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08-10-2006, 08:39 AM
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I was actually surprised by Bergeron as if he never intended to say that all Europeans, all Russians are no good but mainly that's in a case by case situation. But besides that, and if you hear the final phrase that was said at the end of this ''overtime'', when Villeneuve, trying to have the final word, said something like '' Finally the Russians ain't that bad.....'' Bergeron said ''Quebecers ain't that bad either".

I don't believe the guy never had anything AGAINST Europeans but mainly FOR local guys. Doesn't make him the brightest guy, 'cause he doesn't seem to care if those guys are good are not, but doesn't make him the racist hater some thinks he is......One of the his key guys during his coaching career was Stastny, so that would make him the dumbest guy on earth to diss Europeans....And even admitted, by chance, that you need those talented players in your team.

But again, it should never come to this. We should be AGAINST poor players and all FOR great ones.......

I actually find as well that this was one of the most ''intelligent'' show as of yet, though that's not really hard.... , that guy that was there yesterday had great opinions on myths about Russians and Europeans, and it's pretty rare to hear such analysis on that show. And then Bergeron took that ''case by case'' opinion that did suprise me a little.....

But in the end, guys, again, this is just a show, a spectacle, good or bad, you're all old enough to draw your own conclusion.....

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08-10-2006, 08:45 AM
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All cultures were ***** and pillaged in the past. Try being a Scottish highlander in the 17-18 century. Anyone know Gaelic? All cultures change. We are all asimilated into being Americans anyway, as they are changed by us. Its a Global village.
Where I live,not knowing some Gaelic is a capital crime. Some pillage,some get pillaged, it's not a fair world.

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08-10-2006, 08:46 AM
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Start by pretending an isolated incident (Cherry-boy made a comment about "french guys") and ramp up to increadible generalization ("If the french people don't like comment like that" The french people? All of us?).

Of course, finish this tour de force of reasoning by simplistic and low level consequence ("... shut up and take what you get").

Yeah, I'd say that type of argumentation is going to further the discussion a lot.



Last time I cared to listen to cherry boy, his comments weren't that far off from select 110% contributors. I simply don't listen to it and I don't talk about it. I don't care.

Most of us "french people" simply put him on snooze.

I suggest you do the same. We can't stop idiocy in the world, I can't stop select idiots from the Rest-Of-Canada from bashing "the french people" (as you say).

I can only give my humble opinion in these kind of discussion.

And guess what? I sleep well at night.

And yes, there is talk in the media when Cherry-boy reaches the stratosphere of stupidity.

I can only guess that it would be the same in ROC's media if a few more people cared enough to learn french.

*Ahem*

(see? we're into politics again! lol)
Listen, I don't have a problem with any french people or anybody for that matter. I used the term "french people" because that was the line that was used in the comment I was talking about. I was simply stating that if you don't like someone saying negative things about your nationality or ethnicity, then don't go and do the same thing towards others. (IE. 110% about Russians)

PERIOD!!!


Don Cherry should have been kicked off the air years ago for being an ignorant idiot and for making remarks about the way people play, their nationality, wearing visors or whatever. I'm not a fan of Cherry since he jumped ship on being a Bruins fan to praise the almighty Maple Leafs. He was great about 10 years ago when he was a Bruins fan and just told it like it is, now he makes assumptions and talks about things he has no clue about.

So don't go and make this a personal attack on me,....because I could care less what language people speak or where they are from.

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08-10-2006, 08:47 AM
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French people are so sensitive.
EXTREMELY!!

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English people are so sensitive.

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English people are so sensitive.
EXTREMELY!!

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08-10-2006, 08:52 AM
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I think it should be more than "If you don't like it, turn it off". I will admit that I've never, not once, watched the show (I don't even know what channel it's on, I don't know anything about the channels that come before 10 except chan 3). But going by what gets posted here, this crap makes me sick. How is a show like this allowed to exist on the air?

Entertainment? Is it entertainment if I were to start a show making stereotypes of Blacks and Jews? Or Quebecers? That's entertainment to you? If I want to be entertained, I'll watch sports, or a comedy, or even a drama. I don't watch bigots and racists that make comments under the guise of "it's just senile old men and it's entertaining".

It shouldn't be "turn it off if you don't like it". That kind of crap shouldn't be on in the first place.

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I watch them. I like debate.

I used to watch "Politically incorrect" quite frequently. Bill Maher would often say these inane things to start incidents and they would always get these right wing republicans (the Ann Coulter type) to discuss about far fetched concepts.

Of course, there would be democrats, artists and comedians to balance things out.

Sometimes you just like to hear a discussion. You don't have to agree to everything they say... nobody's asking you to join a political party here.

Do they offend you? Well, I suggest that you occupy your time with more productive activities.

I mean, you are only giving them the spotlight by starting threads like these.

And I think you'd be hard pressed to find someone who agrees to everything they are saying here so its a moot point...
IIRC, wasn't that show taken off the air after they went too far?

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He only said Markov couldnt speak english very well after 5 years played with the Habs... Nothing wrong here, they are saying the truth.. Markov has some special adjustment troubles.
Markov can speak English. I've met him before at training camp and stuff and he was able to carry on a conversation well enough. Very shy, very timid but he can speak English well enough to play hockey.

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guys, you have to understand that those guys have no education...

they have no credibility at all... they don't even know who the prospects are and prolly think that rds is the only hockey channel available! can't believe that Bergeron and Perron were coaches in the NHL...nowadays, even the peewee coaches are more knowledgeable than those guys.
Then why are they on TV? Why not put some educated people on who actually know hockey? I don't think that's a valid excuse.

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I`ve always seen the show as going to the pub with your buddies, drinking and shooting stuff outthere about nothing and everything.
If I said anything like that in public, my friends would beat the crap out of me and I think some of the other patrons might join in.

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You seem to assume that individulas speak for the masses. A jerk is a jerk, speaking for themselves, they aren't spokespeople.
Then why the uproar with Sean Avery? And Don Cherry?

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08-10-2006, 08:58 AM
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I can't speak for the uproar, but Avery offends me as a semi human. I don't like his act and I say so. Cherry is Cherry, there will always be a market for the lowest common denominator, I will flip his act on during an intermission, if the dogs have water,have been let out, and I don't rise from the chair,not always but my wife usually has a decorating show on the other channel. When he ventures into something stupid, or gets misty eyed, I flee.

Also, sure Dave, you never watch the show waiting for porn, uh huh, sure. You must have an extensive private collection.

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08-10-2006, 09:03 AM
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I can't speak for the uproar, but Avery offends me as a semi human. I don't like his act and I say so. Cherry is Cherry, there will always be a market for the lowest common denominator, I will flip his act on during an intermission, if the dogs have water,have been let out, and I don't rise from the chair,not always but my wife usually has a decorating show on the other channel. When he ventures into something stupid, or gets misty eyed, I flee.

Also, sure Dave, you never watch the show waiting for porn, uh huh, sure. You must have an extensive private collection.
HAHAHAHAHA....waitin for porn!! AWESOME.
Sean Avery should be shot!! He's a rat of a hockey player and a coward. He isn't a good enough person to deserve to play in a league of this stature!

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08-10-2006, 09:06 AM
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Also, sure Dave, you never watch the show waiting for porn, uh huh, sure. You must have an extensive private collection.
Oh you know it.

Actually funny enough, I got a virus on my computer that for some reason, deleted all my porno and nothing else. I was pretty pissed, obviously.

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08-10-2006, 09:14 AM
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Oh you know it.

Actually funny enough, I got a virus on my computer that for some reason, deleted all my porno and nothing else. I was pretty pissed, obviously.
That wasn't a virus, it was your girlfriend or your mother doing a little cleaning.

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That wasn't a virus, it was your girlfriend or your mother doing a little cleaning.
Impossible! I hid it very well by putting my porno folder in my school folder under the name "COMM 669"

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Impossible! I hid it very well by putting my porno folder in my school folder under the name "COMM 669"
A simple search for *.MPG or *.AVI or *.MOV or *.jpg would reveal all your porn secrets.

Viruses and malware etc... don't generally wipe out porn, they make sure you download more of it by redirecting your browser etc..

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A simple search for *.MPG or *.AVI or *.MOV or *.jpg would reveal all your porn secrets.

Viruses and malware etc... don't generally wipe out porn, they make sure you download more of it by redirecting your browser etc..
Well technically it deleted my entire "downloads" folder...which happened to be all porno.

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That wasn't a virus, it was your girlfriend or your mother doing a little cleaning.
lol you beat me to it.

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Well technically it deleted my entire "downloads" folder...which happened to be all porno.
I bet that made ALOT of room on your HD.

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I bet that made ALOT of room on your HD.
Not THAT much...20 gigs or so!

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Why the hell do you ahve to bring out that lord durham crap? People say that kind of crap about us so it makes it ok for us to use the same kind of ignorance in our comments towards other cultures?

They call the russians soft. They should read a bit about the battle of stalingrad.
Or try the game Call of Duty 2...

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Subject was: Myths around russian players.

Man, if 1/100th of what was said tonight about russians was said about Québecois in english Canada.. there would be a civil war in Canada. Stuff like; Ovechkin has all of a North American, I'm sure that in couple of years he'll have blond hairstyles and will leave all of his russian side in the past

How dumb can a person be to say stuff like that???? Comments that make russians look like a retarded people that don't know what shampoo and soap is... anyone could tell them that Russia has one of the highest % of U graduates and the highest % of alphabetism in the world...

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How dumb can a person be to listen to stuff like that????

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I think it should be more than "If you don't like it, turn it off". I will admit that I've never, not once, watched the show (I don't even know what channel it's on, I don't know anything about the channels that come before 10 except chan 3). But going by what gets posted here, this crap makes me sick. How is a show like this allowed to exist on the air?
I understand where you are comming from but its never as bad as critics make it on the board. Its not as if they go on the air with topics like "Today, Swedes are lazy". There are different topics, stupid things are sometimes said, intersting things are sometimes said. Same thing as on Cherry.

If indeed, the contributors would be as bad as they are made out to be, the show would take the same road as Quebec City's shock radio show (CHOIX FM? I think that was it) and CRTC would close it down. Trust me, the main topic is usually hockey, albeit with a sensationalist slant. I agree it seems to be an editorial decision as there are no efforts made to put a decent moderator in place.

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Entertainment? Is it entertainment if I were to start a show making stereotypes of Blacks and Jews? Or Quebecers? That's entertainment to you? If I want to be entertained, I'll watch sports, or a comedy, or even a drama. I don't watch bigots and racists that make comments under the guise of "it's just senile old men and it's entertaining".
Its not a guise. If I want to listen to racist content, there must be other avenues to turn to. I don't deny stereotypes are sometimes presented. Some of their guest are from a jock culture, other are the sensationalist journalists. Some are decent commentators. Its a mixed bag.

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It shouldn't be "turn it off if you don't like it". That kind of crap shouldn't be on in the first place.
What do you want me to say, turn this discussion into a topic about cultural differentiation, cultural icons, the role of discrimination, basic human psychology, habitual misconceptions about human perception? You want to talk about halo effect? You want my opinion about stereotypes that exists between the south shore of montreal and the island? Between Quebec and Montreal? Between Ontario and Quebec? Between Canada and the USA? Africans and Antillans? About England vs France? Europe vs America? Occident and Orient? You want me to explain why I consider that everyone judge their bretheren, that discrimination is a basic part of cognitive selection and that we have to be carefull not to paint with too broad a brush lest we commit the same mistakes ourselves? About the effect of parents on children and the importance of role models?

How should I approach that topic without going too far?

Why is it so that lynching mobs constantly appear on this board, ready to start burning down TQS studio? Its always the same pattern.

Saksrocks: "Bergeron said that Finnish players are puck hogs!"

LordGainey: "Those damn 110% commentators"

Pucknroll: "What a bunch of imbeciles!"

Saksrocks: "Why are the french media so biased"

Pucksandroll: "No wonder no one wants to come to montreal"

LordGainey: "Those french ********"

BouBouBouillon!: "Hey! I'm french too! You shouldn't say that!"

LordGainey: "Then why do you always complain?"

BouBouBouillon!: "We are not the one who are complaining!"

... forward a dozens of threads...

Residentpuckorian: "Its Lord Durham's fault in the 18th century!"

Moderator coming in:

GOD: "Ok, closing it down, nothing to see here"

What's my answer to that? If you don't like it, don't watch it!

That's just the best I can do.

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IIRC, wasn't that show taken off the air after they went too far?
Yep. It was a delibarate provocation by Bill Maher and he lost. I think he said "One thing is sure: its take cohones to pilot an airplane into a skyscraper". I think his show is on HBO now. Anyways, I don't get it anymore.

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so like, when does this clusterf**k get closed down?

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I think it should be more than "If you don't like it, turn it off". I will admit that I've never, not once, watched the show (I don't even know what channel it's on, I don't know anything about the channels that come before 10 except chan 3). But going by what gets posted here, this crap makes me sick. How is a show like this allowed to exist on the air?

Entertainment? Is it entertainment if I were to start a show making stereotypes of Blacks and Jews? Or Quebecers? That's entertainment to you? If I want to be entertained, I'll watch sports, or a comedy, or even a drama. I don't watch bigots and racists that make comments under the guise of "it's just senile old men and it's entertaining".

It shouldn't be "turn it off if you don't like it". That kind of crap shouldn't be on in the first place.
Well, not here to defend them, 'cause it's not really worth it, but again, the majority of things that I hear on that show are not AGAINST any race, color or anything like that but FOR francophones and the belief that having more guys or your own than the actual 4 or 5 will make your team better. Could be dumb, could be wise, could be something in the middle, but I don't call it racist. Not like Cherry who says something along all French Canadian are cowards 'cause they wear a visor.....I believe there's a significant difference between those two.

The only comment that looks like it and that we hear on this show, but you know what on this board and a lot too, is that Europeans and mostly Russians, don't give it all 'cause they're just waiting to go back home. Again, generalizing is never a good thing and that comment, when I hear it on that show or on this board, I just think it's pure ignorance. But besides it is entertainment 'cause they don't spend this whole 20 minutes speaking that way. Now if it's good or bad entertainment, well take your pick.

But what started all of this is the all-time low as far as francos are concerned with the Habs in the regular lineup. If we would've been at 7 or 8, never would you have heard those kinds of comments I believe. What those guys are missing though, is that since they have no clue about the prospects we have, they don't know that Lapierre, Ferland and Côté are about to make it, which then would make the ''Franco ratio'' go up and everybody will be happy.....

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French people are so sensitive.
Whath maketh you think that we're tho thenthitive?

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This has gone off topic as it usally does whenever any thread comes up about 110%.

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