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Does Danis need to clear waivers?

Just wondering if Danis is in the same boat as Hainsey was last year. Does he need to clear waivers to be sent down to Hamilton this year?

If he does, I have my doubts that we'll be able to keep him.

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If he does habs carry 3 goalies!

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That would mean 1 less spot for a young guy.

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That would mean 1 less spot for a young guy.
'till they trade aebisher

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Ok, Ok. But does he or doesn't he need to clear waivers. I think it's an important question.

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Yann Danis was signed at 22 yo, so that make have a 3 years waiver exempt

a year count when he played 1 or more professional game including playoff

so then everyone would thing 2003-04, 2004-05 & 2005-06, but Danis contract was propably starting for the 2004-05 season, so 2003-04 season doesn't count because he was not under contract with the NHL team yet,

So I say he still have one year left

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Yann Danis was signed at 22 yo, so that make have a 3 years waiver exempt

a year count when he played 1 or more professional game including playoff

so then everyone would thing 2003-04, 2004-05 & 2005-06, but Danis contract was propably starting for the 2004-05 season, so 2003-04 season doesn't count because he was not under contract with the NHL team yet,

So I say he still have one year left
So the determining factor is that you need to have 3 years of nhl experience.

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So the determining factor is that you need to have 3 years of nhl experience.

Hainsey played two seasons on the big club, and on his third season being called up to the NHL he got grabbed. Danis only played in the NHL last year so wouldn't that mean that this year he is safe?

I hope so!

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So the determining factor is that you need to have 3 years of nhl experience.
not NHL, pro, it could be NHL, AHL, ECHL, Euro, or any sort of pro league while been under NHL contract

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Yes, he would need to be waived to join the Hamilton club:

He was signed at the end of the 03-04 season and played in two games, meening he played in 3 pro years.

Gainey will have to make a move: preferentially Aebisher. Still, my main question is: how many forwards/defensmen are also exposed to be waivers? Ferland for sure, but are Côté and Lapierre also in trouble? Guess we could lose Murray at the waiver draft.... anyway, Gainey will need to move, and I guess he will wait for a team to be in troubles between the pipes.... the only problem with that is that Biron is also waiting for this to happen, so are Anaheim and San Jose.

I expect Danis to go through waivers or to be delt.

source: http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/p...3?pid=00054882

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Yes, he would need to be waived to join the Hamilton club:

He was signed at the end of the 03-04 season and played in two games, meening he played in 3 pro years.

Gainey will have to make a move: preferentially Aebisher. Still, my main question is: how many forwards/defensmen are also exposed to be waivers? Ferland for sure, but are Côté and Lapierre also in trouble? Guess we could lose Murray at the waiver draft.... anyway, Gainey will need to move, and I guess he will wait for a team to be in troubles between the pipes.... the only problem with that is that Biron is also waiting for this to happen, so are Anaheim and San Jose.

I expect Danis to go through waivers or to be delt.

source: http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/p...3?pid=00054882
you didn't read my post, right?

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One place I see landing Aebisher is Atlanta who has health concern about Kari Lehtonen. Hartley knows Aebischer and knows what he can bring. So any thoughs?

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My understanding was that the 3-year waiver exemption started on the sooner of:
1) First GP in the NHL
2) Turning 22 years of age.

Anyway my understanding is that Danis has to pass through waivers.

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Yann Danis was signed at 22 yo, so that make have a 3 years waiver exempt
Well, again for the sake of arguing into the unknown, the NHL definition seems to be that you are the age you'll be prior to the Entry Draft cutoff on September 15th. So, for example, Sidney Crosby would be "18" if his draft was held on the normal day in late June and he signed immediately, despite the fact that he was born in August and would technically have been 17. Similarly, Danis may have been 22 when he signed, but would have been 23 according to that scale. (See note 2 of Section 13.4 of the CBA on waiver exemptions). Of course, there is no explicit mention of how this applies to complete free agents who were never drafted, but the way it is written seems to imply that it applies to everybody. (I don't point this out to say that he is definitively classified as 22 or 23, rather to say it's not clear to me which he'd be).

If he counts as 22, then he'd have 4 years exemption.
If he counts as 23, then he'd have 3 years exemption.
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a year count when he played 1 or more professional game including playoff

so then everyone would thing 2003-04, 2004-05 & 2005-06, but Danis contract was propably starting for the 2004-05 season, so 2003-04 season doesn't count because he was not under contract with the NHL team yet,

So I say he still have one year left
... and I can see this being the saving grace either way. The press release when he signed stated that he signed a 2-year contract. Perhaps those games he played after signing weren't technically on an NHL SPC? If that turned out to be the case, then he'd only have 2 years marked against him, in which case he's safe regardless of whether he's counted as 22 or 23.

Well, basically there are 4 permutations here: 22 and 3 years played. 22 and 2 years played. 23 and 3 years played. 23 and 2 years played. Only one of those cases (23 and 3 years played) results in him being exposed. So I figure there's a 75% chance he's safe.

(And hey that also means there's a 25% chance he's exempt next year too under the 22-2 scenario! ).


EDIT: OR of course, there is some completely different aspect of the CBA or ruling-out-of-the-blue that would apply.

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...So, it's 100% certain that Dan Jancevski would have to pass waivers then, correct?

Who else would need to clear waivers on the Habs/Dogs roster?

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...So, it's 100% certain that Dan Jancevski would have to pass waivers then, correct?

Who else would need to clear waivers on the Habs/Dogs roster?
Milroy, Archer, and Ferland.

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