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Is the NHLPA middle class about to get crushed, as some predicted?

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03-27-2013, 10:18 AM
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Teams might split into teams with great 1st lines and nothing vs teams with great depth based on value for money players.
All it'll take is one or 2 teams with 3 or 4 "2nd lines" riding roughshod over the one-line-wonders, and GM's around the league will change their strategy. This is not the 1970's or 1980's. Today's "2nd line" players are better overall. An Orr or Gretzky won't walk all over the record books again.

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Interesting angle.
What happened in the NFL is that the star players and the free agents cashed in, and due to the lack of guaranteed contracts, a lot of guys playing for well under what they'd get in free agency. Nearly every drafted player made their team's roster because of simple economics. But this also meant that a guy had about one or two years to develop or else he'd be cut and never heard from again.

In the NHL, we'll end up seeing a similar type of thing. Players on ELCs and AHL veterans will fill the bottom line or two, and at least three of seven or eight spots on the blueline. So what will happen is that there will be free agents on the street who are actual 2nd- and 3rd-line players, with the occasional 1st-liner. There'll be 2nd- and 3rd-pairing defensemen, and multiple starting goalies. And when that amount of actual NHL talent exists outside of the league itself, it makes expansion viable.

Hell, look at what Florida and Anaheim were able to do in their first year simply because of a less punitive expansion draft, and that was in an era when the UFA age was 31 and signing RFAs meant that an arbitrator would decide compensation (which could include roster players).

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In the NHL, we'll end up seeing a similar type of thing. Players on ELCs and AHL veterans will fill the bottom line or two, and at least three of seven or eight spots on the blueline. So what will happen is that there will be free agents on the street who are actual 2nd- and 3rd-line players, with the occasional 1st-liner. There'll be 2nd- and 3rd-pairing defensemen, and multiple starting goalies. And when that amount of actual NHL talent exists outside of the league itself, it makes expansion viable.
... expansion perhaps, but so too transmigration, guys heading to Europe, the KHL to play out their careers, strengthening & bolstering that league further. The rancorous CBA negotiations & Lockout as we know was as much about lowering the players %'s as it was short term in getting rid of non-performing contracts, getting rid of the dead wood, app 240 players gone from the NHL thus far who in 2011-12 had NHL Contracts & were playing in the league. More than double annual attrition levels. Lowering the boom on the players pretty much from the 2nd line & 2nd defensive pairings on back per team.

What we'll be seeing is higher turnover of player personnel with younger & cheaper talent inbound at 19-21, outbound & gone by 24-25 when teams find themselves up against the Cap in paying the top 5 on the team plus the #1 goaltender about 65% of it. As the majority of players arriving in the NHL are works in progress as it is, with even higher turnover what the Hell do you think thats going to do to the product on the ice even without Expansion being considered? Crazy White Rich Guy still gonna over-pay, GM's facilitate, expedite, keeps job. A league of three or four high end performers per team, the rest all fillers with revolving doors in the dressing rooms speeded up, full revolution & voila, Puckchenko. Is that hockey? Not in my book. System, models broken, busted, no vision, eff'd.

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no one will lose out on money only on term

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... expansion perhaps, but so too transmigration, guys heading to Europe, the KHL to play out their careers, strengthening & bolstering that league further. The rancorous CBA negotiations & Lockout as we know was as much about lowering the players %'s as it was short term in getting rid of non-performing contracts, getting rid of the dead wood, app 240 players gone from the NHL thus far who in 2011-12 had NHL Contracts & were playing in the league. More than double annual attrition levels. Lowering the boom on the players pretty much from the 2nd line & 2nd defensive pairings on back per team.

What we'll be seeing is higher turnover of player personnel with younger & cheaper talent inbound at 19-21, outbound & gone by 24-25 when teams find themselves up against the Cap in paying the top 5 on the team plus the #1 goaltender about 65% of it. As the majority of players arriving in the NHL are works in progress as it is, with even higher turnover what the Hell do you think thats going to do to the product on the ice even without Expansion being considered? Crazy White Rich Guy still gonna over-pay, GM's facilitate, expedite, keeps job. A league of three or four high end performers per team, the rest all fillers with revolving doors in the dressing rooms speeded up, full revolution & voila, Puckchenko. Is that hockey? Not in my book. System, models broken, busted, no vision, eff'd.
i hate to say it but the khl could be the best thing to happen to american hockey. what we need to manage a competitive leagues system is jobs for jobbers. ncaa players do very well against guys who will spend thier lives as middle office professionals. if the "low end" of hockey becomes a viable career choice then we could see less migration. there arent really "pro ball players" like that for most american markets and i think that solution has to come from the top down. i think it would take a few changes in how drafting works and obviously expanding the number of contracts but a willingness to let the game and not just the players to develop is crucial

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