HFBoards

Go Back   HFBoards > General Hockey Discussion > The Business of Hockey
The Business of Hockey Discuss the financial and business aspects of the NHL. Topics may include the CBA, work stoppages, broadcast contracts, franchise sales, and NHL revenues.

Phoenix LXXIII: "This Space Available"

Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools
Old
03-27-2013, 09:50 PM
  #451
Llama19
Registered User
 
Llama19's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Apocalypse, AZ
Country: United States
Posts: 1,129
vCash: 1100
Quote:
Originally Posted by metalfoot View Post
Kevy-- I'm assuming the list is now non-existent? The new Glendale council doesn't seem to want to play the way that Mayor Scruggs et al did.
It looks like the big dog is taking his ball away from Glendale and going home...


Llama19 is offline  
Old
03-27-2013, 09:53 PM
  #452
Acesolid
The Illusive Bettman
 
Acesolid's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Québec
Country: Canada
Posts: 1,724
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by YEMELIN74 View Post
I just don't see the coyotes moving to quebec city(even if I would love too since I live 20 minutes away from quebec), the nhl just transferred 2 teams in the eastern conference... why would they that if they are going to move the coyotes to quebec and end up with 17 teams in the east and 13 in the western conference. They would have to either have quebec play in the western conference or realign the division again and get an approval from the nhlpa again

The coyotes are either staying in Phoenix are moving to Seattle...
I hope I am wrong but I just don't believe that the nhl would waste time to realign the division twice in a 1 or 2 month span... doesn't make sense at all
It's because there is no other option for them.

There is no good arena in Seattle according to the NHL's Mouth. (and the new one wont be there soon enough)

There is no owner/subsidy coming from Glendale.

There is no other possible owner/town (except maybe KC, we'll see).


So they have NO CHOICE. We're their last choice. They dont want to give us a team. But here's the thing: There's no alternative!

Acesolid is offline  
Old
03-27-2013, 09:55 PM
  #453
YEMELIN74
Registered User
 
YEMELIN74's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Lévis
Country: Iceland
Posts: 1,153
vCash: 500
Send a message via MSN to YEMELIN74
Quote:
Originally Posted by Acesolid View Post
It's because there is no other option for them.

There is no good arena in Seattle according to the NHL's Mouth. (and the new one wont be there soon enough)

There is no owner/subsidy coming from Glendale.

There is no other possible owner/town (except maybe KC, we'll see).


So they have NO CHOICE. We're their last choice. They dont want to give us a team. But here's the thing: There's no alternative!
I hope you are right but I wont get my hopes too high, I just don't want to disappointed like I was last summer!

YEMELIN74 is offline  
Old
03-27-2013, 09:58 PM
  #454
Ugmo
Registered User
 
Ugmo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Country: Austria
Posts: 7,069
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Acesolid View Post
They dont want to give us a team. But here's the thing: There's no alternative!
I'm not sure I even believe that. GB did make that "righting a few wrongs" comment, and the league cannot be oblivious to the success story that Atlanta to Winnipeg ended up being.

Ugmo is offline  
Old
03-27-2013, 09:58 PM
  #455
Patofqc
Registered User
 
Patofqc's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Posts: 3,282
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by YEMELIN74 View Post
I just don't see the coyotes moving to quebec city(even if I would love too since I live 20 minutes away from quebec), the nhl just transferred 2 teams in the eastern conference... why would they that if they are going to move the coyotes to quebec and end up with 17 teams in the east and 13 in the western conference. They would have to either have quebec play in the western conference or realign the division again and get an approval from the nhlpa again

The coyotes are either staying in Phoenix are moving to Seattle...
I hope I am wrong but I just don't believe that the nhl would waste time to realign the division twice in a 1 or 2 month span... doesn't make sense at all
There is surely a plan B should the Coyotes move to Quebec City. Either they leave Columbus in the west, or they play Québec in the Jets division for a couple of years, like the Jets had to go thrue.

Patofqc is offline  
Old
03-27-2013, 09:58 PM
  #456
Major4Boarding
Moderator
Private Equity
 
Major4Boarding's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: South of Heaven
Country: Scotland
Posts: 1,674
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Patofqc View Post
Two very credible insiders, and NHl mouthpieces have said the NHL would never play at Key Arena, Dreger and Renaud Lavoie. Seattle is not ready, if the Coyotes move this year its to Québec City.
Lavoie gave his opinion that Key was not suitable and that the League wouldn't see it as an option. Daly, for whatever reason, stated the contrary on RTS with McCown. Dreger stated tonite that Seattle is not ready and may not be ready. All those combined do not translate to never, imo.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Patofqc View Post
Samething, they are not ready for relocation this year.
I guess why I was asking was because I have different interpretations of "not suitable" versus "no arena".

Major4Boarding is offline  
Old
03-27-2013, 09:59 PM
  #457
Patofqc
Registered User
 
Patofqc's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Posts: 3,282
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Llama19 View Post
It looks like the big dog is taking his ball away from Glendale and going home...

Cute pics, you can really feel the pain on the small dog's eyes.

Patofqc is offline  
Old
03-27-2013, 10:02 PM
  #458
Patofqc
Registered User
 
Patofqc's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Posts: 3,282
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Major4Boarding View Post
Lavoie gave his opinion that Key was not suitable and that the League wouldn't see it as an option. Daly, for whatever reason, stated the contrary on RTS with McCown. Dreger stated tonite that Seattle is not ready and may not be ready. All those combined do not translate to never, imo.



I guess what I was asking was because I have different interpretations of "not suitable" versus "no arena".
Dreger is the NHL mouthpiece. Seattle just isnt ready. Heck, we dont even have certainty they will have a new arena just yet, while Québec is building its arena. Yvon Pedneault also has been told by NHL executive that the NHL isnt to thrilled to be a second tenant in the new arena.

Patofqc is offline  
Old
03-27-2013, 10:04 PM
  #459
metalfoot
Karlsson!
 
metalfoot's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Manitoba, Canada
Country: Canada
Posts: 1,535
vCash: 500
It seems to me that the current NHL business model almost demands that the team owner have sole or at least primary revenue from the arena in which the team plays in order to make it work out. Just an observation.

This would, as far as such things go, put Quebec's viability ahead of Seattle if Seattle is lower dog (basically, you'd have Atlanta 2.0, but perhaps not as hostile?).

metalfoot is offline  
Old
03-27-2013, 10:09 PM
  #460
Killion
Global Moderator
 
Killion's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Posts: 20,126
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Patofqc View Post
Actually, the biggest clue about something was brewing is PKP leaving his CEO job of Québécor...
Yes, that was certainly an interesting development. To step back & relinquish control like that at his age? Didnt quite add up...

Quote:
Originally Posted by Major4Boarding View Post
Sounds to me like KC is saying "We'll not be playing the role of any port in the storm" with that 15 yr minimum.
Ya, the Mayor there, one Sly "Super Freak" James, not willing to give an inch in way of any breaks or subsidies to either the NHL nor even the NBA. About a year or two back in an interview basically stating "if they come here, no handouts, no subsidies, and theyd better win" or words to that affect. Gotta say, I admire that attitude.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Major4Boarding View Post
...All those combined do not translate to never, imo.
Yep. Mixed signals huh? Just based on past history, almost any facility will do provided its got a minimum of what, 10-12,000+ seats? Provided shovels are in the ground, Hell, pitch a big-top somewhere and bring in the icemakers from the Winter Classic.

Killion is offline  
Old
03-27-2013, 10:16 PM
  #461
metalfoot
Karlsson!
 
metalfoot's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Manitoba, Canada
Country: Canada
Posts: 1,535
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Killion View Post



Yep. Mixed signals huh? Just based on past history, almost any facility will do provided its got a minimum of what, 10-12,000+ seats? Provided shovels are in the ground, Hell, pitch a big-top somewhere and bring in the icemakers from the Winter Classic.
Big enough tent and you could make it a 3-rink circus...

metalfoot is offline  
Old
03-27-2013, 10:18 PM
  #462
Killion
Global Moderator
 
Killion's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Posts: 20,126
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Patofqc View Post
Dreger is the NHL mouthpiece. Seattle just isnt ready. Heck, we dont even have certainty they will have a new arena just yet, while Québec is building its arena. Yvon Pedneault also has been told by NHL executive that the NHL isnt to thrilled to be a second tenant in the new arena.
Pretty much. And youve got Ron Burkle of the Penguins wanting to buy the Sacramento Kings & pay for a portion of the new building down there in California. I dont see how Stern's going to justify moving the team now, not after the City's voted up approvals on their end of the financing, some $250M++ commitment. Ticket surcharges & parking rev's used to finance. Seattle, Hansen, job#1 is the NBA. That falls through, no arena. And even if they do secure the Kings, I just cant imagine they could pull off getting everything, both the NBA & the NHL in place from June-October. Love to see a team in Seattle, but do it right or just dont bother.

Killion is offline  
Old
03-27-2013, 10:24 PM
  #463
Patofqc
Registered User
 
Patofqc's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Posts: 3,282
vCash: 500
CNNSI article: http://nhl.si.com/2013/03/27/phoenix...ssibly-moving/

Patofqc is offline  
Old
03-27-2013, 10:28 PM
  #464
BrianBoyle
Nash goes HAM
 
BrianBoyle's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: On the grass
Country: United States
Posts: 51,756
vCash: 300
John Shannon @JSportsnet
With a report of potential relocation of Phx to Quebec,hearing that there is a new group of Canadians Investors looking at the Coyotes.

__________________

Neutral Milk Hotel are literally GOAT
Amy Poehler <3

Credit to Ail for the sig.
BrianBoyle is offline  
Old
03-27-2013, 10:28 PM
  #465
Killion
Global Moderator
 
Killion's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Posts: 20,126
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by metalfoot View Post
Big enough tent and you could make it a 3-rink circus...
... good one. With extremely risky over-head high wire acts, psychotic
Clowns working the crowds... I know exactly where to find extreme acts like that...


Killion is offline  
Old
03-27-2013, 10:32 PM
  #466
Patofqc
Registered User
 
Patofqc's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Posts: 3,282
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Zenith View Post
John Shannon @JSportsnet
With a report of potential relocation of Phx to Quebec,hearing that there is a new group of Canadians Investors looking at the Coyotes.
Yeah there is a dozen of groups looking at the Coyotes yet none will buy them.

Patofqc is offline  
Old
03-27-2013, 10:36 PM
  #467
aqib
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Posts: 2,328
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tinalera View Post
Someone tell me why I'm wrong, because I KNOW I am-

250 hours, that's like 10 days (or 20 if they are doing 12 hr a day).

They're supposed to find, report, recommend, and enact/put through a deal to keep the Yotes with a buyer and arena deal within 250 hours?

I know I'm missing something here, tell me what it is, please!

And they do this at a time with the season ending, the Yotes looking like they're going to miss the playoffs.

Something weird is going on here.
I wonder how many people they have assigned to it. I would think the $250 is per person.

aqib is offline  
Old
03-27-2013, 10:40 PM
  #468
Llama19
Registered User
 
Llama19's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Apocalypse, AZ
Country: United States
Posts: 1,129
vCash: 1100
Quote:
Originally Posted by Patofqc View Post
Yeah there is a dozen of groups looking at the Coyotes yet none will buy them.
Cdn Group has been in contact with NHL and are considered lead group in purchase. Key names in group are Anthony Leblanc and George Gosbee.

Gosbee is head of AltaCorp Capital and Vice Chair of AIMCo, a $70 Billion investment Fund. Word is they are finalizing a proposal with NHL.

Source: https://twitter.com/JSportsnet

Llama19 is offline  
Old
03-27-2013, 10:41 PM
  #469
aqib
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Posts: 2,328
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Killion View Post
You did indeed, and thanks aqib. Thats what, 1 promise kept by a muni, 10 broken? But hey, who's keeping score?
Taxes and levies with sunset provisions have to be reapproved. It seems like every year in Cleveland I have to vote renew some tax libraries, schools, port authority (that one annoyed me because they turned me down for a job but I voted for it anyway).

aqib is offline  
Old
03-27-2013, 10:43 PM
  #470
Northender
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Posts: 228
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Llama19 View Post
Cdn Group has been in contact with NHL and are considered lead group in purchase. Key names in group are Anthony Leblanc and George Gosbee.

Gosbee is head of AltaCorp Capital and Vice Chair of AIMCo, a $70 Billion investment Fund. Word is they are finalizing a proposal with NHL.

Source: https://twitter.com/JSportsnet
Is this not one of the Ice Clowns?

Northender is offline  
Old
03-27-2013, 10:43 PM
  #471
Patofqc
Registered User
 
Patofqc's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Posts: 3,282
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Llama19 View Post
Cdn Group has been in contact with NHL and are considered lead group in purchase. Key names in group are Anthony Leblanc and George Gosbee.

Gosbee is head of AltaCorp Capital and Vice Chair of AIMCo, a $70 Billion investment Fund. Word is they are finalizing a proposal with NHL.

Source: https://twitter.com/JSportsnet
They are the Ice Edge clowns. And Shannon has said the sale was done to keep them in Phoenix about 15 times. He has no credibility compared to Dreger, who is one of the NHL mouthpiece. We shall know soon enought according to Dreger.

Patofqc is offline  
Old
03-27-2013, 10:44 PM
  #472
RAgIn
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Sudbury, Ont
Country: Canada
Posts: 891
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Llama19 View Post
Cdn Group has been in contact with NHL and are considered lead group in purchase. Key names in group are Anthony Leblanc and George Gosbee.

Gosbee is head of AltaCorp Capital and Vice Chair of AIMCo, a $70 Billion investment Fund. Word is they are finalizing a proposal with NHL.

Source: https://twitter.com/JSportsnet
Leblanc, again?

First I hear of Gosbee and his billions of $ though. Maybe this is the last play of the NHL to entice the COG to make a deal.

Perhaps this circus ride will never end. Never.

RAgIn is offline  
Old
03-27-2013, 10:46 PM
  #473
Patofqc
Registered User
 
Patofqc's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Posts: 3,282
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by RAgIn View Post
Leblanc, again?

First I hear of Gosbee and his billions of $ though. Maybe this is the last play of the NHL to entice the COG to make a deal.

Perhaps this circus ride will never end. Never.
Are they the Phoenix ''Balkan group'' version, to pump up the sale price for PKP? Remember there was such a group in Atlanta, before they moved.

Patofqc is offline  
Old
03-27-2013, 10:48 PM
  #474
Northender
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Posts: 228
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Zenith View Post
John Shannon @JSportsnet
With a report of potential relocation of Phx to Quebec,hearing that there is a new group of Canadians Investors looking at the Coyotes.
Shannon is a bigger shill than Dreger for the NHL.

Northender is offline  
Old
03-27-2013, 10:48 PM
  #475
Mork
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Country: Canada
Posts: 1,493
vCash: 500
Send a message via ICQ to Mork
Listen, if anything at all is going to happen this season it will have to happen soon. The remainder of the season is so short that the Leafs are running out of time to miss the playoffs!

Mork is offline  
Closed Thread

Forum Jump


Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 05:24 AM.

monitoring_string = "e4251c93e2ba248d29da988d93bf5144"
Contact Us - HFBoards - Archive - Privacy Statement - Terms of Use - Advertise - Top - AdChoices

vBulletin Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
HFBoards.com is a property of CraveOnline Media, LLC, an Evolve Media, LLC company. ©2014 All Rights Reserved.