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03-28-2013, 10:51 AM
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How do you try harder? I'm not really getting this. Is there some sort of secret power GMs have that can let them know everyone who is available and what deals are being discussed by other teams? Is it a rule that you have to get something out of trying? It makes no sense to me. There are 29 other teams out to trade a sign players as well. This is a business where effort can be rewarded with absolutely no fruit.

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03-28-2013, 10:53 AM
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How do you try harder? I'm not really getting this. Is there some sort of secret power GMs have that can let them know everyone who is available and what deals are being discussed by other teams? Is it a rule that you have to get something out of trying? It makes no sense to me. There are 29 other teams out to trade a sign players as well. This is a business where effort can be rewarded with absolutely no fruit.
By taking risks. Holland takes no risks (unless you consider the way he handles our prospects as risky).

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03-28-2013, 11:01 AM
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How do you try harder? I'm not really getting this. Is there some sort of secret power GMs have that can let them know everyone who is available and what deals are being discussed by other teams? Is it a rule that you have to get something out of trying? It makes no sense to me. There are 29 other teams out to trade a sign players as well. This is a business where effort can be rewarded with absolutely no fruit.
I think Holland overpaid for Samuelsson, Bertuzzi, Quincey (both money-wise and trade-wise), Colaiacovo. That was very bad invested money.

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03-28-2013, 11:05 AM
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Is any of our prospect anywhere close to Z or Datsyuk?
Maybe, probably not. Does it matter? Any assets we retain now make us a better club in the future.

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You can't say Holland hasn't tried, though. If you're going to complain about Iginla, please note we weren't on his trade list. That's been the story. We've tried and something gets in the way.
I try really hard in my assignments at school. But if I don't turn them in, I'm going to get a zero. If my dog eats it, my teacher won't care because there's nothing to show for it.

No one's upset about Iginla, but rather the direction this team seems to be heading. The path Holland seems to be taking is being content with just making the playoffs each year. But without adding anything significant, we only grow older each offseason and our chances of heading deeper into the playoffs than the 1st and 2nd round grow thinner. Barring some miracle run like LA had.

Eventually, it's going to catch up to us as we head into mediocrity.


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03-28-2013, 11:06 AM
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I think Holland overpaid for Samuelsson, Bertuzzi, Quincey (both money-wise and trade-wise), Colaiacovo. That was very bad invested money.
The Quincey and Colaiacovo signings smacked of desperation after not getting Suter and losing Lids and Stuart. Those guys were just lucky, right place at right time

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Wonder what Detroit would have to give up for St. Louis

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03-28-2013, 02:27 PM
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By taking risks. Holland takes no risks (unless you consider the way he handles our prospects as risky).
I would. But not in the good way.

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C'mon Stevie, make it cheap.

This is all part of Yzerman's master plan. Go to the Lightning. Get in deep. Make the team miss the playoffs badly, trade the best players to Detroit for nothing, and then come back to replace Holland. We're getting Stamkos people. Stamkos and St. Louis and Vinny. (I have no idea how the cap works)

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Wonder what Detroit would have to give up for St. Louis

http://www.thefourthperiod.com/news/tbl130328.html
I doubt St. Louis moves.

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I doubt St. Louis moves.
Yarr, agree! (Iginla and St. Louis) are prolly thinking finishing their careers just like Bourque did, hope it ends the same. Respect always, but not against us!

St. Louis would be a great fit on this lineup, ON A PAPER ATLEAST. But I can't see him to be a longterm saviour for us, same goes with the next guy. God damnit.

Datsyuk needs a goalscorer next to him whos starving to want pick cherries. Gaborik?

Maybe STL could make Zetterberg once more time a 40 scorer? Prolly not


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Maybe, probably not. Does it matter? Any assets we retain now make us a better club in the future.
It does matter. I do not the Wings to become the Flames. I think it is better as many posters have suggested that the Wings should tank a season or 2 to get real good picks/prospects.

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The Quincey and Colaiacovo signings smacked of desperation after not getting Suter and losing Lids and Stuart. Those guys were just lucky, right place at right time
It seems to me that he did not have to sign so many players as we had Nyquist, Tatar and Andersson ready/almsot ready for the NHL.

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With all the talk about Bouwmeester. Detroit should really push hard to get Keith Yandle. With the possible move for Phoenix and stuff.

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03-28-2013, 04:49 PM
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It does matter. I do not the Wings to become the Flames. I think it is better as many posters have suggested that the Wings should tank a season or 2 to get real good picks/prospects.


It seems to me that he did not have to sign so many players as we had Nyquist, Tatar and Andersson ready/almsot ready for the NHL.
Yeah but they are all forwards. Quincey and Colo just happened to be in the right place at the right time as D men

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With all the talk about Bouwmeester. Detroit should really push hard to get Keith Yandle. With the possible move for Phoenix and stuff.
Yandle has better contract but would be more expensive. And wouldn't be able to log the same minutes as JBow.

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Yeah but they are all forwards. Quincey and Colo just happened to be in the right place at the right time as D men
I thought that Holland did not have to sign both Samuelsson and Bertuzzi.

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With all the talk about Bouwmeester. Detroit should really push hard to get Keith Yandle. With the possible move for Phoenix and stuff.
Hes cheaper and younger but worse defensively. No Thank You. We have enough young talent on D coming up especially offensively.

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03-28-2013, 05:33 PM
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I thought that Holland did not have to sign both Samuelsson and Bertuzzi.
Agreed, probably just Bert but we didnt know his back would be so bad. We have just way too many players, I really dont know what Holland was thinking. Quincey was a terrible trade last year and we could have saved 1st round pick and spend $3.75 mil else where and Cola was a terrible pick up.

If Holland had some guts and did something decent even if it was a risk in the offseason this team could look different and much better where a single trade could make us a favorite for the finals.

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03-28-2013, 05:35 PM
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Wonder what Detroit would have to give up for St. Louis

http://www.thefourthperiod.com/news/tbl130328.html
Nothing St Louis Is'nt leaving Tampa Bay, He only has 2 years left on his deal and he will be turning 40 and he'll retire as a Tampa Bay Lightning.

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Alec Martinez from Los Angeles Kings maybe? Or if not Bouwmeester, why not Giordano?


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Alec Martinez from Los Angeles Kings maybe? Or if not Bouwmeester, why not Giordano?
I think Giordano would be a better fit, honestly.

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I think Giordano would be a better fit, honestly.
I've always wanted Giordano instead of Jay Bo. I doubt the Flames trade him though.

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I hate Jagr, but I would take him, the price should not be high.
I am not sure about Jay Bo, he makes 6,7 M, I do not think I would take on that contract.
Jagr and Morris.

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I hate Jagr, but I would take him, the price should not be high.
I am not sure about Jay Bo, he makes 6,7 M, I do not think I would take on that contract.
Jagr and Morris.
why may i ask do you feel the DRW should or better yet are in a position to be adding aging and slowing veterans.

we should only be trading for guys 30 and under so that we are not only competitive this season but for the next 5 plus seasons.

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Yandle has better contract but would be more expensive. And wouldn't be able to log the same minutes as JBow.
Better contract? +5 million for a defenceman that doesn't play PK AT ALL? Yandle has no clue what PK is.

I'd take J-Bouw and his world class shut-down ability for 6.7M any day before some +5 million offensive specialist.

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"world class shut-down ability"

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Better contract? +5 million for a defenceman that doesn't play PK AT ALL? Yandle has no clue what PK is.

I'd take J-Bouw and his world class shut-down ability for 6.7M any day before some +5 million offensive specialist.
World class shut down ability?

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