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03-26-2013, 03:17 PM
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Hey I love Clarkie as much as the next guy, but you're delusional if you think any player as they were from that era could even crack an nhl lineup today. That's my point. The game has evolved beyond what it was at that time an astonishing amount in terms of the conditioning and overall skill level of the players.

This is a completely different game.
If you teleport him directly from the 70s to now and made him use his old equipment, of course his performance wouldn't be as good.

If he grew up today with the same advantages and training techniques available to modern athletes, it's perfectly reasonable to believe he'd be just as dominant relative to his peers as he was back in the 70s.

Edit: Gretzky is a great example. He grew up using the old techniques and equipment and he played into the modern era. In his second to last season, in the middle of the dead puck era, nearly a decade out of his prime with a ruined back, he still managed to put up 90 points in 82 games. He had 62 points in his final season. Remember, this is when he was a shadow of his former self. He wasn't having much trouble keeping up with modern athletes. I think you're overestimating the differences between players now and then by a bit.

Edit 2: Many of the fundamentals are pretty unchanged. All he'd need to do is get in better shape and exercise more discipline. Neither of those is impossible.

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03-26-2013, 04:05 PM
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Yeah, the training now is light years ahead. Plus, players make enough money now that they don't have to hold down summer jobs like in Rocket Richard's era.

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I must be older than you because for me Clarke's coming out party was the 1972 Summit Series. For me Canada does not win the series vs the U.S.S.R. without Clarke. Yes he was a youngster amid all the super stars of that time. But his determination and never say die attitude really came to the forefront for all the world to see. A lot of the russians have said that he was Canada's best player in that series. When it comes to Bobby Clarke my blood gets pumping. Cause for me he was the greatist Flyer of ALL time and the man who is the mold when you think of FLYER HOCKEY
Yep, you've got me by a few years, old timer. I was 6 years old during the '72 summit series; I vaguely remember being in the room when my dad was watching, but no more than that.

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If you teleport him directly from the 70s to now and made him use his old equipment, of course his performance wouldn't be as good.

If he grew up today with the same advantages and training techniques available to modern athletes, it's perfectly reasonable to believe he'd be just as dominant relative to his peers as he was back in the 70s.
I agree. I also think the important way of thinking about it is not to move current generations players backward in time, but to move the historical players forward to present time.

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03-26-2013, 05:13 PM
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I agree. I also think the important way of thinking about it is not to move current generations players backward in time, but to move the historical players forward to present time.
This is my last post on the topic because I don't want to derail this thread further (again), but I think you could definitely move Bobby Hull straight up to present times and he'd be a terror. Imagine his shot with modern sticks:




Guy is ripped even by today's standards.

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03-26-2013, 05:17 PM
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Guy is ripped even by today's standards.
The fact that he was ripped doesn't really matter. The fact that he was jacked on the other hand...

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Thanks for sharing your desktop, Beef.

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Desktop? It's a 10 foot fathead on my ceiling.

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Haha! Good stuff. Also: Yeah, he's jacked.

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If you teleport him directly from the 70s to now and made him use his old equipment, of course his performance wouldn't be as good.

If he grew up today with the same advantages and training techniques available to modern athletes, it's perfectly reasonable to believe he'd be just as dominant relative to his peers as he was back in the 70s.

Edit: Gretzky is a great example. He grew up using the old techniques and equipment and he played into the modern era. In his second to last season, in the middle of the dead puck era, nearly a decade out of his prime with a ruined back, he still managed to put up 90 points in 82 games. He had 62 points in his final season. Remember, this is when he was a shadow of his former self. He wasn't having much trouble keeping up with modern athletes. I think you're overestimating the differences between players now and then by a bit.

Edit 2: Many of the fundamentals are pretty unchanged. All he'd need to do is get in better shape and exercise more discipline. Neither of those is impossible.
I completely agree. My point was more based on the time machine theory. Reading the game is relative, and if you brought great players like Clarke from back then and had them learn the game and develop under today's standards, they might be just as good of players in relation to the game today... But Clarke probably wouldn't be able to play the same way or else he'd shatter the record for penalties in a season.

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Hey I love Clarkie as much as the next guy, but you're delusional if you think any player as they were from that era could even crack an nhl lineup today. That's my point. The game has evolved beyond what it was at that time an astonishing amount in terms of the conditioning and overall skill level of the players.

This is a completely different game.
You are kidding right?

By the way the 72 Summit Series on TV tonight. Talk about de-ja vu.


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Any updates?
aka are we going to be able to trade him?

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Exactly.

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This is my last post on the topic because I don't want to derail this thread further (again), but I think you could definitely move Bobby Hull straight up to present times and he'd be a terror. Imagine his shot with modern sticks:




Guy is ripped even by today's standards.
That's all well and nice, but you're trying to distract us from the real issue at HAND:

Why do you have two half-naked pictures of Bobby Hull ready to go at a moments notice?

Explain yourself!

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hopefully he'll be all better. in August. on another team.

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That's all well and nice, but you're trying to distract us from the real issue at HAND:

Why do you have two half-naked pictures of Bobby Hull ready to go at a moments notice?

Explain yourself!
What, you don't have half naked pictures of burly men bookmarked and ready do go?

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03-29-2013, 01:46 PM
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come back soon danny

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They need him back because they can't amnesty him if he's not cleared medically.

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I must be older than you because for me Clarke's coming out party was the 1972 Summit Series. For me Canada does not win the series vs the U.S.S.R. without Clarke. Yes he was a youngster amid all the super stars of that time. But his determination and never say die attitude really came to the forefront for all the world to see. A lot of the russians have said that he was Canada's best player in that series. When it comes to Bobby Clarke my blood gets pumping. Cause for me he was the greatist Flyer of ALL time and the man who is the mold when you think of FLYER HOCKEY
You nailed this Pete. I became a Clarke fan during Team Canada, esp. after the Russian coach said 'Esposito is their leader, but Clarke is their best player.' He centred the line with Henderson and Ellis that did all the damage and I became a Flyer fan!

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What, you don't have half naked pictures of burly men bookmarked and ready do go?
Sadly, no. I used to, but then one of my students noticed my screensaver, and the principal was called, and now I have monitoring software on my computer.

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If I met Briere, I would say the same thing Newman says to the record store dude.

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What, you don't have half naked pictures of burly men bookmarked and ready do go?
Lindros jacked

Pronger huge

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Briere is a ****ing anchor to this team even when he's injured.

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People want Danny Briere out really bad here....

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