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Leafs and Blues discussing David Backes?

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03-28-2013, 04:34 PM
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Did anyone else hear that? This guy on the TSN 1050 thinks that there is a lot of chatter going on between the Blues and Leafs recently, and the one name that popped out is David Backes.

The guy also said he doesn't think it will necessarily happen but he says it will take Gardiner + Frattin + going other way to get the Blues moving.
If true, then it's not worth it IMO.

The Leafs would be stupid to give up Gardiner.

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If true, then it's not worth it IMO.

The Leafs would be stupid to give up Gardiner.
Not for Backes they wouldn't.... I'd easily give up Gardiner+ to get Backes

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03-28-2013, 04:37 PM
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If true, then it's not worth it IMO.

The Leafs would be stupid to give up Gardiner.
Not when you're getting back a selke trophy candidate first line center in return.

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03-28-2013, 04:43 PM
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Not when you're getting back a selke trophy candidate first line center in return.
And Reilly in the system. I actually don't think we will carry both players long term. Doesn't make a lot of sense to me

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03-28-2013, 04:48 PM
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Would be nice. Don't see it happening at all.

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What the frack are you talking about "bang for your buck." Wow, didn't realize that he was overpaid at $4.5 million per. Guy has a down year production wise (not getting close to his usual 25-30 goals) and all of a sudden he is expendable for a "Center with potential - (translation Prospect that could/or couldn't make it to the NHL) or a LH Dman. Wow.....

Wait until next season when he is back on his 30 goal pace. Then you will find another whipping boy.
OK, I will indulge your hyperbole. I did not say "overpaid" first of all. I said as one of the highest paid on a medium budget team. Not a huge contract in relation to other bigger contracts on other teams, but this team needs more than he is producing for that budget hit. Your translation is your words not mine. The team deparately needs a LHD to be a steadying influence and make those around him better. I added the center with potential, as the team is thin there, especially if we trade Backes. I hope he is back to his 25-30 goal average last year and am not a huge advocate of breaking up the nucleus we have, but for the right deal, Backes could be a good trade chip.

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03-28-2013, 04:51 PM
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What the Blues should be doing is pursuing some depth at center to take some of the pressure off of Backes. He's an ideal 2nd line guy being asked to do too much.

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03-28-2013, 04:57 PM
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Not interested in the price he'll take. Not the biggest fan, this is probably not a real rumour anyways. Need more Ontario boys in Toronto.

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03-28-2013, 05:13 PM
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Lol at anyone that thinks this rumor is true.

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03-28-2013, 05:23 PM
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Did anyone else hear that? This guy on the TSN 1050 thinks that there is a lot of chatter going on between the Blues and Leafs recently, and the one name that popped out is David Backes.

The guy also said he doesn't think it will necessarily happen but he says it will take Gardiner + Frattin + going other way to get the Blues moving.
Who is the guy? It sounds more like speculation if nobody told "this guy".

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03-28-2013, 05:59 PM
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Not when you're getting back a selke trophy candidate first line center in return.
But is Backes really a Selke trophy candidate 1st line center? I can't say for sure, since I don't get many chances to watch him play, but something tells me that he's more like an excellent 2nw line center.

Of course, I could be completely wrong about this, but either way, I still wouldn't want to give up Gardiner (who is much youner, more cost-effective, and a potential top-pairng defenceman which are very hard to come by).

I also don't like the idea of opening up one gaping hole in order to fill another gaping hole. Besides, Gardiner has already proven how necessary his skill-set is to this current Leafs roster. Why trade that away for another froward when the Leafs need to improve their defence core?

Sorry.. trading Gardiner for Backes just doesn't make sense for the Leafs.

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03-28-2013, 06:10 PM
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And Reilly in the system. I actually don't think we will carry both players long term. Doesn't make a lot of sense to me
Just because the Leafs have Rielly in their system, it doesn't (and shouldn't) make Gardiner expendable.

I'd much rather keep both Rielly and Gardiner. I also don't see why the Lefs can't keep both of them long-term.

If the Leafs (for whatever reason) have to trade Gardiner, they'd be better off doing so after he's reached his potential.. not before.

Buy low, sell high (if you have to sell at all).

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Just because the Leafs have Rielly in their system, it doesn't (and shouldn't) make Gardiner expendable.

I'd much rather keep both Rielly and Gardiner. I also don't see why the Lefs can't keep both of them long-term.

If the Leafs (for whatever reason) have to trade Gardiner, they'd be better off doing so after he's reached his potential.. not before.

Buy low, sell high (if you have to sell at all).
Who is to say he'll reach that potential... that's the thing with potential, it's only potential. It's not a guarantee he'll reach that.

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03-28-2013, 06:18 PM
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OMG!! Some dude on the radio in Toronto thinks that if the Blues and Leafs talk trade that the Leafs would want Backes??

Well, this just in: The Blues and Penguins may be talking trade. I hear the Blues are interested in Crosby.

Oilers are interested in Crosby and Malkin .

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03-28-2013, 06:21 PM
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But is Backes really a Selke trophy candidate 1st line center? I can't say for sure, since I don't get many chances to watch him play, but something tells me that he's more like an excellent 2nw line center.

Of course, I could be completely wrong about this, but either way, I still wouldn't want to give up Gardiner (who is much youner, more cost-effective, and a potential top-pairng defenceman which are very hard to come by).

I also don't like the idea of opening up one gaping hole in order to fill another gaping hole. Besides, Gardiner has already proven how necessary his skill-set is to this current Leafs roster. Why trade that away for another froward when the Leafs need to improve their defence core?

Sorry.. trading Gardiner for Backes just doesn't make sense for the Leafs.
The only thing the Leafs offer up for other teams star are their scrubs . Backes has more value then any one piece the leafs have right now . That could change . but for now it is the sad fact .

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03-28-2013, 06:24 PM
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Backes would be awesome, can't see it happening at all though.

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Just because the Leafs have Rielly in their system, it doesn't (and shouldn't) make Gardiner expendable.

I'd much rather keep both Rielly and Gardiner. I also don't see why the Lefs can't keep both of them long-term.

If the Leafs (for whatever reason) have to trade Gardiner, they'd be better off doing so after he's reached his potential.. not before.

Buy low, sell high (if you have to sell at all).
Gards is small! Maybe make him a forward.

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03-28-2013, 06:31 PM
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Who is to say he'll reach that potential... that's the thing with potential, it's only potential. It's not a guarantee he'll reach that.
Maybe he will and maybe he won't, but I don't see the point in trading him this early into his NHL career. I'd much rather watch him develop and hopefully reach his potential than summarily toss him aside so soon after acquiring him.

Even if he doesn't become a top-pairing defenceman, he can still become an excellent 2nd-pairing defenceman (which is still quite a valuable commodity in the NHL).

Personally, I believe Gardiner has a very good chance of reaching his potential (and no.. I don't say this about every Leaf prospect). But, if for some reason he doesn't, that's okay too as he can still be effective in a lesser role.

So, again.. there's no reason for the Leafs to trade Gardiner at this time (if at all). Unless, of course, the return is just too good to pass up. I just don't seee Backes falling into that category.

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Oilers are interested in Crosby and Malkin .
Of course without giving up one of the big 4, amiright?

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i love how people say... this isn't true, this shouldn't be a rumor...

are you in the room discussing this with the GM's?


the reason it's a rumor is because there is not basis for it... so carry on or move on.

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Some Leaf fans amaze me. There is no point in debating Gardiner will not get you Backes. It's a simple fact the Blues have no center depth and the Leafs do not have a better center to trade Backes for. The guy who made the rumor is obviously clueless.

It's just wishful thinking. I am not saying Backes is untouchable but good lord look at the Blues at center without Backes.

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Of course without giving up one of the big 4, amiright?
No they can be made available . I am one that thinks Eberle should be trade for size or D , but we would think about moving him for Crosby

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What about Kessel + Bozak + something else (Gunnarsson?) for Backes + Stewart

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i love how people say... this isn't true, this shouldn't be a rumor...

are you in the room discussing this with the GM's?


the reason it's a rumor is because there is not basis for it... so carry on or move on.
You can use logic and know it is not true. Look at the makeup of the Blues. Then look at the GM Armstrong. Then ask yourself is he an idiot? No he is not. Then you look at the Blues center depth. The Blues have Backes and Berglund. Niether one is an ideal #1 center Backes is more of a 1b/2 guy. Berglund is a 2/3 guy. So by trading Backes you are depending on a 2/3 center to be your #1 center. And you really would have Steen who is a better winger as your #2 guy.

So yes this rumor is total BS unless the Blues are getting a true #1 center in another deal first. The Blues also could return a much more proven LH is they are willing to trade Backes. They could trade Backes for Yandle who is what Leaf fans hope Gardiner becomes.

If you use your brain a little you can pretty much conclude it is rumor that makes zero sense for the Blues that was created by Toronto media.

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i love how people say... this isn't true, this shouldn't be a rumor...

are you in the room discussing this with the GM's?


the reason it's a rumor is because there is not basis for it... so carry on or move on.
Something isn't a rumor when someone is speculating that something might happen or could happen. A rumor is when someone says a source said a deal is at least being discussed.

From the little bit I have read of this thread it seems like it was speculation and not a rumor. I haven't read the entire thing so I don't know if "this guy" that the op used as his source has been expanded on, but I don't think "this guy" is really a good source especially when it sounds like he was just speculating about what the teams were talking about.

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