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03-28-2013, 10:49 AM
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As a Bruins fan its been pretty shocking to see how nonchalant Habs fans have been about this season. This Montreal team is the best I've seen in my lifetime, and all the fans want to stand pat...special stuff like this doesn't happen every year and there's no guarantee you'll ever be any closer to the goal than you are right now.

If there's a Habs-Bs series it'd be at worst even chances for you guys. Pittsburgh would be favored against anyone but if all you have to do is upset ONE team to make it to the SCF (one that you've upset in the playoffs before, no less?) then that's a pretty damn good place to be.

I'm not saying you should mortgage your future as I don't think any team should really do that for what is always a low-percentage play. But it would be very strange if you made no moves at all given how close you are to the promised land

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I'm not saying you should mortgage your future as I don't think any team should really do that for what is always a low-percentage play. But it would be very strange if you made no moves at all given how close you are to the promised land
The problem is that the players avalaible have teams that ask for future prospects.
And both BOS and MTL dont have dumb GM's like Feaster who trade Iginla for 2 *unknowns*.

For example, Sharks will ask for a 1st round draftee or a Timmins late round magic pick for Clowe.

The unavalaible ones (like Talbot and Clarkson) will cost much more.

That's why Bergevin is not moving, and I like it that way. He made free moves by grabbing Halpern and stole Ryder and his contract from Dallas, without touching our youth.

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It's just like the 9ers over the past few years. Talent was there but coaching was not. The team was expected to rebuild...they had a question mark at QB with Smith. Well, the team goes 13-3 and to the NFCCG. The next year they go 12-4 and to the Super Bowl.

My point is...Bergevin had a plan....but things have changed. Do we go all in and trade our core or our top prospects? No. But we should make some moves to improve the team's chances for a cup. Standing pat is simply silly.
Why?

The team is winning as is. What's the need to do anything here? Just let them play. We'll have the same young core next year.

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It bugs me when people want to "wait"... Wait for what? Draft picks from this season will most likely NOT make an impact until the majority of this team is no longer here (5-6 years). This year's draft is not going help us build a contender. We are closer now than we will be later.
That's the point to wanting to wait...

Think about it, you suggest that the team won't be as good next season/going forward yet somehow have faith this same group of players are good enough now to be a cup contenders. If the team is a legit cup contender now, it sure as hell should be 6 months from now.

As you suggest, there is little certainty that the team is 'real' enough to have that sustainable success going forward. If this team is just on some hot streak and will struggle next season, overpaying now for a deadline rental will do very little in propelling this club towards a cup. Hot streak cup wins are far too rare.

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As a Bruins fan its been pretty shocking to see how nonchalant Habs fans have been about this season. This Montreal team is the best I've seen in my lifetime, and all the fans want to stand pat...special stuff like this doesn't happen every year and there's no guarantee you'll ever be any closer to the goal than you are right now.

If there's a Habs-Bs series it'd be at worst even chances for you guys. Pittsburgh would be favored against anyone but if all you have to do is upset ONE team to make it to the SCF (one that you've upset in the playoffs before, no less?) then that's a pretty damn good place to be.

I'm not saying you should mortgage your future as I don't think any team should really do that for what is always a low-percentage play. But it would be very strange if you made no moves at all given how close you are to the promised land
Yah but it's not just one team to the cup....we end up with toronto first round and that's a coin toss no matter where we finish...then there's boston..and then there's pittsburgh...and what if the rangers aren't the team they look like now. I'd love to bulk up a little bit...but only if the longterm value is equal to or greater than what we're giving up. If we get ryane clowe and if he helps us in the playoffs and if he resigns and if he becomes his former self...he;s probabley still not worth a first rounder in this draft...it's a deep deep draft.

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03-28-2013, 11:42 AM
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Marc Bergervin isn't trading the future for a quick fix. In Chicago he helped build the team through draft. Don't forget Bergervin might do Lars Eller, 1st, 3x 2nd and 2x 3rds for a top 5 pick.
The Habs need upgrades at more than one position. Keeping Eller + those 6 picks might prove better for the Habs in the long run, not to mention that they could be used as components in several trades.

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03-28-2013, 11:47 AM
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Imho the team is not on some kind of hot streak. We have shown a lot of resilience, competitiveness and fortitude. I think the the team has a short window here with Markov being the player that window hinges on. we have seen a slight regression in his over speed but he still has the offensive vision and great passing and hockey IQ to make up for his declining speed. We have 2 PMD that are in the top ten in D scoring. We have a couple of needs to make a cup run this season and next season.

1. A tough, crease clearing but mobile, minute eating stay at home D ( Gorges is not this guy )

2. One top 6 power forward. We have one on the shelf though in Borque.

So with these needs filled I believe we could go deep this season and next season. We only need to trade for one guy, a d-man. I don't think we have one that is ready in Hamilton that can play 20 hard minutes. Diaz is not that guy.

I don't think it is mortgaging the future to give up a pick and a prospect now to get this stay at home D. We have a bunch of players that if they continue to progress there will be a log jam of guys ready to play in the NHL but not enough roster spots for all of them. We also have a couple extra PMD hanging around not even playing right now that could be flipped into a stay at home D.
(Weber/Kaberle )

At the end of the day, we should look to capitalize on our situation now while still bringing along all the players we like.

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It all depends on what your definition of mortaging the future is. For some trading a 2nd round pick is mortaging the future.

Pittsburgh has already gone all in this year so we shouldn't target big name rentals but trading a 2nd or B-level prospect to shore up a weakness is fine by me. I also wouldn't be against trading a 1st and/or top prospect for a good player with several years still on their contracts. There are several teams that are debating blowing it and/or will want to shed salary for next years cap those are the teams we should be targetting.

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As a Bruins fan its been pretty shocking to see how nonchalant Habs fans have been about this season. This Montreal team is the best I've seen in my lifetime, and all the fans want to stand pat...special stuff like this doesn't happen every year and there's no guarantee you'll ever be any closer to the goal than you are right now.

If there's a Habs-Bs series it'd be at worst even chances for you guys. Pittsburgh would be favored against anyone but if all you have to do is upset ONE team to make it to the SCF (one that you've upset in the playoffs before, no less?) then that's a pretty damn good place to be.

I'm not saying you should mortgage your future as I don't think any team should really do that for what is always a low-percentage play. But it would be very strange if you made no moves at all given how close you are to the promised land
Great post. It baffles me as well.

Too much love for picks/prospects and thinking that the future looks bright. The present looks so bright that some people are blinded.

In two/three years we will have the same discussion. Can't give away prospects/picks. The future looks too bright.

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I blame ESPN for giving us 24 hour sports coverage that we have a TradeCentre Deadline Month. There was a time when that day came and went and we didn't even notice.

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03-28-2013, 12:05 PM
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You need to start making the difference between 1 game here and there, and a full series. You also need to take into consideration that in a strange calendar like we're having, we might not be as bad as our worst games due to fatigue, but we might not be as great as we look due to other teams' fatigue as well. And we don't compete against the other conference. So yes...it is a freakin fake season. So going all in and send every pick and prospect for this season with maybe mostly rentals don't cut it. With proper management, you might have a chance to either try to win it all this year.....or build a team so you'd be a contender for the next 10 years. 'Cause don,t kid yourself...Boston is build for the next 10 years as well. They do have some depth. And nobody think Pittsburgh will be easier to play against in the following years. So I choose a wise management over a panicking one.
Exactly.

I'll add that the only key pieces that will regress in 3-4 years are Markov and Gionta. I see Markov staying a good 2nd pairing defenseman and PP specialist with his vision for that long if his knee hold up. Gionta, we can easily replace him.

On the other end, every other key piece will only get better and better. Plus we will still be having a influx of prospects with the awesome drafting staff we have, for when it is really time to go all-in.

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If the team is already good, what are we waiting for?

There's only one team throwing their weight around to go all in this year. Pittsburgh. So far no other contender has made dramatic moves.

Chemistry matters. Unlike the Penguins, we don't rely on the best player in the game to make everything happen. Even if we mortgaged our future for role players like Clowe won't do much to change what this team is. At best he'd make us miss Bourque more.

We can afford to move a pick or two if a good opportunity arises. But the trade deadline is being horriby overrated right now. How much did Gill and Kostitsyn do for the Preds last year?

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From the outside looking in MTL needs size and toughness. Not a goon, but at least one D man with size who can be reckoned with in your own end and a forward who can exchange hits with the best of them and still take a regular shift. You've got skill and scoring ability, which is the toughest thing to find, IMO, but you are getting bullied.

Another thread mentioned a possible trade for Clayton Stoner who plays D for my team, the Wild. By no means a great D man, but can take a regular shift. Big and strong enough to jostle with the big boys in front of the net, and can fight if it comes down to it.

A few other guys on the Wild who are somewhat gettable and would provide some of the above qualities.
- Clutterbuck
- hits anything that moves, fast, has an OK shot, plays PK. Will not back down, and can fight in a pinch.

Brodziak
- Big, tough, can play. Is used on PP occasionally to provide a screen in front of net. Was one of our best players last year, somewhat dissappointing this year. Might be hard to acquire.

Heatley
- he's big. He makes 7.5 M. He's yours.

Kenopka

- fighter, but a fighter who can take a regular 4th line shift due to his superb FO skills.

I think all of these players, or players like these, would help your team.

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From the outside looking in MTL needs size and toughness. Not a goon, but at least one D man with size who can be reckoned with in your own end and a forward who can exchange hits with the best of them and still take a regular shift. You've got skill and scoring ability, which is the toughest thing to find, IMO, but you are getting bullied.

Another thread mentioned a possible trade for Clayton Stoner who plays D for my team, the Wild. By no means a great D man, but can take a regular shift. Big and strong enough to jostle with the big boys in front of the net, and can fight if it comes down to it.

A few other guys on the Wild who are somewhat gettable and would provide some of the above qualities.
- Clutterbuck
- hits anything that moves, fast, has an OK shot, plays PK. Will not back down, and can fight in a pinch.

Brodziak
- Big, tough, can play. Is used on PP occasionally to provide a screen in front of net. Was one of our best players last year, somewhat dissappointing this year. Might be hard to acquire.

Heatley
- he's big. He makes 7.5 M. He's yours.

Kenopka

- fighter, but a fighter who can take a regular 4th line shift due to his superb FO skills.

I think all of these players, or players like these, would help your team.
I think stoner clutterbuck and kenopka would be of interest... Price?

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As a Bruins fan its been pretty shocking to see how nonchalant Habs fans have been about this season. This Montreal team is the best I've seen in my lifetime, and all the fans want to stand pat...special stuff like this doesn't happen every year and there's no guarantee you'll ever be any closer to the goal than you are right now.

If there's a Habs-Bs series it'd be at worst even chances for you guys. Pittsburgh would be favored against anyone but if all you have to do is upset ONE team to make it to the SCF (one that you've upset in the playoffs before, no less?) then that's a pretty damn good place to be.

I'm not saying you should mortgage your future as I don't think any team should really do that for what is always a low-percentage play. But it would be very strange if you made no moves at all given how close you are to the promised land
I kind of agree with that fellow bruins fan.

Remember the season where we finished 1st in conference with Carbo as a coach. Didn't do nothing to add to the team in trade deadline, elimanated in round 2, and never been the same since then... We had a opportunity that season.

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I kind of agree with that fellow bruins fan.

Remember the season where we finished 1st in conference with Carbo as a coach. Didn't do nothing to add to the team in trade deadline, elimanated in round 2, and never been the same since then... We had a opportunity that season.
That's precisely why you don't give up futures unless you're in the top 3 or 4 in the conversation for the Cup. That season was a complete mirage, the team had no depth and made a fluky regular season run. Penguins and Bruins have proven SC winning depth, they are now going toe to toe for the east this year.

We will have our year, but possibly not until Bruins and Pens hit a zenith and weight themselves down with contracts like Tampa. A couple of years away, meanwhile MB needs to keep building.

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I think stoner clutterbuck and kenopka would be of interest... Price?

Haven't watched enough Habs to say. A top 4 D man would be nice, but I'm betting you need all of those for your playoff run. Extra scoring up front that can play now would be nice, or prospects with size.

I think if you took Heatley off our hands you might get one of the others as a throw in(Stoner, Kenopka, not Clutterbuck or Brodz). Heatley sucks compared to what he once was, but he's still got a shot, hands, and is hard to move.

Don't know how it would work cap wise, though.

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I think the Habs should just try to get a little more grit down their third and fourth line. Prust will be back soon. Diaz or Bourque might be back for the playoffs too so I think people forgets how good this team is when fully healthy.

I would try to get Ryan Jones from Edmonton. He's a UFA next summer so would not cost a lot for Montreal. He's a little pest that can fight, hit and he's speedy. Brings a lot of energy too. Role player that would be perfect for the Habs. If only they would get rid of Armstrong...

I think the Habs could land him with a 5th round pick this year since he's a role player going UFA. Montreal would keep their 6 picks in the first 3 rounds so still could get some really good prospects too. Any opinions on this?

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The consensus here seems to be 'Don't mortgage the future for the present'. I understand that we want to be perennial contenders. But what I don't agree with is the idea that in a year or two everything will fall into place and at that time MB should make a big move.

There are a couple of fundamental problems with this philosophy. First, as we know, there are no guarantees in the future. Sure, our young guys could continue to develop, but what if they don't? And even if they do, some of our current vets will certainly be shadows of their current selves. We have a great mix of rookies, mid-career players and vets right now.

Second problem is essentially the flip-side of the first: There are no guarantees. Here, I mean that even if we do develop into the team that we all hope for with a dominant defensive corps, three high-scoring lines, and size throughout the line-up, we could still face a first- or second-round exit. We've Halaked others and have been Halaked ourselves.

So my question again: If not now, when? When do we make a big move? When we are on the verge of winning the president's cup? When we lead the league in both goals for and against?

If we are a top-5 team in the league, and I think most here will agree we are, then now is as good a time as ever. 'But we would have to get through Boston and Pittsburgh and Chicago', you say. Well only one team wins the cup and if we're within striking distance, we have as a good a shot as anyone.

I suppose the more difficult question would be what move to make. We are almost victims of our own success. We have so much balance that there isn't a gaping need.

Still, if we could grab a Jagr or another impact player (particularly on D, with Diaz' health still a question and where our size could hurt over a long PO run), why not pull the trigger, even if we have to overpay some? Everyone seems obsessed with picks, but I'd rather maximize my chances of winning a cup (yes, now AND in the future), then increase the number of posts praising TT's drafting genius.
we are a top 5 in standings but not a contender to knock off the powerhouses yet.

Dont get fooled with our stats , shortended season or not I dont see us winning a cup yet .

no bandaid moves please . There are numerous trades made at the deadline and only one team takes it home , and everyone cheers thier move

I am not trading vaulable picks or kids for a rental or a Clowe type of player

we arent a Clowe away from anything hab fans

the only trade I would consider is a player under contract for years that I can work and still be with us as we get to contender status one day

but giving up 2 second rounders ( we have 3 ) in a solid draft for a Clowe , and all these rentals makes no sense at all

better use the assets to make a legit trade for a solid long term player

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I kind of agree with that fellow bruins fan.

Remember the season where we finished 1st in conference with Carbo as a coach. Didn't do nothing to add to the team in trade deadline, elimanated in round 2, and never been the same since then... We had a opportunity that season.
Did we?

Our three best prospects that year would've been Max,PK and McD. That's what other clubs would've wanted.

Still think it was a missed opportunity?

Also, that team was a mirage. Fluke year and you had to know it wasn't a real contender. Extra piece or not we probably don't win the cup. And that team was older and was a one shot deal. The club we have now will be better next year and better still the year after that. Doesn't make sense to sabotage the future on a cup run.

If this team is the real deal then leave it as is and see how we do.

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I kind of agree with that fellow bruins fan.

Remember the season where we finished 1st in conference with Carbo as a coach. Didn't do nothing to add to the team in trade deadline, elimanated in round 2, and never been the same since then... We had a opportunity that season.
Wasn't that the year we went after Hossa?

Then when Pens got him...Gainey said the price was too high and we already had the best goalie in AHL in Halak and best forward currently playing AHL in Grabovski?

I might have my years mixed up.

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Honestly, the Habs never can make a move when it comes to star scorers and that's been one thing we've been missing for a long time (Kovalev's 07-08 performance is the closest thing in over a decade, and it was not repeated). I'd really like the team to actually go for one (Gaborik's probably the only one that could possibly be acquired). Scoring by committee is nice and all, but sometimes you just need someone to make a play and put you in front or get you back in it. Relying on depth doesn't mean you can't rely on top end talent.

On the flipside, if acquiring one such player is not possible, maybe try a deal like Bouwmeester for Ellis, White and our first (if one such deal is not too terrible for Calgary to accept).

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There has got to be some middle ground between standing pat and mortgaging the future. I would not want to go all in right now on a big trade, but there must be something we can do to help improve this squad right now and fill some holes. Guys like Gallagher are fighting hard and management should give them something.

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Did we?

Our three best prospects that year would've been Max,PK and McD. That's what other clubs would've wanted.

Still think it was a missed opportunity?

Also, that team was a mirage. Fluke year and you had to know it wasn't a real contender. Extra piece or not we probably don't win the cup. And that team was older and was a one shot deal. The club we have now will be better next year and better still the year after that. Doesn't make sense to sabotage the future on a cup run.

If this team is the real deal then leave it as is and see how we do.
We definetly had a shot that year. Did the team have flaws absolutely but you don't have to be perfect to win. All it takes is a certain level of talent (Which we had) and then getting hot/lucky at the right time(s).

Also we ended up losing one of those 3 top prospects anyways for little return, it hasn't crippled us. Had we given McDo up to get a Hossa or Sundin and then done serious damage in the playoffs it's hard to say we would've regretted it.

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Wasn't that the year we went after Hossa?

Then when Pens got him...Gainey said the price was too high and we already had the best goalie in AHL in Halak and best forward currently playing AHL in Grabovski?

I might have my years mixed up.
Yes. 2007-08, aka the Kovalev was a monster, the PP was ridiculous and we had incredible health year.

And Waddell explained how it all went down with the Hossa trade that day: http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/news/story?id=3946240

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