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03-27-2013, 12:22 PM
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Hey, while you're looking in that crystal ball, would you mind telling me whether Myers rebounds and how Grigs pans out?

Myers does rebound...but not to everyones absurd expectations.

I will need to see more of Grigs before I give any opinion on him.

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03-27-2013, 12:23 PM
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For what's he done on a bad team as a 23 year old, I'm excited for the future with Hodgson.

Should be excited.

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03-27-2013, 12:25 PM
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Of course I don't know for sure. That is just my prediction from watching him..or both of them.

Both will be good pieces..but. I don't see #1 in either.
Prediction ok ... Got it.

Right now, if they both plateau and don't develop... Your right, neither are long term #1 centers. I am optimistic about both developing to be better players. They have the talent. They just need time and development. With experience they should progress nicely.

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03-27-2013, 12:44 PM
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Not really, it's pretty easy to see they aren't the athletes that the top guys are.

which top guys? When you say "athlete" what are you specifically referring to? just to avoid confusion.

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03-27-2013, 12:57 PM
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which top guys? When you say "athlete" what are you specifically referring to? just to avoid confusion.
Crosby, Malkin, Toews, Stamkos, etc. The elite centers in this league. Even guys who are past their primes, Thornton, Iginla, Lecavalier; elite athletes.

PS - I know Iginla is not a center, before you take that tact.

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03-27-2013, 12:59 PM
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I agree. The raw athleticism to be true #1 centers isn't there.
Could you tell me at which point Joe Thornton displayed "raw athleticism?" Most would agree he was/is a bona fide 1C.

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Myers does rebound...but not to everyones absurd expectations.

I will need to see more of Grigs before I give any opinion on him.
Nearly every poster predicted Myers absurd ceiling followed by a ridiculous 12 mil contract by the ownership. He can not continue to play at 5-6 pairing quality and paid a cornerstone salary without pressure.

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03-27-2013, 01:03 PM
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Could you tell me at which point Joe Thornton displayed "raw athleticism?" Most would agree he was/is a bona fide 1C.
6'4", strength, coordination. How do you not see him as an elite athlete?

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03-27-2013, 01:12 PM
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Nearly every poster predicted Myers absurd ceiling followed by a ridiculous 12 mil contract by the ownership. He can not continue to play at 5-6 pairing quality and paid a cornerstone salary without pressure.
You're not one to let facts get in the way of everybody seeing how totally right you are, huh?

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03-27-2013, 01:14 PM
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6'4", strength, coordination. How do you not see him as an elite athlete?
Height? I guess Myers should be an elite athlete, too.

You don't think Hodgson is coordinated? You're trying to move the goal posts. I understand you won't give Hodgson a fair shake, and it's futile to argue with you over matters concerning Hodgson or Ennis. You're now attempting to argue a 1C needs "raw athleticism." Whichever player I mention, you'll just mention his best trait and say Hodgson's same trait isn't as good as that player.

Patrice Bergeron - "Oh, a better skater..."

Jason Spezza - "Oh, he's taller and more coordinated..."

Adam Oates - "Oh, it was a different era..."

Brad Richards - "Oh, better skater...and nicer hair"

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03-27-2013, 01:16 PM
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Height? I guess Myers should be an elite athlete, too.

You don't think Hodgson is coordinated? You're trying to move the goal posts. I understand you won't give Hodgson a fair shake, and it's futile to argue with you over matters concerning Hodgson or Ennis. You're now attempting to argue a 1C needs "raw athleticism." Whichever player I mention, you'll just mention his best trait and say Hodgson's same trait isn't as good as that player.

Patrice Bergeron - "Oh, a better skater..."

Jason Spezza - "Oh, he's taller and more coordinated..."
Myers is an elite athlete...

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03-27-2013, 01:18 PM
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Myers is an elite athlete...
To the extent they're all in the NHL, pretty much every guy is an elite athlete. But, applying your criteria above, he is probably one of the least coordinated players in the NHL, and, thus, not an elite athlete.

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To the extent they're all in the NHL, pretty much every guy is an elite athlete. But, applying your criteria above, he is probably one of the least coordinated players in the NHL, and, thus, not an elite athlete.
Myers can skate the way he does, yet you call him uncoordinated? Ok....

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03-27-2013, 01:27 PM
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Myers can skate the way he does, yet you call him uncoordinated? Ok....
Wow, he has a long stride. On many nights, he also looks like Bambi on skates after taking quaaludes. This idea that Myers is this freakish athlete is one of the most perpetuated myths surrounding this team and right up there with opponents always saying we're a fast team with quick forwards.

You're attempting to derail the thread because you know there a ton of 1C's who are roughly as athletic as Hodgson, or less so. Also, could you define "raw athleticism" for all of us, or would that mean you'd actually have to take a position rather than attempting to move goalposts and poke holes in others' comments?

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03-27-2013, 01:33 PM
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Crosby, Malkin, Toews, Stamkos, etc. The elite centers in this league. Even guys who are past their primes, Thornton, Iginla, Lecavalier; elite athletes.

PS - I know Iginla is not a center, before you take that tact.
so when you say athletes, you just mean hockey players... not "athletes" simply in terms of conditioning, agility, speed, etc.

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03-27-2013, 01:34 PM
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Could you tell me at which point Joe Thornton displayed "raw athleticism?" Most would agree he was/is a bona fide 1C.
I was going to say the same thing....
(include Lecavalier too)

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Wow, he has a long stride. On many nights, he also looks like Bambi on skates after taking quaaludes. This idea that Myers is this freakish athlete is one of the most perpetuated myths surrounding this team and right up there with opponents always saying we're a fast team with quick forwards.

You're attempting to derail the thread because you know there a ton of 1C's who are roughly as athletic as Hodgson, or less so. Also, could you define "raw athleticism" for all of us, or would that mean you'd actually have to take a position rather than attempting to move goalposts and poke holes in others' comments?
I don't know the definition of pornography, but I know it when I see it. Same rule applies here. If you think CoHo is a great athlete and that Myers isn't, well, we're just going to have to disagree on what an athlete looks like. Little and slow doesn't scream "athlete" to me.

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03-27-2013, 01:37 PM
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Wow, he has a long stride. On many nights, he also looks like Bambi on skates after taking quaaludes. This idea that Myers is this freakish athlete is one of the most perpetuated myths surrounding this team and right up there with opponents always saying we're a fast team with quick forwards.

You're attempting to derail the thread because you know there a ton of 1C's who are roughly as athletic as Hodgson, or less so. Also, could you define "raw athleticism" for all of us, or would that mean you'd actually have to take a position rather than attempting to move goalposts and poke holes in others' comments?
funniest thing i read in weeks

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03-27-2013, 02:00 PM
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Myers does rebound...but not to everyones absurd expectations.

I will need to see more of Grigs before I give any opinion on him.
Nearly every poster predicted Myers absurd ceiling followed by a ridiculous 12 mil contract by the ownership. He can not continue to play at 5-6 pairing quality and paid a cornerstone salary without pressure.

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03-27-2013, 02:09 PM
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Nearly every poster predicted Myers absurd ceiling followed by a ridiculous 12 mil contract by the ownership. He can not continue to play at 5-6 pairing quality and paid a cornerstone salary without pressure.
I would argue that Mike Weber(a 5-6 D-man) is playing better than Myers. You're not only exaggerating his contract(use cap hit), but his play as well.

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I don't know the definition of pornography, but I know it when I see it. Same rule applies here. If you think CoHo is a great athlete and that Myers isn't, well, we're just going to have to disagree on what an athlete looks like. Little and slow doesn't scream "athlete" to me.
6ft tall and weighing 195lbs is little?

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6ft tall and weighing 195lbs is little?
He could probably drag tractor tires up and down your street all day long as well.

I don't want to be quoted here, because I don't have the greatest memory, but I think when Stammers was drafted he was pretty scrawny weight wise.

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Hodgson is leading all sophomores in scoring too.

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6ft tall and weighing 195lbs is little?
He's not slow, either. You can see that the work he has put in is continuing to pay off.

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He could probably drag tractor tires up and down your street all day long as well.

I don't want to be quoted here, because I don't have the greatest memory, but I think when Stammers was drafted he was pretty scrawny weight wise.
Stammer off-season work out is crazy right? Possibly with Gary Roberts? It sounds right...

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