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03-27-2013, 11:07 AM
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With Hodgson out of the picture Ennis will become the one true centre obv
Master plan ... Muahahahaha *wrings hands*



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03-27-2013, 11:13 AM
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With Hodgson out of the picture Ennis will become the one true centre obv
That's a funny way to spell MacKinnon.

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ROR is better than all the players on that list.

Also, Calgary isn't going to offer any of them an offer sheet and lose their first round pick now. When they offer sheeted ROR, they expected him to be a difference maker this season.
They wouldn't lose their 1st round pick as the offer sheets would be in the off-season, hence any draft picks lost would affect the 2014 draft on.

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03-27-2013, 11:18 AM
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yea, Cody's Dad got him moved to a situation where he could be "the man"... and now they are going to mess it up by going "RoR"
Makes total sense

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03-27-2013, 11:40 AM
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I've always said him and Gagner play similar games (in the pros) and by coincidence they are both having similar years.

Gagner earns $3.2M/yr which Hodgson will probably get next season.
Gagner is on his 3rd contract, which he signed as an arbitration eligible RFA. Hodgson isn't arbitration eligible. Hodgson is more comparable to Gagner when Gagner was 21 and signed a 2 year deal for 2.275 mil per year.

Hodgson will probably get 2.5 - 2.75 mil per on a 2 year deal. He won't break 3 mil AAV unless he gets 3 years or more.

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03-27-2013, 12:04 PM
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yea, Cody's Dad got him moved to a situation where he could be "the man"... and now they are going to mess it up by going "RoR"
Makes total sense
Well put Jame.

Cody is in a position where he is contributing at an amazing rate, probably the reason why he was drafted high. He has immense talent and Buffalo would be stupid to let the contract talks get out of hand. I'm sure Cody is happy then he gets top minutes in Buffalo, he is our future 1C, and whoever says otherwise clearly doesn't watch the Sabres. He has parts of his game to work on (defense mostly), but when he improves on that he will definitely be talked more about league-wide.

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03-27-2013, 12:16 PM
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Unless someone overpays, the Sabres would be silly to move Hodgson.

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03-27-2013, 12:18 PM
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No, this is how things are done between Cody and an organization who cost him a year of development, criticized *him* for it, and wouldn't even give him Malhotra's minutes (13 minutes, bad offensive linemates and 30% offensive zone starts are perfect for a growing scoring center) until after they decided to trade him.
You realize he was a rookie on a President's Trophy winning team, do you not? Should we have benched Henrik Sedin or Ryan Kesler in favour of rookie Cody Hodgson? Don't spin the truth, Hodgson got more minutes than both Malhotra and Lapierre. He also got about 50% offensive zone starts which is more than typical for a 3rd line center. If he would have stuck it out and not complained, he would have been playing 19 minutes a night here in Vancouver this season as well with likely a spot on our 1st unit PP.

And the Canucks didn't cost him anything. He was misdiagnosed for an injury and cleared to play. When he played bad, and said he was feeling some pain, the coach called responded by saying publicly that he was medically cleared to play so it shouldn't be an excuse. You're make it seem like Canucks management took a hammer to the kid's back, whether he was medically cleared or whether they would have caught the injury he still would have missed the season. If he has sore feelings towards the coach over his comments then fine, you would think a kid touted as a mature proffesional would be able to get over that over the next 2 years though.

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03-27-2013, 12:20 PM
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No, this is how things are done between Cody and an organization who cost him a year of development, criticized *him* for it, and wouldn't even give him Malhotra's minutes (13 minutes, bad offensive linemates and 30% offensive zone starts are perfect for a growing scoring center) until after they decided to trade him.
I don't mean to derail the thread but this is a pretty disingenuous account of his time in Vancouver. And please Buffalo don't trade him. He's the closest thing you've got to a #1C and he's in a great position for his career. Pay the man.

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03-27-2013, 12:54 PM
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Everyone has different opinions on players, and most Sabres fans will say he's our most untouchable player right now. But fact is, he's going to be an RFA and due a raise, and there is a fear that he may go ROR on us. If he were to be dangled, what kind of return could he get, out of curiosity?
Where has there ever been that fear?

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03-27-2013, 12:59 PM
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I'll admit as a Canucks fan I was disappointed to see Cody go, but he is a difficult player to deal with off the ice. I expect him waiting to see what Kadri gets from Leafs. With Stafford getting 4 million as an RFA, I can almost guarantee his agent will ask for more as a comparable. My guess would between 5-5.25, most likely less than Evander Kane but similar to ROR. Buffalo should sign him, but don't expect discount and if demands aren't met I could see a holdout.

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03-27-2013, 01:01 PM
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You realize he was a rookie on a President's Trophy winning team, do you not? Should we have benched Henrik Sedin or Ryan Kesler in favour of rookie Cody Hodgson? Don't spin the truth, Hodgson got more minutes than both Malhotra and Lapierre. He also got about 50% offensive zone starts which is more than typical for a 3rd line center. If he would have stuck it out and not complained, he would have been playing 19 minutes a night here in Vancouver this season as well with likely a spot on our 1st unit PP.

And the Canucks didn't cost him anything. He was misdiagnosed for an injury and cleared to play. When he played bad, and said he was feeling some pain, the coach called responded by saying publicly that he was medically cleared to play so it shouldn't be an excuse. You're make it seem like Canucks management took a hammer to the kid's back, whether he was medically cleared or whether they would have caught the injury he still would have missed the season. If he has sore feelings towards the coach over his comments then fine, you would think a kid touted as a mature proffesional would be able to get over that over the next 2 years though.
He only ended up hovering around 50% because they had him start like 80% of his shifts in the offensive end after they already decided to trade him during the season.

And no, AV shouldn't have benched Kesler or Henrik for Hodgson, stop straw manning, your center situation is more complex than that.

In 2011, Vancouver's top 9 center mix was Henrik and Malhotra as offensive and defensive specialists with Kesler being the flex, providing secondary scoring against third lines and pairings most of the time. It's why his offensive stats from that year have so many career outliers, he was the Getzlaf to Malhotra's best Sami Pahlsson circa 2007 impression.

In 2012, with Malhotra relegated to faceoff specialist because of the eye injury, Kesler again faced top competition. However rather than give Hodgson the secondary scoring minutes Ryan vacated, AV split those deployments between his top six. Hodgson remained the third line center on a bottom six that was used entirely in a possession/energy role. It wasn't until winter, again, after Canucks management decided he wasn't making it until the playoffs that Hodgson was given a real shot at producing offense (although 80% OZS is too much in the other direction).

http://vansunsportsblogs.com/2012/02...nster-january/

And Stringer, I'm just annoyed that every time a swath of Canucks fans bring him up, they act like his behavior was predicated by zero Vancouver missteps. What I posted was the other side of that coin. Of course if I was a Canucks fan, a part of me would be pissed at him for not putting his head down and forcing AV to play him more, but the actions of Canucks front office and coaching staff played a fundamental role in Hodgson's behavior towards the franchise. Also, their conduct regarding the matter since has been the epitome of unprofessionalism and pettiness.


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Where has there ever been that fear?
Speculation. It's not hard to connect the dots. Maybe nothing will come of it, but it has me worried.

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03-27-2013, 01:18 PM
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Right. Hodgson's family being upset at a back injury being completely misdiagnosed and mistreated is the same as ROR's dad being mad about Colorado not wanting to shell out big buck$.
That is part of the story, but if you think it's the sole reason for him being moved you're being naive. Cody went through a few agents, who does that at such a young age? There's obvious influence from his politician father that's probably used to getting things his way.

Once cody is old enough to tell his parents to take a hike, the better for him and buffalo fans. Better just hope that he doesn't turn into the self centered ******* his father appears to be.

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Buffalo gets Gaustad, and 2nd tier prospect and a 2nd and Nashville gets Hodgson

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Well put Jame.

Cody is in a position where he is contributing at an amazing rate, probably the reason why he was drafted high. He has immense talent and Buffalo would be stupid to let the contract talks get out of hand. I'm sure Cody is happy then he gets top minutes in Buffalo, he is our future 1C, and whoever says otherwise clearly doesn't watch the Sabres. He has parts of his game to work on (defense mostly), but when he improves on that he will definitely be talked more about league-wide.
He needs to work on his defense....as for being the #1 Center...I need to wait to see how Grigs pans out befoe calling him the future #1 Center. He is the #1 now.

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The Sabres will have no problem signing Hodgson at a good price. The've given him everything he wanted. Top minutes with good wingers/

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The Sabres will have no problem signing Hodgson at a good price. The've given him everything he wanted. Top minutes with good wingers/
They've turned him into a #1 centre. Now they're going to have to pay him as one.

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Buffalo gets Gaustad, and 2nd tier prospect and a 2nd and Nashville gets Hodgson
Yeah the Sabres want Gaustad back after stealing a 1st round pick for him

Hodgson is going no where. It's wishful thinking by Canuck fans making claims that Cody will want 5+ mil a year. He hasn't eclipsed 50 points yet, but he's gonna want over 5 mil a year?!

Hodgson will either get a 2 year deal for around 3 per, or he will sign long term at 4 or 4.5 a year. No way in hell is he getting 5+ a year. But if he was dealt the return would need to be astronomical. He has become a legit #1 center in terms of offensive production. He is 15th in the whole league for scoring by a center. Buffalos center core is going to be amazing in a couple years, Ennis, Hodgson, Grigorenko and then Girgensons no reason at all to trade Cody or Ennis. Keep both and when Grigs and Girgs fully develop, then you can trade one of the 4.

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They've turned him into a #1 centre. Now they're going to have to pay him as one.
No Hodgson turned himself into a #1 center. 15th in center scoring in the whole league and is 23. Regier is a genius for pulling that trade off for Kassian not one Sabre fan misses Kassian. Hodgson is going to be a Chris Drury type player for a long time. His defense has improved and his offense is better every game.

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03-27-2013, 02:55 PM
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No offence, but you're pulling a lot of this out of your ass. No one knows where the truth lies, his agent confused things on twitter and I wouldn't trust any articles written on the topic. Best for both sides to move on.
What exactly am I pulling out of my ass here?

I don't care whether he actually demanded a trade or not, I care that he wasn't given a scoring role until the team had decided to acquiesce to his trade demands, or not put up with his agent, or whatever actually happened.

I'm annoyed by the legion of Vancouver fans that act like Hodgson is nothing but a brat and refuse to see their own organization's contributions to however the situation played out.

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Yeah the Sabres want Gaustad back after stealing a 1st round pick for him

Hodgson is going no where. It's wishful thinking by Canuck fans making claims that Cody will want 5+ mil a year. He hasn't eclipsed 50 points yet, but he's gonna want over 5 mil a year?!

Hodgson will either get a 2 year deal for around 3 per, or he will sign long term at 4 or 4.5 a year. No way in hell is he getting 5+ a year. But if he was dealt the return would need to be astronomical. He has become a legit #1 center in terms of offensive production. He is 15th in the whole league for scoring by a center. Buffalos center core is going to be amazing in a couple years, Ennis, Hodgson, Grigorenko and then Girgensons no reason at all to trade Cody or Ennis. Keep both and when Grigs and Girgs fully develop, then you can trade one of the 4.



No Hodgson turned himself into a #1 center. 15th in center scoring in the whole league and is 23. Regier is a genius for pulling that trade off for Kassian not one Sabre fan misses Kassian. Hodgson is going to be a Chris Drury type player for a long time. His defense has improved and his offense is better every game.


Guy, I didn't bring up Kassian. I was never a fan of the trade. I'm talking Hodgson. Buffalo forced him into the 1C role and Hodgson ran with it. Looks like it's working out great, but it's going to cost you more coin. Money I'm sure you guys will gladly pay, but more money nonetheless. He wouldn't have gotten as big of a payout if he was on the Canucks still or Pittsburgh, Chicago, or about 18 other teams.

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