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03-27-2013, 09:54 PM
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Really? I haven't heard that. If true, the difference is that Coburn can handle himself a lot better in a fight than Pitkanen.
No ..I meant from the fans it seems.

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This one has mainly tough guy stuff too, but there is one beautiful goal there that shows off his skating:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=nGt9avhxjaE

Right around the 1:00 mark
Yea i saw that one. That was a great goal. Wish there were more videos to see what kind of player he is with my own eyes

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03-28-2013, 03:56 AM
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I am now convinced 2nd overall will get us Jones. Calgary will pick Nurse with the #1.

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03-28-2013, 06:49 AM
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if we manage to get Jones, he's moving into the Pronger household asap

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03-28-2013, 07:12 AM
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I am now convinced 2nd overall will get us Jones. Calgary will pick Nurse with the #1.
The problem is this. The team finishing 30th is going to lose the lottery 75% of the time. That makes finishing with the 2nd pick even longer odds than the 1st overall imo as we have somewhere between a 6-18% chance of being awarded that outright, whereas getting number 2 would require us to finish with the second worst record AND have the worst team actually win the lottery.

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03-28-2013, 07:45 AM
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I agree, it will be interesting to see. After tonight, they are currently projecting for 6th overall. 5th (The Brooklynders) are less than half a point away. So to correct myself, their range is probably 5th to 14th, or thereabouts. Of course a couple more losses and ya never know... With more games played than anybody else this season, every loss we take hurts our chances of making the playoffs more and more.





EDIT: I added a column for win differential that shows you how many wins away from the Flyers that other teams are pacing... As you can see, the Islanders are less than 1/4 of a win behind us, but there is a wide separation between them and the bottom 4. Additionally, Winnipeg and Colorado are only pacing for 1 win more than us. Tight bunch between those four teams could easily cause the Flyers to swing from 5th to 8th any given day.

EDIT 2: If the paces hold true, for the Flyers to break into the top 3 to have a shot at Jones, MacKinnon or Drouin, they'd have to finish out the season no better than 8-17-2. I don't think that's happening.
What ever happened to this guy and his win/lose chart?

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03-28-2013, 08:41 AM
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What ever happened to this guy and his win/lose chart?
This is easier: http://www.sportsclubstats.com/NHL/E...ladelphia.html

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03-28-2013, 09:08 AM
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I really hope we can snag one more 1st this year, and hopefully one that is top15

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03-28-2013, 09:43 AM
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I really hope we can snag one more 1st this year, and hopefully one that is top15
And how will they obtain that 1st rd pick from a non-playoff team, which constitutes the first 14 picks.

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03-28-2013, 10:27 AM
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And how will they obtain that 1st rd pick from a non-playoff team, which constitutes the first 14 picks.
I assume you would make a trade with a team on the playoff bubble and have them miss. I just don't see us having the type of player available that teams would risk that over.

Maybe a team like Columbus or the Islanders thinks they are so close that its worth the financial benefit to take a risk like that, but I just don't see us being the type of team that could take advantage of that opportunity.

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03-28-2013, 11:19 AM
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if you finish 2nd worst in the standings, the worst you can move down is 1 spot right?


top 3 pick guaranteed. i'll gladly take that with the big 3 of this draft available.

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03-28-2013, 11:22 AM
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if you finish 2nd worst in the standings, the worst you can move down is 1 spot right?


top 3 pick guaranteed. i'll gladly take that with the big 3 of this draft available.
correct. you can only move down 1 slot. If a team behind you wins the lottery you drop down one slot.

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03-29-2013, 06:25 AM
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if they get the 1st pick its jones... i'm all in on this draft though... id package the schenns and try for the 2nd pick to go after drouin and id be willining to package up couturier to grab nurse... go after bernier with simmonds as the centerpiece ...proper rebuild mode

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03-29-2013, 06:29 AM
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if they get the 1st pick its jones... i'm all in on this draft though... id package the schenns and try for the 2nd pick to go after drouin and id be willining to package up couturier to grab nurse... go after bernier with simmonds as the centerpiece ...proper rebuild mode
Couturier for a guy who won't play in the NHL for at least 3 years? Two former #5 overall picks who play well considering their age for Drouin?

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03-29-2013, 06:34 AM
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yes and yes... so we suck for 2014 and 2015... thats two more young studs to add to the rebuild... tired of the patch jobs

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03-29-2013, 07:20 AM
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got a better idea, get Jones with first, hold on to the Schenns and Coutts, let our prospects develop and not ship them out

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03-29-2013, 07:41 AM
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yes and yes... so we suck for 2014 and 2015... thats two more young studs to add to the rebuild... tired of the patch jobs
Might as well trade Giroux instead of the Schenns and Couturier. Would suck in 2014 and 2015 but you could get a better package and when the draft picks are ready to contribute in the NHL, your core won't be in their late 20s, early 30s.

But going after draft picks, however awesome and studly as they might turn out to be doesn't guarentee a successful rebuild. Just ask Edmonton.

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03-29-2013, 08:11 AM
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I would trade Couts in a package for another top 3
Pick

If we could walk away with

Jones/Mac-Drouin

Or

Mac and Drouin

Oh my

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if they get the 1st pick its jones... i'm all in on this draft though... id package the schenns and try for the 2nd pick to go after drouin and id be willining to package up couturier to grab nurse... go after bernier with simmonds as the centerpiece ...proper rebuild mode
Trading your three youngest and highest potential players who are currently in the NHL is 100% not a "proper rebuild."

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03-29-2013, 09:46 AM
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With the trading of Richards and Carter our fanbase has somehow decided that all problems can be solved by trading away players that don't need to be traded...

Let Couturier and the Schenns play for gods sake! Top 5 draft pick, id like Jones or Nurse as a Dman would be nice obviously.. I dont see us getting #1 overall unless its a lottery win. We aren't the worst in the league even with our D out.

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03-29-2013, 09:52 AM
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I would trade Couts in a package for another top 3
Pick

If we could walk away with

Jones/Mac-Drouin

Or

Mac and Drouin

Oh my
Or we could walk away with...

Couturier + MacKinnon

or

Couturier + Drouin

or

Couturier + Jones


.....................all that without losing Couturier and other assets for absolutely no reason....

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03-29-2013, 09:52 AM
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Honestly, Couts had a really good game last night and I hope that makes Lavy play him more and more, and hopefully with better linemates.

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03-29-2013, 09:54 AM
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Still would rather have 2 of jones/Mac/Drouin over couts

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03-29-2013, 09:55 AM
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With the trading of Richards and Carter our fanbase has somehow decided that all problems can be solved by trading away players that don't need to be traded...

Let Couturier and the Schenns play for gods sake! Top 5 draft pick, id like Jones or Nurse as a Dman would be nice obviously.. I dont see us getting #1 overall unless its a lottery win. We aren't the worst in the league even with our D out.
I'm just as intrigued with the possibility of landing MacKinnon or Drouin and then using one of B. Schenn or S. Couturier in a package for a potential #1 type guy further along in their developement.

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I'm just as intrigued with the possibility of landing MacKinnon or Drouin and then using one of B. Schenn or S. Couturier in a package for a potential #1 type guy further along in their developement.
As am I, but it's all dependent on who that "potential #1" is and whether we have a deal lined up before Draft day or not.

In terms of raw value, I have MacKinnon = Jones > Drouin (incredibly slightly). If we can get Jones, it makes sense given the need, but if we miss Jones and land MacKinnon, I still do cartwheels. If 1-2-3 held up as we are now, it likely goes MacKinnon - Jones - Drouin (Flyers), which is fine by me as well.

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