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03-29-2013, 06:34 AM
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Cally was absolutely awful tonight. I have withheld judgement on him to date because I really like the way he plays and how he gives his all every game. That has not been the case nearly enough this year. Right from the first shift he was in a fog. The defensive zone lapse that let to that golden opportunity by Hoffman early in the first was Cally's fault. Not sure what is going on with him lately but it seems that he might be playing with an injury that we might not know about. Whatever it is he needs to wake the **** up. While he isn't nearly as good as the Rangers announcers want you to believe he is incredibly important to this team and their success.

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The only issue I have would be the dives he took last night. If there's one thing that gets me steamed, it's dishonourable play, whether it's diving, coasting around or dirty hockey.

Callahan is better than reducing himself to the level of a diver. Leave those escapades to the Pens and Habs.
I'm inclined to agree, though I understand his motivations. I've played sports all my life, and I always tried my damnedest to "play the right way." That said, there were certain times where things were going so poorly and I was so frustrated that I just lost it, and did things out of character. It happens.

I hate the Yankees, but I always admired that Derek Jeter played the game the right way. Remember when he sold that hit by pitch even though it hit his bat? It was totally "dishonorable," but you can give him a pass because of his past history. I'll give Cally a pass as well. It's a season where nothing has gone right for the team, and I'm sure he's a wit's end.

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Yea, I know he was just desperately trying to help the team win. Which I can understand.

Still, really did not like watching that hat trick of dives.

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I see that Sting is in here pimping his trusty "you don't know anything because I know everything" line. Ugh.

Nobody is advocating moving Callahan. That said, we are far enough into the season where excuses need to stop and solutions need to be found. Case in point--the Callahan of 2011-2012 and (especially) 2010-2011 was going balls to the wall on every shift of every game. We haven't seen that this year. I can only think of two or three games this season where Cally had a WHOLE game of that kind of energy. He'll give it on certain shifts, and he'll always bring it at the end of a game (usually when the game is all but lost), but he really hasn't done it for more than a couple of "full" games. That's why I wondered about the lack of a camp being an issue.

Also, are people seriously blaming his linemates? Ryan ****ing Callahan put up 50+ point production playing with Artie, Dubi, Boyle etc in the past. Suddenly, he can't be more productive playing with Brad Richards and Marian Gaborik?

He's getting ELITE first line minutes, both ES and on the PP. He's playing with elite talent. He's the captain and is responsible for creating a hard-working attitude on this team (something he did beautifully last year and even before he had the C). He has 15 points and the team (himself included at times) has been no-showing for significant portions of games. I love the kid just as much as anyone else on here (aside from Sting, who is either Callahan himself or his momma), but there's a problem with him this season.


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03-29-2013, 09:06 AM
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Is he having a down year? Sure, but we have more serious problems than this.

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Also, are people seriously blaming his linemates? Ryan ****ing Callahan put up 50+ point production playing with Artie, Dubi, Boyle etc in the past. Suddenly, he can't be more productive playing with Brad Richards and Marian Gaborik?
Exactly. Artie and Dubi knew and played the system the coach wants. It makes absolutely perfect sense to me that Cally would struggle with Richards and Gaborik, two guys who can't or refuse to play the system.

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Does it mean our whole team is playing like **** when we have 10-12 individual player discussion threads? (Not one is positive except the Nash thread & even that heads south from time to time)

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Exactly. Artie and Dubi knew and played the system the coach wants. It makes absolutely perfect sense to me that Cally would struggle with Richards and Gaborik, two guys who can't or refuse to play the system.
The "system"????
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03-29-2013, 09:54 AM
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I see that Sting is in here pimping his trusty "you don't know anything because I know everything" line. Ugh.
Really? That's the line I used? Because I'm pretty sure I gave you a bunch of paragraphs full of logical, reasoned arguments. "Ugh" is when people say things like "the biggest problem this season has been Ryan Callahan, when the mere notion is absurd. That's "ugh."

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Nobody is advocating moving Callahan. That said, we are far enough into the season where excuses need to stop and solutions need to be found.
I suggest finding the solution to why our $6.6 million first line center and our $7.5 million winger are playing like ****, no matter who they play with - Callahan or anyone else. Because those guys aren't having an off game here and there; they aren't taking some shifts off. They're flat out sucking, they're doing it nearly every game, and they haven't produced any more than Callahan has.

You want to talk about excuses? Stop calling them elite players and making excuses for them, when they haven't played like elite players.

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Case in point--the Callahan of 2011-2012 and (especially) 2010-2011 was going balls to the wall on every shift of every game. We haven't seen that this year. I can only think of two or three games this season where Cally had a WHOLE game of that kind of energy. He'll give it on certain shifts, and he'll always bring it at the end of a game (usually when the game is all but lost), but he really hasn't done it for more than a couple of "full" games. That's why I wondered about the lack of a camp being an issue.
I've watched all but 4 or 5 periods this year, and IMO, that's totally inaccurate. I've seen that a lot more than 2 or 3 games. Maybe not as much as last year, but certainly more than just a couple of times.

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Also, are people seriously blaming his linemates? Ryan ****ing Callahan put up 50+ point production playing with Artie, Dubi, Boyle etc in the past. Suddenly, he can't be more productive playing with Brad Richards and Marian Gaborik?
Who has been productive this year playing with Richards and Gaborik? I must have missed all those other guys putting up big numbers when playing with them.

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He's getting ELITE first line minutes, both ES and on the PP. He's playing with elite talent. He's the captain and is responsible for creating a hard-working attitude on this team (something he did beautifully last year and even before he had the C). He has 15 points and the team (himself included at times) has been no-showing for significant portions of games.
He's getting ELITE minutes because the players on the team who are paid to be ELITE have been dreadful. There's a pretty monumental difference between playing like an elite player and being paid like one, and aside from occasional shifts with Nash, Callahan hasn't played with any elite players this season. Convenient, by the way, to leave out that Callahan also leads the team's forwards in time on ice during penalty kills, and by a significant margin. What a scrub he is for not scoring more shorthanded goals, I guess.

So player A, the blue-collar player who kills penalties more than anyone else, hits, blocks shots, and plays the hardest defense out of any forward on the team is a bigger problem than player B, the player making $3 million more with one objective (scoring), doesn't do any of those other things, and has virtually the same production as player A.

Because according to you, Callahan is the biggest problem with the team right now, not Gaborik.

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I love the kid just as much as anyone else on here (aside from Sting, who is either Callahan himself or his momma), but there's a problem with him this season.
If you loved the kid as much as anyone, you wouldn't have spent years trying to convince people that he's inferior to Brandon Dubinsky.


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Callahan's sticks are a bigger problem than Callahan.

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Oh and Sting, just as a slightly tangential thing - Nash - Richards - Gaborik was great the first time before Nash got hurt.

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Oh and Sting, just as a slightly tangential thing - Nash - Richards - Gaborik was great the first time before Nash got hurt.
They were okay, and they didn't even play together that long, because Nash's best games, before and after the injury, were with Hagelin, not Gaborik, as the other winger.

I think there has only been one goal scored this season where the scorer was one of Nash/Richards/Gaborik, and the other two got the assists.

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Now we're picking on Callahan? UGH

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I suggest finding the solution to why our $6.6 million first line center and our $7.5 million winger are playing like ****, no matter who they play with - Callahan or anyone else. Because those guys aren't having an off game here and there; they aren't taking some shifts off. They're flat out sucking, they're doing it nearly every game, and they haven't produced any more than Callahan has.

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Thats all any1 needs to say. Those two absolute duds have destroyed this teams contender potential. NOTHING else has been THAT far out of whack except for these two pieces of overpaid garbage (I want to go light on gabs but he has been truly awful this year regardless of how amazing his Ranger career has been). I feel this Callahan thread and the callahan bashing is incredibly dumb and inaccurate

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Oh and Sting, just as a slightly tangential thing - Nash - Richards - Gaborik was great the first time before Nash got hurt.
No, no they were not. I have no idea why people are saying this. They had one decent game against Boston and that was it.

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Does it mean our whole team is playing like **** when we have 10-12 individual player discussion threads? (Not one is positive except the Nash thread & even that heads south from time to time)
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Now we're picking on Callahan? UGH
This is why I am all for canning Torts before anyone on the team. Let's see what a different coach can do with these players.

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no class. those dives last night were unacceptable. especially coming from a captain who is apparently "the heart" of the team.

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New Rule: Anybody criticizing Cally must criticize Gaborik and Richards 10 times more.

Cally is fine, he'll be alright, get off the guy.

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Cally was absolutely awful tonight. I have withheld judgement on him to date because I really like the way he plays and how he gives his all every game. That has not been the case nearly enough this year. Right from the first shift he was in a fog. The defensive zone lapse that let to that golden opportunity by Hoffman early in the first was Cally's fault. Not sure what is going on with him lately but it seems that he might be playing with an injury that we might not know about. Whatever it is he needs to wake the **** up. While he isn't nearly as good as the Rangers announcers want you to believe he is incredibly important to this team and their success.
lol

When Cally is playing bad, it's always fans speculating "oh what a warrior, playing through an injury" or he's "banged up". Not calling you out First Man In, but this was the exact stuff said in the playoffs last year where he underperformed, again. Turns out he didn't need surgery and wasn't as banged up as speculated. Gaborik on the other hand is bashed for not showing up in the playoffs, even when he was the team's best winger and played with one good shoulder.

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Yeah I don't think Callahan's hurt. I'm sure he's always in some kinda pain with how many shots he blocks, but not anything that would affect play, just bumps and bruises and basic ouchies.

I think he just had a particularly lousy game last night for no other reason than he just had one. It happens.

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Callahan IMO is a major part of the problem. A loser mentality is fit across the team and Callahan leads the way. He's won nothing in his career, yet he gets heralded as if he's Adam Graves. He hasn't produced in the playoffs, yet young guys like Stepan and MDZ were blamed for the Rangers exit last year. The biggest problem for me is that he is a guy who perfectly fits this system: shotblocking, grenade puck-handling hockey. There is no way in hell he should be playing those many minutes, he's simply not good enough relative to the other star forwards who receive that similar ice time. When the Callahan era is over, fans will hopefully witness exciting hockey for once. Leading by example, block all the shots!

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To your point though, regarding Callahan not having won anything, the guy on this team who has won the most is Brad Richards and he's arguably the worst player on the team this year.

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To your point though, regarding Callahan not having won anything, the guy on this team who has won the most is Brad Richards and he's arguably the worst player on the team this year.
Richards is finished and past his prime. However when he had signs of life last yr, he was the one carrying the offense in the playoffs.

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Richards is finished and past his prime. However when he had signs of life last yr, he was the one carrying the offense in the playoffs.
Good point, that's fair. I still don't think Callahan's a loser though. I think he'd be a real nice piece on a good team but won't carry one offensively. There's no rule that says your captain has to drive the boat offensively.

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lol

When Cally is playing bad, it's always fans speculating "oh what a warrior, playing through an injury" or he's "banged up". Not calling you out First Man In, but this was the exact stuff said in the playoffs last year where he underperformed, again. Turns out he didn't need surgery and wasn't as banged up as speculated. Gaborik on the other hand is bashed for not showing up in the playoffs, even when he was the team's best winger and played with one good shoulder.
In the post you responded to, there is one passing mention of a potential injury, and the entire rest of the post is giving fair criticisms of Callahan's play. That's kinda cherry picking.

And it's a fair guess, though I don't hold the idea myself, because anyone watching can tell that most of our guys are playing through one nagging injury or another. We know Miller is, and I'm near certain Girardi and McD are not at 100 percent.

Everyone bashed Gabby until we found out he was playing with half an upperbody. Then we all went "wow, we're kinda dicks". Nobody is giving him **** for it anymore.

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