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03-27-2013, 07:41 AM
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So you're saying he should be played more?
If we want to expect a 60 pts production.....yes
If we want the Habs to win....no

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This guys is a PP dynamo. I cringe to think what our PP would be like without him or Gionta.

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This guys is a PP dynamo. I cringe to think what our PP would be like without him or Gionta.
He has 4 PPs in 32 games.

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So you're saying he was our best defensive center last year?

http://www.nhl.com/ice/playerstats.h...Name=plusMinus

I'm sure +- no longer applies anymore right? I obviously don't consider him our best defensive center but -2 is that bad? He went up against best player in the world last night and only 1 goal was scored against his dimunitive, one dimensional line.

Let's call it for what it is. DD isn't a stud defensive player, he is less than average as well but he's not the center version of MAB. Guy hustles and battles. At end of the day, some people seem happier with a 6'6 floater than a 5'7 hard worker. It is what it is, he's not a good defensive player but he's not OMG brutal.

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Also, it's actually the Plekanec line that lost possession on the play that led to the Crosby goal. There was a line change as Crosby was crossing the red line (Habs bench behind him) so the -1 from yesterday is a fluke stat. Nothing the DD line could have done on the play.

They did hold their own against Crosby, but they had another crappy game offensively. For 2 weeks now, they're grinding in the O zone (DD and Gally anyways, Pacioretty mainly floats), but while they fight puck battles behind the goal or in the corner, nothing happens in the pay zone. They can't take control of the puck and set up plays.

They better watch some tapes of what made it work in the past - and fast - or the coaching staff will have no choice but start mixing things up. For the moment, though, until Therrrien gets Prust and Bourque back (or at least one of them), line options are limited, so the only other way out is to play the 'hot' players more. And there's no such thing as a hot forward on the roster right now.
They should mix up the lines. I'm okay with Gallagher and Galchenyuk back together again. I'm also okay with them taking Pacioretty with them. I don't mind where DD plays.

As you said, somewhat difficult given the injuries but when bourque and Prust are back it should give us more options.

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If we want to expect a 60 pts production.....yes
If we want the Habs to win....no
So you're saying his current ice time is perfect because habs are generally winning?

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03-27-2013, 08:21 AM
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So you're saying he was our best defensive center last year?
When did I say that? I was simply stating a fact that he has the worst +/- on the team.

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Desharnais doesn't specialize in anything except getting points. Ever since Desharnais signed that contract, he's slowed down and he doesn't even do that.

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David Desharnais is on pace for a 46 point season, which is substantially worse than last year (60 points in 81 games) and only a little better than the 42 point pace he had two years ago, in his rookie season, playing with Darche, Pouliot, etc. He is also -2 in spite of predominantly starting in the offensive zone against defensive specialists who are not good at scoring.

He is having a bad year. Note that Pacioretty has 25 points in 28 games (+3) and Gallagher has 18 points in 28 games (+8) so it's not them.

Sometimes players have bad years. Think Plekanec in 2009. We shouldn't overevaluate -- Desharnais can bounce back by training hard in the summer and playing on Galchenyuk's wing in 2013-2014. In the meantime, Therrien should start limiting his role through the end of this season.
Yes he is having a bad year. And this is what angers me.... on a bad year he gets signed to a four year extension. MB waited for DD to have 3 or 4 good games to get him signed.... it stinks to high hell. Shows me that the Habs are not serious about putting a Stanely Cup team on the ice, just a team which will keep the media happy... same old BS. PISSES ME OFF#$%@*

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Yes he is having a bad year. And this is what angers me.... on a bad year he gets signed to a four year extension. MB waited for DD to have 3 or 4 good games to get him signed.... it stinks to high hell. Shows me that the Habs are not serious about putting a Stanely Cup team on the ice, just a team which will keep the media happy... same old BS. PISSES ME OFF#$%@*
A Stanley Cup team is going to make the media happy.

Stop whining, you sound like a Bruins fan.

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A Stanley Cup team is going to make the media happy.

Stop whining, you sound like a Bruins fan.
You sound like blind faith in Bergevin

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You sound like blind faith in Bergevin
I can see why the thread is called black and white edition

Yes of course, its all a conspiration by Bergevin and Molson. Forget about the massive profits, career boost and personal glory of winning the Stanley Cup. Lets make Michel Bergeron&RDS slightly happy!

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As you said, somewhat difficult given the injuries but when bourque and Prust are back it should give us more options.
IMO this is the biggest downside of DD, he is the least versatile forward on the team. The lineup has to be adjusted to him. I can't see management moving him to wing and putting undersized wingers on his line make it a defensive liability (which wouldn't be an issue if half the top 6 wingers on the team weren't sub-5'9'').

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I can see why the thread is called black and white edition

Yes of course, its all a conspiration by Bergevin and Molson. Forget about the massive profits, career boost and personal glory of winning the Stanley Cup. Lets make Michel Bergeron&RDS slightly happy!
What do you think would happen if we traded Desharnais, Bouillion, dumont away for non-francophone players of equal ability? I think you know the answer. The RDS team and a lot of the city would be enraged.

What conspiracy?

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What do you think would happen if we traded Desharnais, Bouillion, dumont away for non-francophone players of equal ability? I think you know the answer. The RDS team and a lot of the city would be enraged.

What conspiracy?
For equal ability maybe, but thats not what we're talking about.

Desharnais was signed because Bergevin felt he can help the team. End of story. There is no french conspiracy.

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Desharnais doesn't specialize in anything except getting points. Ever since Desharnais signed that contract, he's slowed down and he doesn't even do that.
It's a damn good thing to specialize in.

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Yes he is having a bad year. And this is what angers me.... on a bad year he gets signed to a four year extension. MB waited for DD to have 3 or 4 good games to get him signed.... it stinks to high hell. Shows me that the Habs are not serious about putting a Stanely Cup team on the ice, just a team which will keep the media happy... same old BS. PISSES ME OFF#$%@*
If Desharnais had an even better year keep dreaming about 3.5 per. He got 3.5 per because he wasn't on same pace. If guy was on 60 or more point pace 2 years in a row you think he gets the same? Be reasonable.

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What do you think would happen if we traded Desharnais, Bouillion, dumont away for non-francophone players of equal ability? I think you know the answer. The RDS team and a lot of the city would be enraged.

What conspiracy?
Give me an example of someone with equal ability. I'm not french and hate the french bias and i'll let you know if I find it a fair deal. I'm sure others can do the same.

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Yes he is having a bad year. And this is what angers me.... on a bad year he gets signed to a four year extension. MB waited for DD to have 3 or 4 good games to get him signed.... it stinks to high hell. Shows me that the Habs are not serious about putting a Stanely Cup team on the ice, just a team which will keep the media happy... same old BS. PISSES ME OFF#$%@*
Sorry, but I wouldn't want to be a fan of team who, according to me, indulges in ethno-favoritism.

I'd cheer for another team as soon as possible.

I expect everybody to do the same.

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Quite simply, Desharnais needs to start playing like a top 6 player. Because right now, he isn't one.

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Very mediocre game again. Yikes.

But he got a point and we won. That's good enough for tonight but he really needs to pick it up.

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Very mediocre game again. Yikes.

But he got a point and we won. That's good enough for tonight but he really needs to pick it up.
He and patches really need to be split up. Their chemistry is a myth. TBH I'd put Galchenyuk with Desharnais, that way you've got a good line that can take advantage of bad defensive lines and a bigger one in Patches - Eller - Whoever that can take tougher ES minutes.

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He and patches really need to be split up. Their chemistry is a myth. TBH I'd put Galchenyuk with Desharnais, that way you've got a good line that can take advantage of bad defensive lines and a bigger one in Patches - Eller - Whoever that can take tougher ES minutes.
I'd rather put DDelicious with a grinder and Gio. Keep our bad players with other bad players and don't have them pollute the good ones.

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He and patches really need to be split up.
They are both making lazy plays failing to get the puck deep (leaving transition breaks the other way, and catching our defense on changes), and they're both reaching for pucks/players instead of skating. Desharnais with some pretty conspicuous neutral zone turnovers, too. Bad signs.

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They are both making lazy plays failing to get the puck deep (leaving transition breaks the other way, and catching our defense on changes), and they're both reaching for pucks/players instead of skating. Desharnais with some pretty conspicuous neutral zone turnovers, too. Bad signs.
Hah, nice avy OJ

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Hah, nice avy OJ
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He and patches really need to be split up. Their chemistry is a myth. TBH I'd put Galchenyuk with Desharnais, that way you've got a good line that can take advantage of bad defensive lines and a bigger one in Patches - Eller - Whoever that can take tougher ES minutes.
Their chemistry is not a myth, but sometimes players need to be split up. They begin relying too much on the same things that always worked. They seem like once they struggle, they stop being creative.

They definitely have chemistry but some time apart would do them wonders.

I'd try (once Prust returns);

Pacioretty - Plekanec - Ryder
Galchenyuk - Eller - Gionta
Prust - Desharnais - Gallagher
Moen - Halpern - Armstrong

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I'd rather put DDelicious with a grinder and Gio. Keep our bad players with other bad players and don't have them pollute the good ones.
Gionta with two assists tonight and he is a bad player?

I am all for trading Gionta in the offseason but for a different reason than yours.

Trade Gionta for a winger with size this offseason because he is having a good season. He still has value and we should get a good return for him.

But calling him a bad player is not accurate.

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