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03-27-2013, 04:45 PM
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Giguere in 03 was nuts. I had them getting swept against the Wings. Was just an incredible run.

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I posted this list in a History forum thread the other day - these show how much better a goaltender did, relative to the leaguewide save percentage in a postseason. Before anyone responds to that point, rest assured that I understand that it's not all about save percentage. It's a starting point for discussion.

Some notable ones better (actually, the top ten in terms of standard deviations above the mean for a particular playoff season):

Johnny Bower, 1963 Toronto (94.9% save percentage, 8-2, 3.2 standard deviations)
Patrick Roy, 1993 Montreal (92.9% save percentage, 16-4, 3.1 SD)
Martin Brodeur, 1995 New Jersey (93.2% save percentage, 16-4, 3.1 SD)
Curtis Joseph, 1993 St. Louis (93.8% save percentage, 7-4, 3.1 SD)
Richard Brodeur, 1982 Vancouver (91.7% save percentage, 11-6, 2.9 SD)
Olaf Kolzig, 1998 Washington (94.1% save percentage, 12-9, 2.9 SD)
Tim Thomas, 2011 Boston (94.0% save percentage, 16-9, 2.9 SD)
J-S Giguere, 2003 Anaheim (94.5% save percentage, 15-6, 2.9 SD)
Bernie Parent, 1968 Philadelphia (96.3% save percentage, 2-3, 2.7 SD)
Rogie Vachon, 1969 Montreal (95.3% save percentage, 7-1, 2.7 SD)

It's harder to get a high standard deviation metric playing in few games (stated differently, it's easier for an average goaltender to put up a seemingly-remarkable performance due to random chance in a smaller number of games).

In terms of goals prevented beyond a replacement-level goaltender, the list is quite similar (but includes my all-time favorite):

Tim Thomas, 2011 Boston (37.1 goals prevented above replacement)
Patrick Roy, 1993 Montreal (34.0)
Olaf Kolzig, 1998 Washington (33.5)
J-S Giguere, 2003 Anaheim (32.2)
John Vanbiesbrouck, 1996 Florida (32.0)
Richard Brodeur, 1982 Vancouver (31.6)
Kirk McLean, 1994 Vancouver (30.8)
Martin Brodeur, 1995 New Jersey (28.9)
Bill Ranford, 1990 Edmonton (27.5)
Curtis Joseph, 1993 St. Louis (26.8)

It's even harder for a small sample performance to end up on this list, since it's weighted by time played (and that's probably appropriate, although it punishes goaltenders from the early era - on the other hand, it was easier to win in those days since you only had to win eight).

These only go back to the 1953 playoffs.

As for Quick, Quick's 2012 playoffs was in an era of inflated save percentages overall:

http://hockeygoalies.org/bio/quick.html

His 94.6% save percentage in 2012 equates to 2.3 standard deviations above average, and 23.0 goals better than replacement.

Still laudable, of course.

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Brian Elliott set the record for the best save percentage ever with 0.940 last season. Would you take him over Lundqvist?
We're talking about best performance over a short period of time. Not whose the best goaltender.

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That might have something to do with the fact that Thomas played more games than Quick.
Well then we'll have to agree to disagree. Most people will say Thomas was better. Most LA fans will say Quick. Understandable.

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Off the top of my head J-S Gigeure

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Roy in 93... He really was clutch which is exactly what you want from your goalie in the playoffs.

10 straight OT wins... The record probably won't be broken again.

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Kolzig.

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Cam Ward for Carolina's Cup run should get a mention.

Anytime a rookie does it is impressive, like Roy in '86.

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03-27-2013, 04:58 PM
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Giggy sticks out to me I remember every game he was getting shutouts and standing on his head and then in a losing cause still got the MVP.
That look in his eyes says it all:


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03-27-2013, 05:22 PM
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I posted this list in a History forum thread the other day - these show how much better a goaltender did, relative to the leaguewide save percentage in a postseason. Before anyone responds to that point, rest assured that I understand that it's not all about save percentage. It's a starting point for discussion.

Some notable ones better (actually, the top ten in terms of standard deviations above the mean for a particular playoff season):

Johnny Bower, 1963 Toronto (94.9% save percentage, 8-2, 3.2 standard deviations)
Patrick Roy, 1993 Montreal (92.9% save percentage, 16-4, 3.1 SD)
Martin Brodeur, 1995 New Jersey (93.2% save percentage, 16-4, 3.1 SD)
Curtis Joseph, 1993 St. Louis (93.8% save percentage, 7-4, 3.1 SD)
Richard Brodeur, 1982 Vancouver (91.7% save percentage, 11-6, 2.9 SD)
Olaf Kolzig, 1998 Washington (94.1% save percentage, 12-9, 2.9 SD)
Tim Thomas, 2011 Boston (94.0% save percentage, 16-9, 2.9 SD)
J-S Giguere, 2003 Anaheim (94.5% save percentage, 15-6, 2.9 SD)
Bernie Parent, 1976 Philadelphia (96.3% save percentage, 2-3, 2.7 SD)
Rogie Vachon, 1969 Montreal (95.3% save percentage, 7-1, 2.7 SD)

It's harder to get a high standard deviation metric playing in few games (stated differently, it's easier for an average goaltender to put up a seemingly-remarkable performance due to random chance in a smaller number of games).

In terms of goals prevented beyond a replacement-level goaltender, the list is quite similar (but includes my all-time favorite):

Tim Thomas, 2011 Boston (37.1 goals prevented above replacement)
Patrick Roy, 1993 Montreal (34.0)
Olaf Kolzig, 1998 Washington (33.5)
J-S Giguere, 2003 Anaheim (32.2)
John Vanbiesbrouck, 1996 Florida (32.0)
Richard Brodeur, 1982 Vancouver (31.6)
Kirk McLean, 1994 Vancouver (30.8)
Martin Brodeur, 1995 New Jersey (28.9)
Bill Ranford, 1990 Edmonton (27.5)
Curtis Joseph, 1993 St. Louis (26.8)

It's even harder for a small sample performance to end up on this list, since it's weighted by time played (and that's probably appropriate, although it punishes goaltenders from the early era - on the other hand, it was easier to win in those days since you only had to win eight).

These only go back to the 1953 playoffs.

As for Quick, Quick's 2012 playoffs was in an era of inflated save percentages overall:

http://hockeygoalies.org/bio/quick.html

His 94.6% save percentage in 2012 equates to 2.3 standard deviations above average, and 23.0 goals better than replacement.

Still laudable, of course.
That's a really interesting way of looking at it, great post Taco. Quick's numbers can't be beat, but I think it's more indicative of the entire team, and as you said the statistical inflation of recent years.

Roy was actually going to be my pick. It's a painful memory (albeit foggy as I was young), but his performance was incredible and turned me begrudgingly into a big Roy fan as a little boy.

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The Giggy run everyone keeps talking about is when they still Kariya, not when they had Pronger/Niedermayer, right?


As for Quick, I'm a Kings fan, Thomas playoff run is the better one. Quick's accomplishment was his regular season...he was the reason we still could squeak in to the playoffs with an amazing run right after getting Carter.

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03-27-2013, 05:28 PM
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Giguere easy.

21 games, 15 wins, 697 saves (159 more saves then Quick in one game more played)
1.62 GAA, .945 S%

5 Shutouts
14 overtime periods.
1 2ot, 1 3ot (64 saves), 1 5ot, 7 1ot

Detroit defending champs favoured to win (swept)
Defeated heavily favorited Dallas including 5ot game
Swept Minnesota, Giguere stopped 122 of 123 shots for a .992S% 3 back to back shutouts

Managed to pull a 7th place team people thought would be swept in first round to the cup finals and push game 7 against a strong Jersey team, and as a losing goalie steal the Conn Smythe.

LA was a good team that underperformed most of the year and came togethor in the playoffs. Anaheim was a team that was pulled to the finals by the goalie alone.

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That look in his eyes says it all:

Looks so tired he would fall asleep driving home.

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Jonathan Quick last year in the playoffs put up better stats than any of the aforementioned goalies.
His team was vastly superior to the one Giggy had in from of him on 03.

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I posted this list in a History forum thread the other day - these show how much better a goaltender did, relative to the leaguewide save percentage in a postseason. Before anyone responds to that point, rest assured that I understand that it's not all about save percentage. It's a starting point for discussion.

Some notable ones better (actually, the top ten in terms of standard deviations above the mean for a particular playoff season):

Johnny Bower, 1963 Toronto (94.9% save percentage, 8-2, 3.2 standard deviations)
Patrick Roy, 1993 Montreal (92.9% save percentage, 16-4, 3.1 SD)
Martin Brodeur, 1995 New Jersey (93.2% save percentage, 16-4, 3.1 SD)
Curtis Joseph, 1993 St. Louis (93.8% save percentage, 7-4, 3.1 SD)
Richard Brodeur, 1982 Vancouver (91.7% save percentage, 11-6, 2.9 SD)
Olaf Kolzig, 1998 Washington (94.1% save percentage, 12-9, 2.9 SD)
Tim Thomas, 2011 Boston (94.0% save percentage, 16-9, 2.9 SD)
J-S Giguere, 2003 Anaheim (94.5% save percentage, 15-6, 2.9 SD)
Bernie Parent, 1976 Philadelphia (96.3% save percentage, 2-3, 2.7 SD)
Rogie Vachon, 1969 Montreal (95.3% save percentage, 7-1, 2.7 SD)

It's harder to get a high standard deviation metric playing in few games (stated differently, it's easier for an average goaltender to put up a seemingly-remarkable performance due to random chance in a smaller number of games).

In terms of goals prevented beyond a replacement-level goaltender, the list is quite similar (but includes my all-time favorite):

Tim Thomas, 2011 Boston (37.1 goals prevented above replacement)
Patrick Roy, 1993 Montreal (34.0)
Olaf Kolzig, 1998 Washington (33.5)
J-S Giguere, 2003 Anaheim (32.2)
John Vanbiesbrouck, 1996 Florida (32.0)
Richard Brodeur, 1982 Vancouver (31.6)
Kirk McLean, 1994 Vancouver (30.8)
Martin Brodeur, 1995 New Jersey (28.9)
Bill Ranford, 1990 Edmonton (27.5)
Curtis Joseph, 1993 St. Louis (26.8)

It's even harder for a small sample performance to end up on this list, since it's weighted by time played (and that's probably appropriate, although it punishes goaltenders from the early era - on the other hand, it was easier to win in those days since you only had to win eight).

These only go back to the 1953 playoffs.

As for Quick, Quick's 2012 playoffs was in an era of inflated save percentages overall:

http://hockeygoalies.org/bio/quick.html

His 94.6% save percentage in 2012 equates to 2.3 standard deviations above average, and 23.0 goals better than replacement.

Still laudable, of course.
Great post; good work. Tough to argue with the analysis here as it views every goalie's stats on a relative basis to their peers at the time thus isolating dead puck era and other similar influences on the raw stats.

You can still argue that the team in front influenced the respective goalie's stats, but there's only so much you can do with the numbers, and this does a pretty good job.

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Dryden played on the most stacked teams imaginable. Has to be one of the guys from the 90s or Giguere.

Dark horse: Glenn Hall when Chicago won in 60-61.
Dryden in 1971 by far the most incredible playoff run ever.

That year the Habs finished 4th in their division which was won by a monster Bruins team that scored something like 400 goals. The Bruins had Bobby Orr, Phil Esposito, Buyck and Hodge all in their prime. Dryden had played a total of 6 NHL games before the playoffs started. The Habs upset the Bruins in the first round purely on the incredible play of Dryden and went on to excel in every series on the way to winning the cup.

To this day Phil Esposito tells that the play of Dryden was the best he had ever seen from a goalie in the playoffs.

BTW, Ken Dryden won rookie of the year the NEXT year! lol

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That look in his eyes says it all:

I remember a lot of Anaheim fans were pissed that the nj fans started booing J.S. when he won the smythe. To this day I truely believe that just about everyone there was not booing J.S. but were booing that a devils player was not awarded the conn smythe. Am I right devils fans?

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I remember a lot of Anaheim fans were pissed that the nj fans started booing J.S. when he won the smythe. To this day I truely believe that just about everyone there was not booing J.S. but were booing that a devils player was not awarded the conn smythe. Am I right devils fans?
Pretty much. We just watched the guy give up 3,3,6 & 3 goals in the 4 games we saw in person in NJ, including a fairly gigantic 5 hole in game 7 and they go and award him the MVP. It just fed into the feeling that the Devils never got the respect they deserved.

I don't get the people saying Brodeur in '03 either. He was way better in the '00 run when they played a much more wide open system under Robinson. He was absolutely lights out from game 5 of the Flyers series through those two multiple overtime goalie duels with Belfour to close out the series against the Stars. I always felt he never got the credit he deserved from that run. I guess it evened out in '03 when the system was a lot tighter and frankly there were a lot of easy shutouts. That was also the year I first remember him starting the give up flukes at the worst times.

My vote goes to Roy '93 and Giguere in '03 despite the 3 games in NJ. Hasek is probably up there as well but all of his playoff run blend together for me so I'm not sure any one year stands out.

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Speaking of Brodeur, I was surprised at how underrated his 1995 performance was/is. I remembered the more recent ones more, too, until I pulled the numbers above.

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Jonathan Quick absolutely must be in the discussion:

16-4, 1.41 GAA, .946 SV%
Quick has impressed me the most

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Bernie Parent in 1976.

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Posting now....will read back through bur im sure Parent has been mentioned by now

EDIT: That turned out to be a bad idea....sorry about that

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I'd never really dug into Bernie Parent's 1968 playoff run, particularly since the Flyers were first-round losers to St. Louis that year, but his numbers there are eye-popping

Game 1 (April 4): 0-1 loss, 32 saves on 33 shots
Game 2 (April 6): Doug Favell played
Game 3 (April 10): 2-3 loss, 54 saves on 57 shots
Game 4 (April 11): Doug Favell played
Game 5 (April 13): 6-1 win, 30 saves on 31 shots
Game 6 (April 16): 2-1 OT win, 63 saves on 64 shots
Game 7 (April 18): 1-3 loss, 28 saves on 31 shots

From this, it looks like Parent carried the entire team on his back in that first expansion playoffs, and just ran out of gas at the end. I'll have to check with contemporary accounts to see if that meshes with the opinion of the day.

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Giggy in '03. Watching his accept the Conn Smyth with tears in his eyes as the Devil's celebrated was heartbreaking. Glad he was able to make up for it a couple years later.
I still think he was wearing hugely oversized equipment.

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