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03-24-2013, 01:18 PM
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I am starting to worry however that his offensive game is not going to develop to the extent that we thought it might. I really expected more from him upon his return to the lineup.

I still think he will end up being a very valuable player for us, but I was hoping for a dynamic 2 way player and I'm starting to wonder if that will happen.
he doesn't have a great shot, so i'm not sure that expecting him to produce points with the linemates he's been put with is realistic.

I think it's fair though that one might think he'd be nothing more than an average offensive player who's strong defensively.

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03-27-2013, 10:49 PM
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1st post here, been lurking for a while, and over that lurking period, from what I've read around here I think too much is being made of him "not having a shot". Last game he actually fired a few with some velocity, and if you go back to last season he had a few memorable snipes with a bit of power. When he shoots with confidence it is not weak, in my opinion.

Also, on the previous page someone said they hoped to see Kane/Scheiefele/Burmi in the future, and I love that. Burmi always seems to naturally find himself along the right side, it seems like he feels comfortable there. I don't see what the big deal about him being off-wing is either. It gives him better shooting angles, which I think benefits a guy like him.

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03-27-2013, 11:12 PM
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1st post here, been lurking for a while, and over that lurking period, from what I've read around here I think too much is being made of him "not having a shot". Last game he actually fired a few with some velocity, and if you go back to last season he had a few memorable snipes with a bit of power. When he shoots with confidence it is not weak, in my opinion.

Also, on the previous page someone said they hoped to see Kane/Scheiefele/Burmi in the future, and I love that. Burmi always seems to naturally find himself along the right side, it seems like he feels comfortable there. I don't see what the big deal about him being off-wing is either. It gives him better shooting angles, which I think benefits a guy like him.
Welcome...and good first post.

I agree, he did shoot with some heat behind his shots last game. I have said it before, the best thing the Jets management could do is get him to Gary Roberts for the summer and have him pack on 10lbs of meat. He has the skill, he is ripped but his body needs more muscle mass. His shot accuracy is good, he just needs more meat for the heat on his shot (that's what she said).
I think that Scheifele would be that bridge of North South with Kane and Burmi's east west tendencies. Burmi has been making recent strides @ North South but they are never going to totally break his East/West instinct...but perhaps hybrid him to a Northwest/Southeast if he is on the RW.
I can imagine the chaos that line would cause for the opposing line and defenesemen.

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03-28-2013, 01:21 AM
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I really hope he starts to develop some offensive consistency to his game. That will silence a lot of the naysayers and will help this team greatly. Imagine if he could pot 20 and 45 -50 pts. This team needs that offensive support.

Until then though, I fear management will sour on him and move him out for someone proven or get a high draft pick and get a player they like better.

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03-28-2013, 01:50 AM
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Welcome...and good first post.

I agree, he did shoot with some heat behind his shots last game. I have said it before, the best thing the Jets management could do is get him to Gary Roberts for the summer and have him pack on 10lbs of meat. He has the skill, he is ripped but his body needs more muscle mass. His shot accuracy is good, he just needs more meat for the heat on his shot (that's what she said).
I think that Scheifele would be that bridge of North South with Kane and Burmi's east west tendencies. Burmi has been making recent strides @ North South but they are never going to totally break his East/West instinct...but perhaps hybrid him to a Northwest/Southeast if he is on the RW.
I can imagine the chaos that line would cause for the opposing line and defenesemen.
Thanks!

And I agree with what you said about Scheifele being the bridge. I also feel even just playing with those guys the points will come for Burmi, with less pressure.

I think playing with Kane for the period he did this year put too much pressure on him. He was suddenly on the second line with Kane, and no one. Antro isn't a second liner at all, and the pressure was on him to set up Kane as well as score himself, and he's not ready to shoulder that. I would have liked to see him on the third line with Antro and Wellwood, and still would. Less pressure to score, he can play his defensive game, and play with two veterans while he learns and develops, and playing with Wellwood couldn't hurt his chances at scoring some goals. Right now though, I cringe seeing him out there with Thorburn lol. But that's my two cents.

Ultimately though, I do think he's a RW'er. His confidence is at it's highest when he's streaking down the ice outside, and I've noticed he's less likely to go East/West from the outside.

Like you said he's been making strides in that area, hopefully last game was a sign of things to come!

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03-28-2013, 08:52 AM
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1st post here, been lurking for a while, and over that lurking period, from what I've read around here I think too much is being made of him "not having a shot". Last game he actually fired a few with some velocity, and if you go back to last season he had a few memorable snipes with a bit of power. When he shoots with confidence it is not weak, in my opinion.

Also, on the previous page someone said they hoped to see Kane/Scheiefele/Burmi in the future, and I love that. Burmi always seems to naturally find himself along the right side, it seems like he feels comfortable there. I don't see what the big deal about him being off-wing is either. It gives him better shooting angles, which I think benefits a guy like him.
His shot is average to below average, pretty slow release, poor accuracy.

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03-28-2013, 10:05 AM
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His shot is average to below average, pretty slow release, poor accuracy.
I agree. In fact, although I don't know how the Jets' shooting percentage stacks up across the league, it seems that they could use a few more players with excellent shooting skills. Scheifele and Trouba look like they might bring some improvement in that department.

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I agree. In fact, although I don't know how the Jets' shooting percentage stacks up across the league, it seems that they could use a few more players with excellent shooting skills. Scheifele and Trouba look like they might bring some improvement in that department.
5v5 sh% - 8.1%
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http://www.behindthenet.ca/nhl_team_...8+19+20+21+22#

Although, it's been shown that only generational talents can cause sustained team shooting percentages... In the NHL currently the only one shown sustained OnIce-Sh% is Malkin, Crosby and Stamkos and that only increases the team while they're on the ice (obviously).
Remember every team has fourth line plugs and defensemen shooting all the way from the blueline.
That's why high team sh% is usually a sign of a team over performing.

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03-28-2013, 11:59 AM
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I agree. In fact, although I don't know how the Jets' shooting percentage stacks up across the league, it seems that they could use a few more players with excellent shooting skills. Scheifele and Trouba look like they might bring some improvement in that department.




These aren't exactly goals from someone with a bad shot.

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03-28-2013, 12:08 PM
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Burmistrov has the ability to snipe some pretty nasty goals, unfortunately he doesn't get in good shooting positions very often because he tries to be more of a playmaker and his sound 2-way game doesn't fit well with being a sniper.

AND he lacks confidence in his shots unfortunately.

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03-28-2013, 12:20 PM
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Burmistrov has the ability to snipe some pretty nasty goals, unfortunately he doesn't get in good shooting positions very often because he tries to be more of a playmaker and his sound 2-way game doesn't fit well with being a sniper.

AND he lacks confidence in his shots unfortunately.
More or less, yes. In time it'll all come around.

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03-28-2013, 12:34 PM
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More or less, yes. In time it'll all come around.
(I think) I remember some of the big Colt fans on our board were saying that Burmistrov was thought of a great shot in his junior days. It's interesting to see how things change.

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03-28-2013, 12:37 PM
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Just timing maybe. Seems he either lets it go from too far out, or waits too long and gets in too close and the angles are gone.

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Just timing maybe. Seems he either lets it go from too far out, or waits too long and gets in too close and the angles are gone.
I think that's spot on. He does have a great wrister, but unlike Kane and Ladd, he takes FAR too long to release it. They have great shots, and release them so quickly that there's also an element of surprise.

Similar to what Scheifele has done with his shot this year: hard, quick release at the net.

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He is like TOR's Nazem Kadri without the physicality or chirpiness.

Nifty mittens, likes to dangle, great at take-aways and maintaining possession, defensively sound. Could do more offensively, has the tools for the job, but overall, no negative aspects to the game.

I am assuming he is in Noel's doghouse because of either off-ice reasons or he disagreed with the coach on something.

There was a blog on behindthenet.ca recently extolling the advanced stats on Burmi. He has great stats all-around, supporting the claim of on-ice possession and not only that, but 14 of the 16 Jets players he has the most ice-time with this season have better stats in all categories when on the ice with Burmistrov compared to playing without him.

In summary, Burmistrov is a great asset to the team, with a lot of his benefits coming in the form of "smart" plays rather than direct contributions in terms of goals. He's only 21 too, so he has a long future in the NHL in store for him.

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(I think) I remember some of the big Colt fans on our board were saying that Burmistrov was thought of a great shot in his junior days. It's interesting to see how things change.
A big shot in junior hockey is a lot different than a big shot at the pro level. Watching Burmi shoot I see a guy pushing the puck.

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I think that's spot on. He does have a great wrister, but unlike Kane and Ladd, he takes FAR too long to release it. They have great shots, and release them so quickly that there's also an element of surprise.

Similar to what Scheifele has done with his shot this year: hard, quick release at the net.
Agreed.

Last game though; he had a quick release off a wrister, more instinctual shot vs. putting the lean on and holding it for 2 seconds. He needs to start shooting smartly and more often rather than looking for the play all the time. Take a page from Kaner and be a little greedier.
Where the Jet's have found a little more success this year is less attempts at multiple pass plays when there was a good shot to be had. They do it still, but thankfully it does not seem nearly as often.

I think by this point next year we will see an improvement...providing he does not get dealt...I would not be surprised to see 40+ point year from him if he is inserted in a stable line...perhaps more if he is Kane/TheSheif/Burmi line.
Love that idea...

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(I think) I remember some of the big Colt fans on our board were saying that Burmistrov was thought of a great shot in his junior days. It's interesting to see how things change.
Perception is reality. Just because people "think" his shot sucks, doesn't mean it does. It's not his accuracy or power that is the problem, but, like others are saying, perhaps timing.

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We haven't spoken about Burmistrov in quite some time.

So hear me out here:

I love Alexander Burmistrov. I'm a big fan of his as he was the first first round pick the Thrashers had after I started being a true following fan of the franchise. He looked so promising in his first season and surely was underused in his last year before he left to the K.

I had high hopes for him. Him being older, more mature and working under a coach who knows how to handle a player like Burmistrov after his time in the K. I was pretty silent about Burmi all season because I knew I would always have a biased opinion about Burmi. In my opinion, he officially failed and I'm willing to admit that this team has not much to no use for him on the long run. And seriously, saying this does actually hurt. You want to see your special guys succeed and be a vital part of your team. But it's just not happening. I don't know what happend to him or changed.

I don't want him on the roster for next season. I would really like to see him dealt to Detroit in the summer. I think working with his idole Pavel Datsyuk could be the only thing saving his NHL career.

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I had some high hopes for Burmi upon his return to the JETS but have been pretty disappointed so far in what he has brought. He seems to be a black hole of sorts for his line mates, almost Stafford ish who I feel is also a black hole for his line mates.

Wouldn't be opposed to moving Burmi for whatever we could get for him. I don't really see him being here past this season. I think if he could be sent to the AHL that he would be.

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I have no idea what the heck happened to him. He's barely an NHL player now.

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I'm skeptical of this myself but a very big KHL fan replied to me saying:

"The Zinetula Bilyaletdinov effect. Such an overrated coach."

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I think Burmi has an identity crisis on the ice, He's not sure what he wants to be out there. He wants to dangle like Datsyuk at times. He also doesn't really use his line mates very well.

Oh well tho, can't blame the Jets for trying with him, he did have some pretty big potential at one point, but... at this time, I think he's as good as gone this off season or sooner.

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He's very James Wright - like. Does a lot of things very good, but cannot get points Goals or Assists.

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