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03-26-2013, 11:15 PM
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The Kurse of KQ

Since Trading for KQ --
Wings are 8-2 when he's out of the lineup.
13-31 when he's in.

This does not even factor in how good the Wings were doing when he got here.
Yep, injuries to Lidstrom and Datsyuk, etc....

But 8-2 when he's out. 13-31 when he's in.
(My numbers may be a bit off because I'm tired.


SAT JAN 19, 2013 FINAL:*DET (0)*-*STL (6)
MON JAN 21, 2013 FINAL:*DET (4)*-*CBJ (3) S/O
TUE JAN 22, 2013 FINAL:*DAL (2)*-*DET (1)
FRI JAN 25, 2013 FINAL:*MIN (3)*-*DET (5)
SUN JAN 27, 2013 FINAL:*DET (1)*-*CHI (2) OT
TUE JAN 29, 2013 FINAL:*DAL (1)*-*DET (4)
FRI FEB 1, 2013 FINAL:*STL (3)*-*DET (5)
SAT FEB 2, 2013 FINAL:*DET (2)*-*CBJ (4)
TUE FEB 5, 2013 FINAL:*CGY (4)*-*DET (1)
THU FEB 7, 2013 FINAL:*DET (5)*-*STL (1)
SAT FEB 9, 2013 FINAL:*EDM (1)*-*DET (2)
SUN FEB 10, 2013 FINAL:*LAK (2)*-*DET (3)
WED FEB 13, 2013 FINAL:*STL (4)*-*DET (3) OT
FRI FEB 15, 2013 FINAL:*ANA (5)*-*DET (2)
SUN FEB 17, 2013 FINAL:*DET (2)*-*MIN (3)
TUE FEB 19, 2013 FINAL:*DET (3)*-*NSH (4) OT
THU FEB 21, 2013 FINAL:*CBJ (3)*-*DET (2)
SAT FEB 23, 2013 FINAL:*NSH (0)*-*DET (4) NO KQ
SUN FEB 24, 2013 FINAL:*VAN (3)*-*DET (8) NO KQ
WED FEB 27, 2013 FINAL:*DET (1)*-*LAK (2)
THU FEB 28, 2013 FINAL:*DET (2)*-*SJS (1) S/O
SUN MAR 3, 2013 FINAL:*CHI (2)*-*DET (1) S/O
TUE MAR 5, 2013 FINAL:*COL (1)*-*DET (2)
THU MAR 7, 2013 FINAL:*EDM (0)*-*DET (3)
SAT MAR 9, 2013 FINAL:*DET (0)*-*CBJ (3)
SUN MAR 10, 2013 FINAL:*CBJ (3)*-*DET (2) S/O
WED MAR 13, 2013 FINAL:*DET (2)*-*CGY (5)
FRI MAR 15, 2013 FINAL:*DET (3)*-*EDM (2) OT
SAT MAR 16, 2013 FINAL:*DET (5)*-*VAN (2) NO KQ
WED MAR 20, 2013 FINAL:*MIN (4)*-*DET (2) NO KQ
FRI MAR 22, 2013 FINAL:*DET (5)*-*ANA (1) NO KQ
SUN MAR 24, 2013 FINAL:*DET (2)*-*ANA (1) NO KQ
MON MAR 25, 2013 FINAL:*DET (3)*-*PHX (2) NO KQ
THU FEB 23, 2012 FINAL:*VAN (4)*-*DET (3) S/O
SAT FEB 25, 2012 FINAL:*COL (4)*-*DET (3)
TUE FEB 28, 2012 FINAL:*DET (5)*-*CBJ (2) NO KQ
FRI MAR 2, 2012 FINAL:*MIN (0)*-*DET (6)
SUN MAR 4, 2012 FINAL:*CHI (2)*-*DET (1)
TUE MAR 6, 2012 FINAL:*DET (2)*-*PHI (3)
FRI MAR 9, 2012 FINAL:*LAK (3)*-*DET (4)
SAT MAR 10, 2012 FINAL:*DET (2)*-*NSH (3)
TUE MAR 13, 2012 FINAL:*DET (2)*-*LAK (5)
WED MAR 14, 2012 FINAL:*DET (0)*-*ANA (4)
SAT MAR 17, 2012 FINAL:*DET (2)*-*SJS (3) OT
MON MAR 19, 2012 FINAL:*WSH (5)*-*DET (3)
WED MAR 21, 2012 FINAL:*DET (1)*-*NYR (2) OT
SAT MAR 24, 2012 FINAL:*CAR (4)*-*DET (5)
MON MAR 26, 2012 FINAL:*CBJ (2)*-*DET (7)
WED MAR 28, 2012 FINAL:*DET (2)*-*CBJ (4)
FRI MAR 30, 2012 FINAL:*NSH (4)*-*DET (1) NO KQ
SUN APR 1, 2012 FINAL:*FLA (1)*-*DET (2) S/O
WED APR 4, 2012 FINAL:*DET (3)*-*STL (2) S/O NO KQ
THU APR 5, 2012 FINAL:*NJD (2)*-*DET (1)
SAT APR 7, 2012 FINAL:*CHI (3)*-*DET (2) S/O
WED APR 11, 2012 FINAL:*DET (2)*-*NSH (3)
FRI APR 13, 2012 FINAL:*DET (3)*-*NSH (2)
SUN APR 15, 2012 FINAL:*NSH (3)*-*DET (2)
TUE APR 17, 2012 FINAL:*NSH (3)*-*DET (1)
FRI APR 20, 2012 FINAL:*DET (1)*-*NSH (2)

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Was guessing this was going to come up soon.

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Is it possible that KQ just doesn't have that much of an effect on when we win or lose?

I would like to see the same stats on Helm or Kindl or Miller or whatever

but really its a waste of time, don't do that.

What does your GUT tell you? KQ started this season poorly, has been playing better recently.

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Is it possible that KQ just doesn't have that much of an effect on when we win or lose?

I would like to see the same stats on Helm or Kindl or Miller or whatever

but really its a waste of time, don't do that.

What does your GUT tell you? KQ started this season poorly, has been playing better recently.
My gut tells me he was brutal the first two games. He was told to stop screwing around and go "off the boards and out" and to stop taking penalties, even if he had to stop hitting to do that.

So while he might have been a plus player, he contributed nothing to the offense and he wasn't hard to play against, defensively.

I think Babcock and Holland are going to have some difficult decisions to make when CC and Quincey are healthy, and I don't trust them to make the right decision.

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Well since Quincey seems to have good #'s when he does play, it leads me to the conclusion that he is so damn good that the rest of the Red Wings are trying so hard to be as good as him that they are blowing their assignments leading to losses.

Once they learn that they can't all be as good as Q the win loss record will even out.


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03-27-2013, 12:22 AM
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To add to this wasn't Colorado's best point of last season when he was complaining about not being able to get back in the lineup because they were winning without him?

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Is it possible that KQ just doesn't have that much of an effect on when we win or lose?

I would like to see the same stats on Helm or Kindl or Miller or whatever

but really its a waste of time, don't do that.

What does your GUT tell you? KQ started this season poorly, has been playing better recently.
I saw a graphics on FSD during a game for Helm. It was a significant percentage difference. Helm is a gamechanger. He's in a position to be as well. He PKs well, he provides a ton of jump tithe third line. It just adds strength down the center.

Miller is paid less than a third what Q gets and plays less. He's going to have less impact and that's even expected. Dunno the numbers but that's what I'd expect anyway.

My gut tells me Q is better than he was but that isn't saying much. I thought he was garbage last year and garbage for the beginning of this year. Kindl is better.

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To add to this wasn't Colorado's best point of last season when he was complaining about not being able to get back in the lineup because they were winning without him?
*gasp*

It all makes sense now...

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He was much better before his injury, but as pointed out it was because he simplified his game to the bear minimum. Now that is fine, if you make a million bucks, but he is paid to be a difference maker.

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I think this trade (to re-acquire Quincey after waiving him) will forever taint Holland in my eyes. Ken has done so much good for us, but some of his moves just drive me nutty. This is one of them. KQ is obviously a dime/dozen player, yet he gave up a 1st for him? When we could have kept him and lost Meech for free? Just inexcusable. And in this very thread there are statistics (yes, small sample size) that show how detrimental he is to our line up. Just a really, really aggravating trade. I get that we needed to add a d-man for the future, but why Quincey? And why for a 1st? Bad.

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I think Babcock and Holland are going to have some difficult decisions to make when CC and Quincey are healthy, and I don't trust them to make the right decision.
CC will never be healthy, so that we don't even have to worry about.

If a situation arises when it comes to down Kindl against Quincey, though... yeah. Or even Kindl vs. Lashoff.

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He was much better before his injury, but as pointed out it was because he simplified his game to the bear minimum. Now that is fine, if you make a million bucks, but he is paid to be a difference maker.
Ultimately why I find it so difficult to heap any sort of praise upon him, +/- or not.

He had 2 points in 26 games before going down, and 5 points in 44 games total since being reacquired. If he were on a Kent Huskins contract, okay sure, fine. But he's got fewer points than Lashoff through roughly the same amount of games.

Hard to say what it is for sure, but he just hasn't fit with this team since coming back. I don't know if it's because he's simply not a very good player or what, but there's no one thing he does well; he's just "there".


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CC will never be healthy, so that we don't even have to worry about.

If a situation arises when it comes to down Kindl against Quincey, though... yeah. Or even Kindl vs. Lashoff.
I know people like to make fun of him but CC averages 60+ games a year for the last several. He has missed his standard 20 games and a little more, but nothing in his track record really suggests this is about to happen again this season, even if we are just poking fun.

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Where do these 54 games come from? Is it this and the last season? 13-31 seems quite a lot, it is amazing. If correct then there is no doubt he should not be in the line up.

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I made the same comment as a joke when he went down, but those numbers do show a trend. I'm not a very superstitious person, but it makes you think twice.

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I was *****ing about the trade for Quincey since the trade happened. I've always wished for Q to succeed and I have nothing against him. The problems with Quincey are in the way management dealt with him. I have no faith that they - Holland or anyone else - won't continue to fail with players in similar fashion when they can't throw money at their line-up needs and instead have to rely on drafting and trading.

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Since Trading for KQ --
Wings are 8-2 when he's out of the lineup.
13-31 when he's in.

This does not even factor in how good the Wings were doing when he got here.
Yep, injuries to Lidstrom and Datsyuk, etc....

But 8-2 when he's out. 13-31 when he's in.
(My numbers may be a bit off because I'm tired.


SAT JAN 19, 2013 FINAL:*DET (0)*-*STL (6)
MON JAN 21, 2013 FINAL:*DET (4)*-*CBJ (3) S/O
TUE JAN 22, 2013 FINAL:*DAL (2)*-*DET (1)
FRI JAN 25, 2013 FINAL:*MIN (3)*-*DET (5)
SUN JAN 27, 2013 FINAL:*DET (1)*-*CHI (2) OT
TUE JAN 29, 2013 FINAL:*DAL (1)*-*DET (4)
FRI FEB 1, 2013 FINAL:*STL (3)*-*DET (5)
SAT FEB 2, 2013 FINAL:*DET (2)*-*CBJ (4)
TUE FEB 5, 2013 FINAL:*CGY (4)*-*DET (1)
THU FEB 7, 2013 FINAL:*DET (5)*-*STL (1)
SAT FEB 9, 2013 FINAL:*EDM (1)*-*DET (2)
SUN FEB 10, 2013 FINAL:*LAK (2)*-*DET (3)
WED FEB 13, 2013 FINAL:*STL (4)*-*DET (3) OT
FRI FEB 15, 2013 FINAL:*ANA (5)*-*DET (2)
SUN FEB 17, 2013 FINAL:*DET (2)*-*MIN (3)
TUE FEB 19, 2013 FINAL:*DET (3)*-*NSH (4) OT
THU FEB 21, 2013 FINAL:*CBJ (3)*-*DET (2)
SAT FEB 23, 2013 FINAL:*NSH (0)*-*DET (4) NO KQ
SUN FEB 24, 2013 FINAL:*VAN (3)*-*DET (8) NO KQ
WED FEB 27, 2013 FINAL:*DET (1)*-*LAK (2)
THU FEB 28, 2013 FINAL:*DET (2)*-*SJS (1) S/O
SUN MAR 3, 2013 FINAL:*CHI (2)*-*DET (1) S/O
TUE MAR 5, 2013 FINAL:*COL (1)*-*DET (2)
THU MAR 7, 2013 FINAL:*EDM (0)*-*DET (3)
SAT MAR 9, 2013 FINAL:*DET (0)*-*CBJ (3)
SUN MAR 10, 2013 FINAL:*CBJ (3)*-*DET (2) S/O
WED MAR 13, 2013 FINAL:*DET (2)*-*CGY (5)
FRI MAR 15, 2013 FINAL:*DET (3)*-*EDM (2) OT
SAT MAR 16, 2013 FINAL:*DET (5)*-*VAN (2) NO KQ
WED MAR 20, 2013 FINAL:*MIN (4)*-*DET (2) NO KQ
FRI MAR 22, 2013 FINAL:*DET (5)*-*ANA (1) NO KQ
SUN MAR 24, 2013 FINAL:*DET (2)*-*ANA (1) NO KQ
MON MAR 25, 2013 FINAL:*DET (3)*-*PHX (2) NO KQ
THU FEB 23, 2012 FINAL:*VAN (4)*-*DET (3) S/O
SAT FEB 25, 2012 FINAL:*COL (4)*-*DET (3)
TUE FEB 28, 2012 FINAL:*DET (5)*-*CBJ (2) NO KQ
FRI MAR 2, 2012 FINAL:*MIN (0)*-*DET (6)
SUN MAR 4, 2012 FINAL:*CHI (2)*-*DET (1)
TUE MAR 6, 2012 FINAL:*DET (2)*-*PHI (3)
FRI MAR 9, 2012 FINAL:*LAK (3)*-*DET (4)
SAT MAR 10, 2012 FINAL:*DET (2)*-*NSH (3)
TUE MAR 13, 2012 FINAL:*DET (2)*-*LAK (5)
WED MAR 14, 2012 FINAL:*DET (0)*-*ANA (4)
SAT MAR 17, 2012 FINAL:*DET (2)*-*SJS (3) OT
MON MAR 19, 2012 FINAL:*WSH (5)*-*DET (3)
WED MAR 21, 2012 FINAL:*DET (1)*-*NYR (2) OT
SAT MAR 24, 2012 FINAL:*CAR (4)*-*DET (5)
MON MAR 26, 2012 FINAL:*CBJ (2)*-*DET (7)
WED MAR 28, 2012 FINAL:*DET (2)*-*CBJ (4)
FRI MAR 30, 2012 FINAL:*NSH (4)*-*DET (1) NO KQ
SUN APR 1, 2012 FINAL:*FLA (1)*-*DET (2) S/O
WED APR 4, 2012 FINAL:*DET (3)*-*STL (2) S/O NO KQ
THU APR 5, 2012 FINAL:*NJD (2)*-*DET (1)
SAT APR 7, 2012 FINAL:*CHI (3)*-*DET (2) S/O
WED APR 11, 2012 FINAL:*DET (2)*-*NSH (3)
FRI APR 13, 2012 FINAL:*DET (3)*-*NSH (2)
SUN APR 15, 2012 FINAL:*NSH (3)*-*DET (2)
TUE APR 17, 2012 FINAL:*NSH (3)*-*DET (1)
FRI APR 20, 2012 FINAL:*DET (1)*-*NSH (2)
I'm right there with you. Aren't you glad we burned a first round pick and close to $4 million a year on him?

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Vasilevskiy is probably bust anyway, or Määttä and Laughton too.

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I think this trade (to re-acquire Quincey after waiving him) will forever taint Holland in my eyes. Ken has done so much good for us, but some of his moves just drive me nutty. This is one of them. KQ is obviously a dime/dozen player, yet he gave up a 1st for him? When we could have kept him and lost Meech for free? Just inexcusable. And in this very thread there are statistics (yes, small sample size) that show how detrimental he is to our line up. Just a really, really aggravating trade. I get that we needed to add a d-man for the future, but why Quincey? And why for a 1st? Bad.
Eternal, I applaud you for having the intellectual honesty to admit as much. Most fans cannot objectively evaluate Q because they are pissed that they gave up a first round pick to get back a defensemen they could have had for free all along. Sure he is overpaid, but in this day and age, Kenny can't even spend to the cap if he wanted to.

Q is fine for the short-term and really won't have much impact on the success of this team. I think White has more trade value at this point and should be moved at the deadline.

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Q if fine for as long as he can play-- as a 4/5 defenseman.


Holland realized he screwed up back when he first waived the guy, gave up a first because he had not other options, seeing no UFA actually wants to come to Detroit of his own free will any longer. THAT is what fans are pissed about, but sure, go ahead and make Q the scapegoat for crappy coaching and GM'ing gone to pot after Scotty left.

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I made the same comment as a joke when he went down, but those numbers do show a trend. I'm not a very superstitious person, but it makes you think twice.

Then think a third time, PP. Talk about ignoring the forest for the trees.

There is a trend, but there is no correlation to Q.

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Q if fine for as long as he can play-- as a 4/5 defenseman.


Holland realized he screwed up back when he first waived the guy, gave up a first because he had not other options, seeing no UFA actually wants to come to Detroit of his own free will any longer. THAT is what fans are pissed about, but sure, go ahead and make Q the scapegoat for crappy coaching and GM'ing gone to pot after Scotty left.
This isn't about making the KQ the scapegoat.

Holland brought him back, anyway.

It's about what we do when everyone is healthy.
Now, I'll take KQ over Lashoff, I think.
But what about KQ over CC?

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In all honestly, a lot of the poor record has to do with the end of last season and the playoffs.

But my question is, why are we 8-2 when he's out?

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Hey boys, I basically joined just to share this comment I made on a Bleacher Report article. Yah, I know B/R; I'm one of those guys. But I've been lurking these forums for years, and just have never registered. I appreciated the humor of a lot of the posters nihilism here. Anyways this is from ten days ago and doesn't include the current 3 game win streak, so it may be even more inclined towards the Wings being better without Q.





Sorry, but Kyle Quincey is not vital to the Wings at all. I've actually done some research to prove my point. As some other people have pointed out the Wings are quite a bit better when he doesn't play.

Prior to the Quincey trade in 2012 the Wings were an impressive 41-18-2.

Then, all hell broke loose when Holland opened up a time warp by trading for Quincey.

Including the playoffs the Wings would go on to finish their 2012 campaign (including playoffs) with a record of...wait for it, 7(2 Shootout Ws)- 14-4.

The disappointing playoff exit wouldn't change this trend. So far in 2013 the Wings are 11(2 Shootout Ws)-10-5 when Quincey plays.

Since acquiring Quincey the Wings are 17(4 Shootout Ws)-24-8. This is a win percentage of 34.

When Quincey is NOT in the lineup since 2011-12 the Wings have an amazing record of 44-19-2 for a win percentage of 68.

I'm not a math wizard... BUT this seems to imply that the team is twice as good when Quincey is NOT in the line up.

So I'm not sure this stud dman is all that vital to a team, unless we're gunning for the number one draft pick. (For reference last seasons worst team was the Bluejackets who had a win percentage of 35.)

Also, when the Wings got Quincey back (from the TB/COL swap) that a lot of things changed. Home winning streak ended. Lidstrom got hurt. For whatever reason the Wings took of their memorial patch for Lokomotiv. Ever since trading for him there has been some bad juju going with this team.

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This isn't about making the KQ the scapegoat.

Holland brought him back, anyway.

It's about what we do when everyone is healthy.
Now, I'll take KQ over Lashoff, I think.
But what about KQ over CC?
I will take KQ over CC, no hesitation whatsoever.


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In all honestly, a lot of the poor record has to do with the end of last season and the playoffs.

But my question is, why are we 8-2 when he's out?

Where your analysis, mathematically speaking, falls apart is in considering the REASON Holland felt it was necessary to make that trade in the first place.

Moreover I honestly think some of the more important reasons for the Wings continued decline (beyond the natural decay from turnover and loss/aging of ELITE players) is that someone like Helm has been missing. I'd be interested to see a similar analysis (despite its limitations) with Helm as the central point.

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Hey boys, I basically joined just to share this comment I made on a Bleacher Report article. Yah, I know B/R; I'm one of those guys. But I've been lurking these forums for years, and just have never registered. I appreciated the humor of a lot of the posters nihilism here. Anyways this is from ten days ago and doesn't include the current 3 game win streak, so it may be even more inclined towards the Wings being better without Q.





Sorry, but Kyle Quincey is not vital to the Wings at all. I've actually done some research to prove my point. As some other people have pointed out the Wings are quite a bit better when he doesn't play.

Prior to the Quincey trade in 2012 the Wings were an impressive 41-18-2.

Then, all hell broke loose when Holland opened up a time warp by trading for Quincey.

Including the playoffs the Wings would go on to finish their 2012 campaign (including playoffs) with a record of...wait for it, 7(2 Shootout Ws)- 14-4.

The disappointing playoff exit wouldn't change this trend. So far in 2013 the Wings are 11(2 Shootout Ws)-10-5 when Quincey plays.

Since acquiring Quincey the Wings are 17(4 Shootout Ws)-24-8. This is a win percentage of 34.

When Quincey is NOT in the lineup since 2011-12 the Wings have an amazing record of 44-19-2 for a win percentage of 68.

I'm not a math wizard... BUT this seems to imply that the team is twice as good when Quincey is NOT in the line up.

So I'm not sure this stud dman is all that vital to a team, unless we're gunning for the number one draft pick. (For reference last seasons worst team was the Bluejackets who had a win percentage of 35.)

Also, when the Wings got Quincey back (from the TB/COL swap) that a lot of things changed. Home winning streak ended. Lidstrom got hurt. For whatever reason the Wings took of their memorial patch for Lokomotiv. Ever since trading for him there has been some bad juju going with this team.
No offense, but correlation and causation are not the same things. I would encourage you to look at the team's man games lost to injury over the same respective periods.

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