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03-28-2013, 06:58 PM
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The only thing the Leafs offer up for other teams star are their scrubs . Backes has more value then any one piece the leafs have right now . That could change . but for now it is the sad fact .
Well, Gardiner isn't a "scrub", so I don't know where or from whom you're getting your information.

Backes is a very good player.. I've not denied that.. but Gardiner is also a very good player. Are they on the same level? Of course not, because Backes is far more proven than Gardiner is.

As for other Leaf payers who routinely get offered in trade proposals on this board, some can legitimately be labelled "scrubs" while others are clearly not.

This is all, IMO, a moot point anyway, since such a trade is highly unlikely to happen because Nonis has already stated that he's not going to trade prospects/ picks/ young players for older players. I also don't see him depleting his deficient defence core to acquire another forward, especially since there aren't any openings in that area of the roster.

If a trade between the Leafs and the Blues were to happen, the Leafs would be offering a forward in order to get a reliable top-4 right-shot defensive defenceman, but I seriously doubt even this kind of deal would happen.

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03-28-2013, 07:02 PM
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What about Kessel + Bozak + something else (Gunnarsson?) for Backes + Stewart
If the Blues did this deal they would get eaten alive against the teams in the Western Conference. Taking away most of our size and grit and replacing it with small, soft players.

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03-28-2013, 07:10 PM
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Gards is small! Maybe make him a forward.
He may not be the optimal size for an NHL defenceman, but he can still be effective playing that position by using his smarts and his speed to compensate for his lack of height. Not every defenceman on a team needs to be a big, hulking brute.

As for converting him into a forward, I certainly wouldn't object to it, since he's young enough to make such a switch if he wanted to. In fact, with his skill-set and other attributes, I could easily see him as a play-making center or winger.

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03-28-2013, 07:27 PM
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So Leafs offered a bunch of crap for Backes and Armstrong said we're not good trading partners please stop asking? Maybe HF does imitate real life.

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03-28-2013, 07:45 PM
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Why would St. Louis trade their captain for a bunch of maybe's?
Gardiner+Frattin a bunch of maybes??

I'm not saying St. Louis should just go for it, but don't be a complete homer.

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03-28-2013, 08:00 PM
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Gardiner+Frattin a bunch of maybes??

I'm not saying St. Louis should just go for it, but don't be a complete homer.
If we traded Backes for Gardiner + Frattin, Armstrong would be run out town

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03-28-2013, 08:05 PM
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Why would the Blues even trade Backes? He's locked up forever at a nice price and is the heart and soul of that team. Every team in the league would be tripping over themselves to try and get him.

The dumbest trade rumours come out of Toronto. Maybe they are getting Crosby too.

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03-28-2013, 08:07 PM
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OK, I will indulge your hyperbole. I did not say "overpaid" first of all. I said as one of the highest paid on a medium budget team. Not a huge contract in relation to other bigger contracts on other teams, but this team needs more than he is producing for that budget hit. Your translation is your words not mine. The team deparately needs a LHD to be a steadying influence and make those around him better. I added the center with potential, as the team is thin there, especially if we trade Backes. I hope he is back to his 25-30 goal average last year and am not a huge advocate of breaking up the nucleus we have, but for the right deal, Backes could be a good trade chip.
Thin. That is an understatement. How do you plan to replace Backes? Free Agency? Because that is a good way to get a player that a budget team can afford. Lets see - our center would be Berglund, Sobotka, Nichol, and WHO.

Look we can address depth at D though trade. And you are right when you say we need an upgrade at d, but trading from a position of weakness only opens up another large hole. You want to trade a winger - please that makes sense, but not a center.

And Backes was making the same amount last year. Did you complain about him then? My guess is no.

Bottom line, I am just as frusterated by his lack of offensive punch this year as you are. I don't like him paired with Stewart.


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03-28-2013, 08:44 PM
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If we traded Backes for Gardiner + Frattin, Armstrong would be run out town
Again, i'm not saying its a good trade for St. Louis to do, but its not like Toronto is just giving up two 5th round picks or smthg.

They're young, but you know what you're getting from the two of them.

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03-28-2013, 08:45 PM
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i'd do backes for kessel and another good spec that'd be sick. except for that we'd need a center

cuz we have ten million wingers and two Natural centers, though Sobotka has been great at center

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03-28-2013, 08:49 PM
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i'd do backes for kessel and another good spec that'd be sick. except for that we'd need a center

cuz we have ten million wingers and two Natural centers, though Sobotka has been great at center
So you would trade a weakness for a strength? Blues have Oshie, Stewart and Tarasenko on the right side.

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So you would trade a weakness for a strength? Blues have Oshie, Stewart and Tarasenko on the right side.
Yeah i know. I was just kind of saying that on impulse. obviously when i put more thought into it makes no sense. I've just always loved Kessel and he's the kind of finisher we need you know. Tho it is looking like Frank could be that guy very soon.

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03-28-2013, 08:57 PM
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If we traded Backes for Gardiner + Frattin, Armstrong would be run out town
I can't speak for other Leafs fans but I would not want to trade either one of them.

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03-28-2013, 09:10 PM
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I can't speak for other Leafs fans but I would not want to trade either one of them.
You wouldn't trade either one for Backes or am I reading that wrong?

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03-28-2013, 09:12 PM
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So you would trade a weakness for a strength? Blues have Oshie, Stewart and Tarasenko on the right side.
oshie is a rw now ? not following blues to much and i knew before he's a center...i love your right wingers anyway...

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Honestly, this wouldn't COMPLETELY shock me.

He's gone from 62 points to 54 points to 48 points this year (extrapolated over a full season).

Sometimes teams cut bait on a player for whatever reason (decline? salary? something in the room? Just can't win with them ala Philly's theory on Richards/Carter, etc).


St. Louis is a bit of a cash strapped team and have a bunch of notable RFA's to re-sign this summer (Stewart, Pietrangelo, Shattenkirk, Berglund, etc).

I don't think they are trading him. I still think he's very good. But over the years guys like him have been traded countless times before (The Arnotts of the world).
Power forwards decline faster then snipers and could be done by age 30-31... Like Clowe for example, or Franzen to a lesser extent... at 28 i'm not sure how much mileage he has left. Gardiner is to steep of a price who is just starting out his career... I would love Backes though leafs and are top 3 in goals this year so i'm not concerned as much about the offense (although have played 1-2 more games then some teams) so he would bring some much needed strong defensive play to our top 6. Gardiner though? Yikes I don't no. Don't expect him to be traded though

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You wouldn't trade either one for Backes or am I reading that wrong?
That's correct. I wouldn't trade either one for Backes.

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As much as I would love to have Backes on the Leafs. I just don't see this happening. Backes is so so good. 60pt centre who hits 275 times a year. No way STL trades him. I would love Stewart off your hands.

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That's correct. I wouldn't trade either one for Backes.
I'll admit Backes is worth more than Gardiner right now, but I'd personally be hesitant to do Backes FOR Gardiner anyway.

Not doing Backes straight up for Frattin would be ridiculous.

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That's correct. I wouldn't trade either one for Backes.
Frattin wouldn't even dress for St. Louis.

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As much as I would love to have Backes on the Leafs. I just don't see this happening. Backes is so so good. 60pt centre who hits 275 times a year. No way STL trades him. I would love Stewart off your hands.

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I wouldn't trade either for both.

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03-28-2013, 09:53 PM
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leafs should be looking for more of a pt per game center
as much as i like backes as a fine 2nd liner)

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