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03-27-2013, 12:14 AM
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St. Croix 4g 3a 7 pts in 3 playoff games so far.
There is no in between on this guy. People love or hate him as a prospect. It's going to be very interesting to see how it all turns out for him.

Miller
St Croix
Nieves
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Something pretty good should come out of these center prospects.

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03-27-2013, 12:54 AM
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There is no in between on this guy. People love or hate him as a prospect. It's going to be very interesting to see how it all turns out for him.

Miller
St Croix
Nieves
Linberg

Something pretty good should come out of these center prospects.
St. Croix has the most offensive upside of all those prospects imo. They put him with Legault first game he had 7 points , St. Croix makes players around him better. Cheeks is another example not suprising they are 1 2 3 in playoff scoring

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03-27-2013, 01:19 AM
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Brooks on Fast:

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Swedish winger Jesper Fast flew into New York yesterday and is set to see doctors to take care of his physical either today or tomorrow. He was given permission to come over from the Swedish Ice Hockey Association, and there will be no restrictions on how he can be used. He will not necessarily have to be sent back for the World Championships, taking place in early May.

It’s unlikely Fast be in Ottawa where the Rangers play tomorrow night, and the team will soon decide on his future. The 2010 sixth-round pick is on an entry-level contract that would carry a cap hit of $900,000.

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Get him checked out and send em to CT pronto!

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Get him checked out and send em to CT pronto!
I'd let him practice with the team and see how he handles the NA sized rinks. He has been playing with men so I don't necessarily think the physical side of the game will be a huge issue for him though I do think the NHL is a more grinding game than the SEL. The guy can skate like the wind. He can score. We could use more of both on the bottom two lines. Sit Pyatt, Powe, Newbury at some point. I have like Boyle's game. Newbury has played very well but I don't know how much he can keep it up. My proposed lines in the next week (not considering what wing Fasth plays):

Hagelin-Richards-Nash
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Zuccarello-Richards-Kreider
Fasth-Boyle-Asham

Scratches: Pyatt, Powe, Newbury (One waived, traded, or sent down)

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Makes sense. Fasth is very much on the outside looking in.

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There is no in between on this guy. People love or hate him as a prospect. It's going to be very interesting to see how it all turns out for him.

Miller
St Croix
Nieves
Linberg

Something pretty good should come out of these center prospects.

Something pretty good should happen on the left wing also:

Hagelin
Kreider
Hrivik
Yogan
Bourque (yes, I said Bourque, you know the guy with a terrific shot, great speed, and hustle that just won't quit).

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Saskatoon going out quick down 3 games to none. Can McColgan and Nicholls sign ATO'S with the Whale until they have to report back for the Memorial Cup, or do they just have to sit around until the Cup in mid May?

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Saskatoon going out quick down 3 games to none. Can McColgan and Nicholls sign ATO'S with the Whale until they have to report back for the Memorial Cup, or do they just have to sit around until the Cup in mid May?
They can sign, I'm just not certain McColgan is good enough to crack the Hartford lineup. I wouldn't mind if he played in the ECHL. I think it would be good for him to get an early start on the pro game, and ECHL isn't the worst league. Many players made the NHL from the ECHL. Yogan started the season there and he's been doing great in the AHL now. I think that's how McColgan should look at it: go down there, work your butt off, come up to the AHL and go from there.

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03-27-2013, 03:17 AM
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They can sign, I'm just not certain McColgan is good enough to crack the Hartford lineup. I wouldn't mind if he played in the ECHL. I think it would be good for him to get an early start on the pro game, and ECHL isn't the worst league. Many players made the NHL from the ECHL. Yogan started the season there and he's been doing great in the AHL now. I think that's how McColgan should look at it: go down there, work your butt off, come up to the AHL and go from there.
PTO's don't need to be signed with the sole purpose of physically playing them in games. McIlrath only played two games his first time around. Yogan only played two. Even if we just sign them to a PTO in order to get them to Hartford, meet with the coaching staff and players, spend a week's worth of practice sessions with the team and getting an understanding of how the organization runs things it is worth it.

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McColgan again failed to crack point per game. His best season in the WHL was at the age of 16. Since then he's gotten more or less the same results, maybe a tiny bit worse. That's not great. I wouldn't give him an NHL contract just yet. He can either come and play under an AHL/ECHL contract or he can go back for an overager season in the WHL, though I don't see what good that would do?

I don't see how he beats out Thomas, Segal, Ferriero or Palm, not to mention that it's possible Fasth will play in Hartford if he fails to crack the Rangers.


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McColgan again failed to crack point per game. His best season in the WHL was at the age of 16. Since then he's gotten more or less the same results, maybe a tiny bit worse. That's not great. I wouldn't give him an NHL contract just yet. He can either come and play under an AHL/ECHL contract or he can go back for an overager season in the WHL, though I don't see what good that would do?

I don't see how he beats out Thomas, Segal, Ferriero or Palm, not to mention that it's possible Fasth will play in Hartford if he fails to crack the Rangers.
Come on, man, you know better than to evaluate a guy on a stat line alone. People following the WHL say his all-around play has improved dramatically.

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03-27-2013, 03:58 AM
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Swedish winger Jesper Fast flew into New York yesterday and is set to see doctors to take care of his physical either today or tomorrow. He was given permission to come over from the Swedish Ice Hockey Association, and there will be no restrictions on how he can be used. He will not necessarily have to be sent back for the World Championships, taking place in early May.

Itís unlikely Fast be in Ottawa where the Rangers play tomorrow night, and the team will soon decide on his future. The 2010 sixth-round pick is on an entry-level contract that would carry a cap hit of $900,000.
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Come on, man, you know better than to evaluate a guy on a stat line alone. People following the WHL say his all-around play has improved dramatically.
Problem is that he's pretty small, and he'll need to put up points to be effective. The last Ranger his size who was unable to score at the NHL level, but stuck around was P.J. Stock. He was a spark plug that everyone loved, and yet his NHL career ended after 235 games. And Stock was stonger than McColgan.

The #1 way to evaluate a player is by seeing how much progress he makes. I don't think McColgan made a ton of progress, not nearly as much as most players from the age of 16 to the age of 20.

I don't see how he makes Hartford this year. Maybe if we don't re-sign Ferriero or Segal, he'll have a chance to crack the 4th line, but who knows.


LW
Hrivik
Yogan
Bourque
Mash

C
Noob
Lindberg
Jean
Wiebe

RW
Thomas
Palm
St. Croix
McColgan

Defense
Vernace
Pyett
Parlett
Klassen
McIlrath
Stu
Noreau


It's not impossible that he makes it next year, but he'd have to be capable of playing AHL hockey. I am not saying he can't, but I don't know that he can.


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Honestly, I would much rather give an NHL contract to Klassen than to McColgan. I don't know what else Klassen needs to do to get an NHL deal. He's really good at the AHL level, and I think his game - good defense with a mix of reasonable toughness - would translate well to the NHL. I think if he keeps improving, Klassen could be a good #6 defenseman.

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Come on, man, you know better than to evaluate a guy on a stat line alone. People following the WHL say his all-around play has improved dramatically.
Who are these people?

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Who are these people?
That WHL From Above guy who covers the Blades is one. And he's watched the team more than anyone on this forum. I've seen a few others mention his improved defensive game as well.

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I'd let him practice with the team and see how he handles the NA sized rinks. He has been playing with men so I don't necessarily think the physical side of the game will be a huge issue for him though I do think the NHL is a more grinding game than the SEL. The guy can skate like the wind. He can score. We could use more of both on the bottom two lines. Sit Pyatt, Powe, Newbury at some point. I have like Boyle's game. Newbury has played very well but I don't know how much he can keep it up. My proposed lines in the next week (not considering what wing Fasth plays):

Hagelin-Richards-Nash
Callahan-Miller-Gaborik
Zuccarello-Richards-Kreider
Fasth-Boyle-Asham

Scratches: Pyatt, Powe, Newbury (One waived, traded, or sent down)
What's the point of playing Fasth with Boyle and Asham? Might as well as send him to CT then.

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McColgan plays a style that will translate to any level of competition. He battles in the corners, he has good vision, decent shot, quick to the puck. He looked good in camp 2 years ago because he is quick on the puck ala Brendan Gallagher of the Habs.

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There are a couple of things that are new for Fasth in how we play/Tort's system.

The biggest change is when you go from forechecking to back checking.

In Europe almost without exception, and when playing for many teams in the NHL (but I think they are getting fewer and fewer), you go in on the forecheck and if the puck is reversed, passed D to D or whatever, you fall back and another forward takes over and puts pressure on the new puck holder. But, for Torts& Sullivan, when you when you fall back they -- never -- want you to turn around skating backwards and form a wall in the neutral zone, instead they want you to skate "with" the other team heading up ice. Never skating back wards always skating forward even if it means not facing the puck. The disadvantage is that we do not get those turnovers in the neutral zone that trapping teams lived on and its harder for our D's to step up, on the other hand the advantage is that we always got speed on the back check and can cut down on odd man rushes etc.

Sullivan and Torts are on you instantly if you turn around and skates back wards in the netural zone. Higgins commented on that his first month's in NY.

This will be news for Fasth, and something -- if given a couple of month's -- he could pinn down in the AHL. But if we want to be able to use him right away, playing in the AHL or not won't help him much. And I don't think he would be hurt in any way by playing less etc in the NHL (I mean, he has played a ton in the SEL the last 3 years, he is what 21 y/o etc, its not like keeping Kreider on a 4th).

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There is no in between on this guy. People love or hate him as a prospect.
It's funny you say that because I consider myself in between on him. OHL seasons to me never hold much value.

While the numbers are there to show he's a top prospect for us, OHL numbers can be quite skewed and don't necessarily translate well to pro success. Take Evgeny Grachev for example. He lit it up in the OHL, went to the Whale-Pack and had a tough time with the Rangers organization until he was ultimately traded.

I like him as a prospect, but I'm higher on certain guys such as Nieves, Fasth, Linderg, and McIlrath.

Also, should be noted I've only seen a few clips of him.

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"@KatieStrangESPN: #NYR Jesper Fast is in New York, where he will undergo physical today."

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Me is excited!

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Saskatoon going out quick down 3 games to none. Can McColgan and Nicholls sign ATO'S with the Whale until they have to report back for the Memorial Cup, or do they just have to sit around until the Cup in mid May?
they can't be called up until their junior seasons are over which isnt until after the memorial cup.

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Something pretty good should happen on the left wing also:

Hagelin
Kreider
Hrivik
Yogan
Bourque (yes, I said Bourque, you know the guy with a terrific shot, great speed, and hustle that just won't quit).
Agreed.

I was looking at the Rangers current pivot situation. As we are all aware, up until last night one of the better pivots in the game was a black hole in our line up this season. Part of the inevitable exit plan from Richards is the kids like Miller who will fill in behind him.

Along with the remarkable emergence of Stepan, the fact that Miller has been able to play effectively most nights is very encouraging.

If Richards can pull himself off the analysts couch and salvage his season, marvelous. At this point he's suspect in my mind. He's likely seeing a decline in skill and unless he can adjust, his confidence may again fall off along with his game. I think putting him with Boyle and Kreider may be a very good set up.

So, looking past Richards and seeing the kids we have in the pipe is always nice.

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