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03-27-2013, 10:54 PM
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Cherry isn't much different (and certainly no better or more intelligent) than Stephen A. Smith, Skip Bayless, Tony Kornheiser, Michael Wilson, Max Kellerman, Jim Rome, or any other obnoxious sports television blowhard. The difference is that unlike those idiots, he's got a loyal cadre of fans (largely of the same political persuasions, ignorant backgrounds, or sheltered worldviews) that hang off his every word and regard him seriously (despite protestations that they don't), whereas all the aforementioned idiots on ESPN are almost universally mocked and regarded as morons by almost all sports fans.

In short, the reverence for Cherry (which reached absurd levels with that horrific "greatest Canadians" poll - you would never see a moron like Skip Bayless finish anywhere in a "greatest Americans" polls) is largely a by-product of the sheltered, parochial nature of the uneducated, rural Canadian sports fan; i.e. the type of person who is not exposed to any moron of the same sort as Cherry other than maybe Pierre McGuire and/or the other idiots that populate CBC's broadcasts (namely Healy, Milbury, and Stock). A little perspective (specifically, exposure to how debase and ridiculous television sports punditry has become in the past few years) would undoubtedly lead to the conclusion that Cherry is just another loud voice in a sea of television idiocy.


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Cherry isn't much different (and certainly no better or more intelligent) than Stephen A. Smith, Skip Bayless, Tony Kornheiser, Michael Wilson, Max Kellerman, Jim Rome, or any other obnoxious sports television blowhard. The difference is that unlike those idiots, he's got a loyal cadre of fans (largely of the same political persuasions, ignorant backgrounds, or sheltered worldviews) that hang off his every word and regard him seriously (despite protestations that they don't), whereas all the aforementioned idiots on ESPN are almost universally mocked and regarded as morons by almost all sports fans.

In short, the reverence for Cherry (which reached absurd levels with that horrific "greatest Canadians" poll - you would never see a moron like Skip Bayless finish anywhere in a "greatest Americans" polls) is largely a by-product of the sheltered, parochial nature of the uneducated, rural Canadian sports fan; i.e. the type of person who is not exposed to any moron of the same sort as Cherry other than maybe Pierre McGuire and/or the other idiots that populate CBC's broadcasts (namely Healy, Milbury, and Stock). A little perspective (specifically, exposure to how debase and ridiculous television sports punditry has become in the past few years) would undoubtedly lead to the conclusion that Cherry is just another loud voice in a sea of television idiocy.
Your post is an insult directed at rural Canadians, which in and of itself is a contradiction of what you pretend to stand for.

Hypocrisy.

I bet I am more educated than 95% of the people on this board, and I live in a community of 800. I am proud of that. I can't believe I just read what I read, frankly.


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Your post is a not so thinly veiled insult directed at Canadians, which in and of itself is a contradiction of what you pretend to stand for.

Hypocrisy.
Only at those who hang off the mindless drivel that spew out of Cherry's mouth and regard him as some kind of icon, which is a small (yet loud and obnoxious) portion of the overall Canadian population (the vast majority of which do not agree with his ignorant, bigoted, and divise opinions). He's a sports shock jock who has accrued a following consisting of those who don't realize there are enough other similar hucksters out there on the airwaves (albeit mostly on American cable television and radio) so that his entire act is just tiresome and derivative.

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Only at those who hang off the mindless drivel that spew out of Cherry's mouth and regard him as some kind of icon, which is a small (yet loud and obnoxious) portion of the overall Canadian population (the vast majority of which do not agree with his ignorant, bigoted, and divise opinions). He's a sports shock jock who has accrued a following consisting of those who don't realize there are enough other similar hucksters out there on the airwaves (albeit mostly on American cable television and radio) so that his entire act is just tiresome and derivative.
Yet your ignorant, bigoted remarks are somehow better?

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03-28-2013, 12:21 AM
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Yet your ignorant, bigoted remarks are somehow better?
My comments are simply calling Cherry out for what he is: an ignorant, bigoted, xenophobic, shock jock who is no different than the multitude of similar individuals who populate the sports media these days and get ample airtime on ESPN First Take and other similar programming. Coach's Corner is essentially a troll show, like a segment of First Take between commercials, that far too many people take seriously.

The only difference between Cherry and Stephen A. Smith is that absolutely no one regards Smith as being anything more than a live-action internet troll, whereas Cherry's fans see him as some sort of hero.

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Actually. Cherry is worse than any American TV shock host (save Rush Limbaugh and the like) because none of the idiots who appear on ESPN are advocating deploying soldiers to dangerous theaters of war where they will get killed. In that respect, Cherry is more like Ted Nugent and other chickenhawk cowards.

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My comments are simply calling Cherry out for what he is: an ignorant, bigoted, xenophobic, shock jock who is no different than the multitude of similar individuals who populate the sports media these days and get ample airtime on ESPN First Take and other similar programming. Coach's Corner is essentially a troll show, like a segment of First Take between commercials, that far too many people take seriously.

The only difference between Cherry and Stephen A. Smith is that absolutely no one regards Smith as being anything more than a live-action internet troll, whereas Cherry's fans see him as some sort of hero.
I honestly don't care what you think of Cherry. I am currently more interested in your description of rural Canadians, and how that fits in with your enlightened, urban, educated worldview.

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I honestly don't care what you think of Cherry.
It's quite obvious you do, but keep pretending otherwise. If you didn't, you wouldn't jump on every post that speaks negatively of him or his programming (such as the benign humor in the last thread about the "chipmunk").

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I am currently more interested in your description of rural Canadians, and how that fits in with your enlightened, urban, educated worldview.
I'll move this to the Politics Board since it's more appropriate there (despite the fact that Cherry can't keep his own politics off of the show).

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03-28-2013, 12:39 AM
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It's quite obvious you do, but keep pretending otherwise. If you didn't, you wouldn't jump on every post that speaks negatively of him or his programming (such as the benign humor in the last thread about the "chipmunk").



I'll move this to the Politics Board since it's more appropriate there (despite the fact that Cherry can't keep his own politics off of the show).
Maybe some other time. I just found out Iginla became a Penguin. I have some celebrating to do!!!

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Maybe some other time. I just found out Iginla became a Penguin. I have some celebrating to do!!!
Not exactly shocking to see bandwagon 2005 Penguins fans celebrating that.

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Not exactly shocking to see bandwagon 2005 Penguins fans celebrating that.
I'm actually an Oiler fan first, but I like Crosby and Iginla is another one of my favourite players. Happy they are playing together, like when they teamed up to beat the Americans in the Olympics and took the gold medal.

After all, us uneducated, ign'rent folks out here in hicksville like to watch them good ol' Canadian boys on our motion picture boxes.

Embrace happiness.


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Canadians are not inherently smarter, but maybe we understand Cherry better than people from other countries.

Chris Rock says far more racist, vile things (in a certain context) than Cherry ever has on his worst night, and he is beloved by Americans as a terrific comedian. Are Americans not as bright or maybe are they in on a joke?

I would say that like Canadians with Cherry, they are in on the joke. Like Rock, there is a subtext that contains some truth, but it is presented in a ridiculous way for effect.

Grapes is not in it for the same kind of laughs, but do you think a guy who was completely serious would dress the way he does? Come on.

Those people who take what any of these commentators/comedians say seriously and apply it in a way to promote hate...I would suggest they didn't need much encouragement.


Chris Rock? Noooooo. Unlike Chris Rock, Cherry doesn't have an intelligent and thought provoking subtext. This is why Rock can get away with extremely vile comments, while Cherry is just seen as vile. Cherry's words are taken more at face value.

More to the point. If Canadians are more apt to understand Cherry, why all the controversy? Why have his words spawned government investigations? Why have there been protests by segments of the population against him? Why have former NHLers threatened to sue him?

People like to be outraged for entertainment purposes, but Cherry's level of polarization does not exist unless (a) one is the greatest blowhard troll in history, (b) one's p.o.v. legitimately rubs many people the wrong way (c) many people do not understand your humor. One needn't be a Canadian, American, or Martian to understand this.

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More to the point. If Canadians are more apt to understand Cherry, why all the controversy? Why have his words spawned government investigations? Why have there been protests by segments of the population against him? Why have former NHLers threatened to sue him?
Yes, he is so maligned that he was chosen as Canada's 7th Greatest Canadian. And just so Epsilon doesn't come on here and blame that on us ignorant townsfolk out here in hay-chuckin', uneducated Saskie, the top Canadian was a left-wing socialist from my home province who implemented the healthcare system that your country can't seem to rally around (but yet is one that the right wing blowhard Donald S. Cherry certainly does). Isn't that interesting?

Perhaps the reason those two names can coexist on that list in Canada (as well as three other small and capital L liberals in the top six, along with a true athletic hero - not a steroid abusing Lance Armstrong type) is because we do not look at people as black or white, either politically or literally. We look at what the person truly stands for and past the surface, and not get stuck on some outlandish statement he might make to get people like you riled up for our collective amusement.

If in fact people in the United States or anywhere else can't seperate figurative comments of farce made for purposes of entertainment from encompassing and definitive declarations of worldview, then I suggest you re-examine your educational system. Our young people are not so delicately educated that they only understand literal statements. It is more an indictment of your collective naiveté than it is our down-home, uneducated ignorance that Epsilon so poignantly generalized about.

If there are people out there taking what Don Cherry says every Saturday night and in turn they are using it to support a xenophobic, homophobic, jingoistic and racist agenda...I am not seeing evidence of that in Canada. Not even in my uneducated neck of the (back)woods.

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03-28-2013, 11:44 AM
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Very good post.

This is an intelligent use of the mirror tactic, also known as pot to kettle.

Congrats.


Where did you get the bolded part from?

I should have copyrighted that...

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Yes, he is so maligned that he was chosen as Canada's 7th Greatest Canadian. And just so Epsilon doesn't come on here and blame that on us ignorant townsfolk out here in hay-chuckin', uneducated Saskie, the top Canadian was a left-wing socialist from my home province who implemented the healthcare system that your country can't seem to rally around (but yet is one that the right wing blowhard Donald S. Cherry certainly does). Isn't that interesting?.
Don Cherry is the 7th greatest Canadian? Holy Jesus Mary and Joseph that's just embarrassing. Probably something you shouldn't be toting to put Canadians in an intelligent light.

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Don Cherry is the 7th greatest Canadian? Holy Jesus Mary and Joseph that's just embarrassing. Probably something you shouldn't be toting to put Canadians in an intelligent light.
I am proud of it, because I have met the man and I know who he really is, not just what I see on TV.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Greatest_Canadian

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I am proud of it, because I have met the man and I know who he really is, not just what I see on TV.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Greatest_Canadian
Like I said, it's embarrassing if the 7th greatest person your country produced is Don Cherry.......or at least you guys think he's the 7th greatest person. Holy Lord, what's wrong with you guys..

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Like I said, it's embarrassing if the 7th greatest person your country produced is Don Cherry.......or at least you guys think he's the 7th greatest person. Holy Lord, what's wrong with you guys..
I'm sure most countries would have some curious names on such a list. Who do you suppose would be on your country's? No one eyebrow raising, I'm sure.

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I'm sure most countries would have some curious names on such a list. Who do you suppose would be on your country's? No one eyebrow raising, I'm sure.
Controversial sure, but these people are waaaaay beyond the influence and importance of Don friggin' Cherry.
Seriously, just that people think Cherry is in the same stratosphere as Canadians such as Frederick Banting, Tommy Douglas, Lester Pearson, Alexander Graham Bell, John Macdonald, Thomas D'Arcy McGee, Louis Riel, etc. is mind-blowing.
Who's next? Brett Hart and Pamela Anderson? Yikes!

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Controversial sure, but these people are waaaaay beyond the influence and importance of Don friggin' Cherry.
Seriously, just that people think Cherry is in the same stratosphere as Canadians such as Frederick Banting, Tommy Douglas, Lester Pearson, Alexander Graham Bell, John Macdonald, Thomas D'Arcy McGee, Louis Riel, etc. is mind-blowing.
Who's next? Brett Hart and Pamela Anderson? Yikes!
Come on now let's not sell Pam short. I'm betting she has been more influential in more males lives across the globe than most everyone else listed. Haha

The point was you want to mock it. But the fact is the guy has been a mainstay on the most popular television broadcast in their nation for years and years. How many kids grew up on it and how many now share it with their kids? Does better or worse you can't argue the influence the guy has had there. And he's a whole lot less harmless than some of the people through history that grace the list of some other countries greatest lists.

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I am proud of it, because I have met the man and I know who he really is, not just what I see on TV.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Greatest_Canadian
Pretty sure this is the same list that had the likes of Avril Lavigne and Pamela Anderson in the top 50.

Margaret Atwood at 71, wut?


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I look at Don Cherry in the same light as my elderly grand father who can't go five minutes without saying something raciest/politically incorrect. Sure most of the things he says don't make sense, are inappropriate, and a little bit crazy, but you grew up around the old guy, so just sit back and let him do his thing.

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Cherry isn't much different (and certainly no better or more intelligent) than Stephen A. Smith, Skip Bayless, Tony Kornheiser, Michael Wilson, Max Kellerman, Jim Rome, or any other obnoxious sports television blowhard. The difference is that unlike those idiots, he's got a loyal cadre of fans (largely of the same political persuasions, ignorant backgrounds, or sheltered worldviews) that hang off his every word and regard him seriously (despite protestations that they don't), whereas all the aforementioned idiots on ESPN are almost universally mocked and regarded as morons by almost all sports fans.

In short, the reverence for Cherry (which reached absurd levels with that horrific "greatest Canadians" poll - you would never see a moron like Skip Bayless finish anywhere in a "greatest Americans" polls) is largely a by-product of the sheltered, parochial nature of the uneducated, rural Canadian sports fan; i.e. the type of person who is not exposed to any moron of the same sort as Cherry other than maybe Pierre McGuire and/or the other idiots that populate CBC's broadcasts (namely Healy, Milbury, and Stock). A little perspective (specifically, exposure to how debase and ridiculous television sports punditry has become in the past few years) would undoubtedly lead to the conclusion that Cherry is just another loud voice in a sea of television idiocy.
<- The most ignorant and arrogant post I have seen on these forums for a long, long while.

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Now, why would you say Bill O'Reilly and not Keith Olberman, Rachel Maddow or Bill Mahar?
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Because O'Reilly is the first bigot who came to mind. O'Reilly, Olberman, Maddow, Mahar, they're all the same.
Bill O'Reilly, Keith Olbermann, Rachel Maddow, Bill Maher, Sean Hannity, Greta Von Susteren etc. are opposite sides of the same coin.

Some of them really are bigots, others just play to the prejudices of their constituents, like Cherry does.

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Canadians are not inherently smarter, but maybe we understand Cherry better than people from other countries.

Chris Rock says far more racist, vile things (in a certain context) than Cherry ever has on his worst night, and he is beloved by Americans as a terrific comedian. Are Americans not as bright or maybe are they in on a joke?

I would say that like Canadians with Cherry, they are in on the joke. Like Rock, there is a subtext that contains some truth, but it is presented in a ridiculous way for effect.

Grapes is not in it for the same kind of laughs, but do you think a guy who was completely serious would dress the way he does? Come on.

Those people who take what any of these commentators/comedians say seriously and apply it in a way to promote hate...I would suggest they didn't need much encouragement.


Very good post, especially the bolded part.

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In short, the reverence for Cherry (which reached absurd levels with that horrific "greatest Canadians" poll - you would never see a moron like Skip Bayless finish anywhere in a "greatest Americans" polls) is largely a by-product of the sheltered, parochial nature of the uneducated, rural Canadian sports fan; i.e. the type of person who is not exposed to any moron of the same sort as Cherry other than maybe Pierre McGuire and/or the other idiots that populate CBC's broadcasts (namely Healy, Milbury, and Stock). A little perspective (specifically, exposure to how debase and ridiculous television sports punditry has become in the past few years) would undoubtedly lead to the conclusion that Cherry is just another loud voice in a sea of television idiocy.


You may have noted that I'm on your side of the fence on most issues, but you're really wrong here.

Don't apply the simplistic American stereotypes on your northern neighbours.

Most Canadians are middle-of-the-road, a little bit to the right, a little bit to the left.

There are much less extremists (ultra right or left, religious right, anarchists, anti-government, militia type) than in the US, in my opinion.

We pretty much try to agree on a compromise on most issues.

But I might be wrong, eh...

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Watch Don Cherry's Grapevine on youtube and you might have a different opinion of the guy.

Coach's Corner is just supposed to be entertainment with a little bit of reality thrown in for effect.

Some of his comments and opinions do have merit if anyone cares to admit ti or not.More than one NHL player has taken his advice.

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