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03-27-2013, 11:44 PM
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"Fake Season"... hahah.

We're playing with the so-called "contenders" of our conference. The Bruins look like they just got Iginla, so they're the favorites, and we just beat them in a comeback character win. Anything can happen in the playoffs.. We have the picks to spare this year, unlike next year, so why not pick up a guy like Clowe and at least say we tried?

Your goal for every season should be to win the Stanley Cup.. nothing more, nothing less. If you just say "Meh, fake season" or "Next year" you're failing.
That should be the players goal for sure. But you have to be freaking realistic about it. Should Florida be dealing away picks right now? No.

We're coming off a season where we were 15th. Now we're in 2nd. We're playing extremely well but I don't think it makes a whole lot of sense to sell off younger assets for short term gains. If we really are the real deal, we'll be contenders for the forseeable future. We've got a bunch of young players who are just starting to take off. I'd rather we just wait and see how we do. We can always be buyers next year.

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How about after the team shows it can be good over 82 games. 33 games isn't even half of this...

Of the top 5 teams, Bruins, Hawks, and Pens have shown they can be good with their core over 82 games and even won the cup. The Ducks, to a lesser extent, also have a cup with their core but have the same sustainability concerns based on last season. I doubt they are buyers as much as I doubt the Habs will be.

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"Fake Season"... hahah.

We're playing with the so-called "contenders" of our conference. The Bruins look like they just got Iginla, so they're the favorites, and we just beat them in a comeback character win. Anything can happen in the playoffs.. We have the picks to spare this year, unlike next year, so why not pick up a guy like Clowe and at least say we tried?

Your goal for every season should be to win the Stanley Cup.. nothing more, nothing less. If you just say "Meh, fake season" or "Next year" you're failing.
You need to start making the difference between 1 game here and there, and a full series. You also need to take into consideration that in a strange calendar like we're having, we might not be as bad as our worst games due to fatigue, but we might not be as great as we look due to other teams' fatigue as well. And we don't compete against the other conference. So yes...it is a freakin fake season. So going all in and send every pick and prospect for this season with maybe mostly rentals don't cut it. With proper management, you might have a chance to either try to win it all this year.....or build a team so you'd be a contender for the next 10 years. 'Cause don,t kid yourself...Boston is build for the next 10 years as well. They do have some depth. And nobody think Pittsburgh will be easier to play against in the following years. So I choose a wise management over a panicking one.

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03-27-2013, 11:48 PM
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I'm not lobbying to trade the 1st round pick (I'd like to hold onto that one if possible) or even our 2nd round pick. I'm talking about the two extra 2nds and the extra 3rd we've acquired. Yes, this is supposed to be a "deep" draft but you never know how prospects are going to turn out. You could draft another Fischer, and wonder "what if" about this year.

If there was any way we could get a Jagr or a Clowe without sacrificing our original picks that we would have had anyway (our 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and so on) then I say do it. We'll still have plenty of picks.

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If we have such a bright future, why would we trade future assets for players who might not even make our team better today? Clowe is having an awful season, and he's 30 years old. If we give up more than a second round pick to obtain him, I'll be very upset.
We would not get Clowe for his offensive production, although having him on the ice is better than Moen or White or Armstrong.

He would be a role player that successful teams have on their rosters.

After seeing our really poor outing by our defense, we need someone like Smid on the backend. Tinordi has tremendous upside but he is still a couple of years away. And its obvious that we cannot keep giving Markov that many minutes.

This team is special and has character and a never say die attitude. We are missing just a couple of pieces to complete the puzzle for a legit Stanley Cup championship. I feel it would be folly to simply stand pat and wait for a successful season when we are in the midst of one.

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I've said it before, but to me, it will be when this team has a legit point per game #1 C on the roster.
Well, a good team with good depth will be just as good, just watch the Kings last year. Kopitar although very close, is not a PPG center. Bruins don't have that PPG center either when they won the cup.

I think we are not far that off from having a team capable of winning the cup. A big top 9 winger and a big top 4 D and everything can happen. If Price goes from decent to dominant, i really like our chance this season so I don't mind sacrificing a couple of picks or prospect to get the players we need. Not every 2nd pick will become a Subban.

I'm not saying we should trade all pick or get rid of Tinordi, Beaulieu or Kristo but if we can get a big piece, then why not. A team is manageable year after year but if we can play good hockey all year long and do well against top teams like Pittsburgh and the Bruins, then why not be more aggressive?

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Marc Bergervin isn't trading the future for a quick fix. In Chicago he helped build the team through draft. Don't forget Bergervin might do Lars Eller, 1st, 3x 2nd and 2x 3rds for a top 5 pick.
Put down that bong...6 picks and a top six forward for a top five pick

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That should be the players goal for sure. But you have to be freaking realistic about it. Should Florida be dealing away picks right now? No.

We're coming off a season where we were 15th. Now we're in 2nd. We're playing extremely well but I don't think it makes a whole lot of sense to sell off younger assets for short term gains. If we really are the real deal, we'll be contenders for the forseeable future. We've got a bunch of young players who are just starting to take off. I'd rather we just wait and see how we do. We can always be buyers next year.
I am realistic about it. I understand that different teams are in different positions, and the position the Habs are in is a lot different than the Panthers right now. If you're saying "we were 15th last year, we're 2nd this year" then isn't it possible we could go right back to the dumpster next year? And if we do, aren't we gonna be kicking ourselves that we didn't at least try to win the cup when we were in a position to? That's all I'm saying.

I'm not saying trade away our "young assets" like Beaulieu, Tinordi, Gallagher, etc.

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03-28-2013, 12:01 AM
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I've said it before, but to me, it will be when this team has a legit point per game #1 C on the roster.
Who's Boston's #1 centre? Krejci centres their #1 line. Seguin is probably their best centre. But they don't have a dominant # 1 centre.

They have a very solid team. Habs can add pieces to make their team into a solid allround team.

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Don't forget Bergervin might do Lars Eller, 1st, 3x 2nd and 2x 3rds for a top 5 pick.
I wouldn't even be mad

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At this point there aren't many openly available players leading up to TDD that would require 1st round picks or serious prospects. Iginla just went to the Pens. He was the biggest fish this year and he is off the market. Now, why wouldn't Bergevin attempt some calculated moves to make our team better and possibly make a run? We have a lot of depth as an organization. Who knows what will happen next year. Who knows if we will be sitting in second spot at this time? There could be injuries, players can have off seasons, etc. there are ways to give our team a legitimate shot today without mortgaging the future. I say go for it.

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I guess people aren't counting Cole for Ryder and claiming Halpern. Two significant upgrades.

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I am realistic about it. I understand that different teams are in different positions, and the position the Habs are in is a lot different than the Panthers right now. If you're saying "we were 15th last year, we're 2nd this year" then isn't it possible we could go right back to the dumpster next year? And if we do, aren't we gonna be kicking ourselves that we didn't at least try to win the cup when we were in a position to? That's all I'm saying.

I'm not saying trade away our "young assets" like Beaulieu, Tinordi, Gallagher, etc.
We're a young and upcoming team. It doesn't make sense to do this now, esp in a year where the draft is as deep as it is. If anything, I'd prefer to hang on to those extra 2nds and try to move up in the draft.

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I guess people aren't counting Cole for Ryder and claiming Halpern. Two significant upgrades.
Halpern we got him for nothing
Ryder came along with a 3rd for a player who didn't want to play anymore, so people don't count it as giving up our future for a better player (What a steal by Bergevin on this one so far)

Also, I don't think Bergevin is ready to gamble our future yet, this year is the year he gets a good look at what we have, maybe next year, if by trade deadline we are still at the same stage, he will pull a big trade for help

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Who's Boston's #1 centre? Krejci centres their #1 line. Seguin is probably their best centre. But they don't have a dominant # 1 centre.

They have a very solid team. Habs can add pieces to make their team into a solid allround team.
Seguin does not play center on the Bruins and I would argue that Bergeron is their best center.

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You have to see how this team responds in the play-offs before you start mortgaging the future.

Do you want to be the Calgary Flames?

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If we stand pat this year and next.. We could be very good in 2 years. The most I want to see this year is Max a 2nd rounder + no name prospect dealt.

- Galchenyuk could turn into a star.
- Gallagher will continue to improve.

-guys like Kristo and Collberg could be in the lineup producing.
- At least one of Ellis, Dietz, Beaulieu, Tinordi will develop into a top 4.

-We'll have lots of prospects in our cupboard after this years draft.

edit: **** it, lets go get something. lol I want to win now


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Great OP there is a window right now where the team has two number 1 defenceman. Two ****ing fantastic defenceman. Next year will probably be Markov's last great year before he starts to decline into more of a specialist and a lower minute guy. There are enough draft picks and young forward depth to sacrifice some of it for a guy that gives the team the best defence in the East. The names are all over the board, hopefully a deal is made because it could be very very very beneficial to the team.

It's hardly mortgaging the future, it's just being aggressive when there's an opportunity and seizing it for a small risk, a risk that the team has covered (look at the youth of the forwards on the team, many haven't even hit their prime). Things look good, take a step MB and make them look even better.

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Great OP there is a window right now where the team has two number 1 defenceman. Two ****ing fantastic defenceman. Next year will probably be Markov's last great year before he starts to decline into more of a specialist and a lower minute guy. There are enough draft picks and young forward depth to sacrifice some of it for a guy that gives the team the best defence in the East. The names are all over the board, hopefully a deal is made because it could be very very very beneficial to the team.

It's hardly mortgaging the future, it's just being aggressive when there's an opportunity and seizing it for a small risk, a risk that the team has covered (look at the youth of the forwards on the team, many haven't even hit their prime). Things look good, take a step MB and make them look even better.
This. Thank you.

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03-28-2013, 09:29 AM
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Just like making a good chili. Add this, taste it, I like it, but it could use this. Now taste it, alright we got some zing, but it could really use that. Then throw it in the freezer for a couple months and see how it really turns out. Could be just okay, but it could be amzaing.

If it's the former, you can always make new chili in the summer with some new and different imported spices, or even better, tryout those home grown peppers you planted last fall.

Wow I really confused myself, and really want chili bad.
Anyways point is, no major trades, keep the core and tweak what we have to.

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Well, a good team with good depth will be just as good, just watch the Kings last year. Kopitar although very close, is not a PPG center.
In my books he is. A point per game C doesn't mean he HAS to be at 82 points or more in 82 games. 75-80 points over 82 fits.

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It bugs me when people want to "wait"... Wait for what? Draft picks from this season will most likely NOT make an impact until the majority of this team is no longer here (5-6 years). This year's draft is not going help us build a contender. We are closer now than we will be later.

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We shoudl solidify our defense and add a big body and go with this team. We are almost in cap heaven this summer.

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When Bergevin got hired, he explained to Molson he had a X years plan.

However, everything seems to go the Habs way this year, even with the holes that need to be patched.

But with a team in overgear, Bergevin shouldn't change his vision of the future. Things have changed, but there is still a plan in motion for the next 4 years (Bergevin's contract).

Therrien and co. are testing Tinordi, Pateryn, Dumont and others to see if they can fill a role now and NEXT YEAR. Right now, our Prospects are analyzed and you can expect some of them to be traded once Bergevin and his staff know that they have someone else (better) to fill that spot.

I don't think Bergevin will sacrifice a player he has not fully evaluated for a rental this year.

If Tinordi can be the big shutdown Dman, great !
Halpern gives us a 70% Right Handed Face off man for Pkill and 4th line.
Prust, Bourque and Diaz will come back in the future, and they will be assets.

If anything, I think the players who might be traded are already with the main team, and not in the juniors/Hamilton. A player like White comes to mind (although I think White can have a bright future as a physical Lapierre type if he becomes smarter).

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It's just like the 9ers over the past few years. Talent was there but coaching was not. The team was expected to rebuild...they had a question mark at QB with Smith. Well, the team goes 13-3 and to the NFCCG. The next year they go 12-4 and to the Super Bowl.

My point is...Bergevin had a plan....but things have changed. Do we go all in and trade our core or our top prospects? No. But we should make some moves to improve the team's chances for a cup. Standing pat is simply silly.

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