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03-13-2013, 08:27 PM
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Couturier's shooting percentage this season is 4.7%. Right now Luke Schenn's shooting percentage is 5.0%.

Last year, Couturier's shooting percentage was 11.2% which is FAR more realistic.

Likewise, RNH's shooting percentage last year was 13.4%. This year it is 3.6%.

It's fairly obvious why both of them are struggling substantially in the offensive zone.
So what you are saying is its time to panic.

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03-13-2013, 10:17 PM
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Everyone needs to relax, the kid is going to be great. Yes, right now he is really struggling. Remember, he is 20 years old and is leaned on in a defensive role no other 20 year old has to deal with. He is not put in a position to flourish offensively like other kids that are sheltered. His offense will come around. Maybe not this season, but soon. Please show some patience and confidence in the kid.

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03-19-2013, 12:12 PM
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Coutourier's defensive play is really overrated around here. He's no Briere, but he also doesn't, at least not yet, excel at it. We all saw that on Tampa's third goal yesterday, made in part possible by his weak play on the boards against Stamkos.

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03-29-2013, 11:14 AM
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I've been told for a while that Couturier's offense will be able to translate into the NHL,
and I've been waiting patiently hoping for something.

The reality is , by now we should have seen at-least a glimpse of what is to come. But we have not. Yes he is young, and yes he has yet to physically mature. But what he lacks in is something that can't be taught.

Couturier is a very very slow skater, It is not going to improve, you can not teach a person to be faster. If he is ever going to be a point producer he will need a winger like voracek that can handle the puck enter the zone and provide some athleticism to the line.

The more I watch him the more he reminds me of A slower handzus. Part of me sees him as the odd man out in the future and wants to trade him for a d man prospect. But another part of me wants to keep him to try to up his value some what next year before trading him.

Either way I feel he is the chip that will be used to bring in a d prospect for us.

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03-29-2013, 11:19 AM
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I've been told for a while that Couturier's offense will be able to translate into the NHL,
and I've been waiting patiently hoping for something.

The reality is , by now we should have seen at-least a glimpse of what is to come. But we have not. Yes he is young, and yes he has yet to physically mature. But what he lacks in is something that can't be taught.

Couturier is a very very slow skater, It is not going to improve, you can not teach a person to be faster. If he is ever going to be a point producer he will need a winger like voracek that can handle the puck enter the zone and provide some athleticism to the line.

The more I watch him the more he reminds me of A slower handzus. Part of me sees him as the odd man out in the future and wants to trade him for a d man prospect. But another part of me wants to keep him to try to up his value some what next year before trading him.

Either way I feel he is the chip that will be used to bring in a d prospect for us.
I disagree. I went from a 4.9 40y to a 4.6 in less than a year just learning to sprint and working on quickness/starts and I saw another person even improve more. That is running, but I imagine the same could be done with skating, at the very least his first step and quickness.

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03-29-2013, 11:25 AM
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I've been told for a while that Couturier's offense will be able to translate into the NHL,
and I've been waiting patiently hoping for something.

The reality is , by now we should have seen at-least a glimpse of what is to come. But we have not. Yes he is young, and yes he has yet to physically mature. But what he lacks in is something that can't be taught.

Couturier is a very very slow skater, It is not going to improve, you can not teach a person to be faster. If he is ever going to be a point producer he will need a winger like voracek that can handle the puck enter the zone and provide some athleticism to the line.

The more I watch him the more he reminds me of A slower handzus. Part of me sees him as the odd man out in the future and wants to trade him for a d man prospect. But another part of me wants to keep him to try to up his value some what next year before trading him.

Either way I feel he is the chip that will be used to bring in a d prospect for us.
There were some decent signs last season that he would eventually up his offensive game. Remember that 6 or 7 game point streak he had? This year has been a slump, but again, he had a bad start and hasn't really had much of an opportunity to play with some of the team's better players or on the PP since. I'm a long, long way from writing him off.

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03-29-2013, 11:32 AM
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I disagree. I went from a 4.9 40y to a 4.6 in less than a year just learning to sprint and working on quickness/starts and I saw another person even improve more. That is running, but I imagine the same could be done with skating, at the very least his first step and quickness.
What you did was improve your mechanics/ efficiency. Which can be done. In fact combine training for the 40 yd dash is all about technique in the first 10 yds. the last 30 are genetics.

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03-29-2013, 11:45 AM
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skating is technique, not foot speed, Forsberg was a good skater but couldn't run for ****

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03-29-2013, 11:51 AM
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skating is technique, not foot speed, Forsberg was a good skater but couldn't run for ****
their is also a direct correlation between straight away running speed and staight away skating speed.

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03-29-2013, 11:51 AM
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There were some decent signs last season that he would eventually up his offensive game. Remember that 6 or 7 game point streak he had? This year has been a slump, but again, he had a bad start and hasn't really had much of an opportunity to play with some of the team's better players or on the PP since. I'm a long, long way from writing him off.
It was a 5 game goal streak. Plus you have the hat trick in the playoffs. I do not think Couturier will be a point per game player. I think he will be a 20+ plus goals 50 pt center. For the defensive assignments that he will get, that would be great. Even if the points don't materialize and he ends up a Handzus or Hanzal, you need a guy like that to win the cup. Brindamour, Primeau, Rob Niedermayer, Jordan Staal were as important for winning their team the cup as were the superstar centers on their teams. Out of Crosby, Malkin, Letang, Staal, Guerin, it was Max Talbot that scored both goals to win Game 7 against Detroit (not to say Couturier will only amount to a Talbot, just an example of how defensive specialists have a huge impact in the playoffs)

Everyone on this team looks like crap this year. Everyone. Giroux has disappeared for games. Voracek who was hot has now disappeared. For as great as Simmonds has been offensively, he looks lost in the defensive zone and careless in the neutral zone. Same for B.Schenn minus the offense. Judging anyone off this crap storm is foolish IMO.

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03-29-2013, 12:37 PM
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It was a 5 game goal streak. Plus you have the hat trick in the playoffs. I do not think Couturier will be a point per game player. I think he will be a 20+ plus goals 50 pt center. For the defensive assignments that he will get, that would be great. Even if the points don't materialize and he ends up a Handzus or Hanzal, you need a guy like that to win the cup. Brindamour, Primeau, Rob Niedermayer, Jordan Staal were as important for winning their team the cup as were the superstar centers on their teams. Out of Crosby, Malkin, Letang, Staal, Guerin, it was Max Talbot that scored both goals to win Game 7 against Detroit (not to say Couturier will only amount to a Talbot, just an example of how defensive specialists have a huge impact in the playoffs)

Everyone on this team looks like crap this year. Everyone. Giroux has disappeared for games. Voracek who was hot has now disappeared. For as great as Simmonds has been offensively, he looks lost in the defensive zone and careless in the neutral zone. Same for B.Schenn minus the offense. Judging anyone off this crap storm is foolish IMO.
I agree with this post. Especially the second paragraph. He has been stuck on lines with 4 line players all season on a bottom five team

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03-29-2013, 01:04 PM
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Yea he's 20 years of age he is fully developed and what we see this year is what he will be like for his entire career. Trade him right now.

Have some patience for gods sake

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03-29-2013, 01:10 PM
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It was a 5 game goal streak. Plus you have the hat trick in the playoffs. I do not think Couturier will be a point per game player. I think he will be a 20+ plus goals 50 pt center. For the defensive assignments that he will get, that would be great. Even if the points don't materialize and he ends up a Handzus or Hanzal, you need a guy like that to win the cup. Brindamour, Primeau, Rob Niedermayer, Jordan Staal were as important for winning their team the cup as were the superstar centers on their teams. Out of Crosby, Malkin, Letang, Staal, Guerin, it was Max Talbot that scored both goals to win Game 7 against Detroit (not to say Couturier will only amount to a Talbot, just an example of how defensive specialists have a huge impact in the playoffs)

Everyone on this team looks like crap this year. Everyone. Giroux has disappeared for games. Voracek who was hot has now disappeared. For as great as Simmonds has been offensively, he looks lost in the defensive zone and careless in the neutral zone. Same for B.Schenn minus the offense. Judging anyone off this crap storm is foolish IMO.
100 % agree. Carter and Richards didn't look great their first 2 years and they turned out alright. Patience is a virtue.

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03-29-2013, 01:17 PM
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The problem with this fan base (and most fan bases in general) is that everyone expects their prospects to come right into the league and hit their potential right away. If they don't, their busts. Then when the team trades them and those players find success , they wanna hoot and holler that our management screwed up. Hypocrites with no patience.

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100 % agree. Carter and Richards didn't look great their first 2 years and they turned out alright. Patience is a virtue.
But atleast Carter was able to display some that elite skating ability that he has and that transferred over.

What im saying is , i dont see couturier ever becoming more mobile than what he already is. And in todays nhl not many top 6 centers exist that are so slow footed that they can't enter the zone with the puck on a regular basis.

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I've been told for a while that Couturier's offense will be able to translate into the NHL,
and I've been waiting patiently hoping for something.
A season and a half... he doesn't have 20 goals yet... might as well trade him away because he obviously blows for a 20 year old...

Christ...

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But atleast Carter was able to display some that elite skating ability that he has and that transferred over.

What im saying is , i dont see couturier ever becoming more mobile than what he already is. And in todays nhl not many top 6 centers exist that are so slow footed that they can't enter the zone with the puck on a regular basis.
I have that same concern as well. But I'd like to give him more time to see if he can improve. I mean, Tavares was a pretty bad/slow skater when he entered the league. He's still not all that fast but he's improved. Im hoping Couts does as well.

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Vs. Pittsburgh and the Rangers, Sean Couturier had 1 offensive zone start TOTAL. Not going to score much if you never get a chance to. His shooting percentage also can't stay what it is.

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I have that same concern as well. But I'd like to give him more time to see if he can improve. I mean, Tavares was a pretty bad/slow skater when he entered the league. He's still not all that fast but he's improved. Im hoping Couts does as well.
The same was said of Spezza, even Giroux to a degree, when they were drafted and coming up.
I believe the combination of Briere getting undeserved top-6 minutes, and our lackluster defense, have had a negative impact on his offensive production.

No doubt that our management and trainers are aware of Couturier's shortcomings with footspeed and can implement that into his offseason training routine.

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I'd trade Schenn+Schenn before I'd trade Couturier.

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The same was said of Spezza, even Giroux to a degree, when they were drafted and coming up.
I believe the combination of Briere getting undeserved top-6 minutes, and our lackluster defense, have had a negative impact on his offensive production.

No doubt that our management and trainers are aware of Couturier's shortcomings with footspeed and can implement that into his offseason training routine.
He was already working on it last offseason.

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Not worried about Couturier. He's shown too much too early to not be worth sticking with.

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His skating holds him back.

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His skating holds him back......
......from shutting down a far superior skater in Malkin

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The same was said of Spezza, even Giroux to a degree, when they were drafted and coming up.
I believe the combination of Briere getting undeserved top-6 minutes, and our lackluster defense, have had a negative impact on his offensive production.

No doubt that our management and trainers are aware of Couturier's shortcomings with footspeed and can implement that into his offseason training routine.
What im saying is, what you see is what you get in terms of his speed, he will never be able to get faster, maybe he will improve his skating economics but that is it. He is not an explosive athlete by any means. That is fine many other skaters arent either but I feel that skilll is really going to lower the ceiling on how he progresses.

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