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03-29-2013, 10:37 PM
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Should have 3 years ago when it was obvious we needed a #2 C.
Blame Dale Tallon for drafting Kyle Beach in the first round of the 2008 NHL Draft and Dylan Olsen (Cam Barker v2.0) in the first round of the 2009 NHL Draft when the altenative was a 37 year old Robert Lang. Two first round busts with nothing to show for.

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03-29-2013, 11:04 PM
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Over those last two seasons. Lol. Get back to me when Frolik shuts down Henrik Sedin and Joe Thornton while contributing 0.727 PPG on the offensive end during a 20+ game run to the Cup Finals. Until then, get real. Bolland's a playoff warrior over 49 career playoff games, not 11.
**** that. He couldn't shut down ****ing Phoenix last year. Open your eyes.

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03-29-2013, 11:06 PM
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**** that. He couldn't shut down ****ing Phoenix last year. Open your eyes.
Bolland was not the problem in last year's playoffs.

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03-29-2013, 11:13 PM
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Bolland was not the problem in last year's playoffs.
He did not shut them down. So when 'he's shuts down a team it is all him. When 'he' doesn't it is the rest of the teams fault. Got it.

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03-29-2013, 11:15 PM
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He did not shut them down. So when 'he's shuts down a team it is all him. When 'he' doesn't it is the rest of the teams fault. Got it.
I'm no Bolland apologist, but Phoenix's best players all were pretty bad stat-wise that series. He did his job.

That's really it right there, though. He's a third line center, and a great one at that. He just simply shouldn't be playing #2C - that's become really clear.

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03-29-2013, 11:24 PM
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Doan...5g 4a. Hanzel 3G 3a. First two guys I looked up. Yeah....he shut them the **** down.

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03-29-2013, 11:26 PM
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Um... those are their stats from their entire playoff run.

Can't remember their first line offhand, although I'm fairly sure it had Whitney on it. Vrbata too? I think he might have been hurt... can't recall. I do remember looking at their stats afterward and noting how the first line guys all had a pretty weak series.

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03-29-2013, 11:30 PM
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Um... those are their stats from their entire playoff run.

Can't remember their first line offhand, although I'm fairly sure it had Whitney on it. Vrbata too? I think he might have been hurt... can't recall. I do remember looking at their stats afterward and noting how the first line guys all had a pretty weak series.
I will let you go over the individual box scores. I would like that proven to me.

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03-29-2013, 11:40 PM
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What a pretentious way to say it

But I guess...
Looking back at Phoenix GDT's, their first line was Vrbata, Hanzal, and Whitney. Hanzal missed some games so we'll just throw Doan in there for good measure.
Whitney: 1G, 2A in 6 games.
Vrbata: 1A in 6 games.
Hanzal: 1G in 3 games.
Doan: 1G, 1A in 6 games.

For a combined total of 3 goals and 4 assists in 21 games. I'd say holding the opponent's best to 0.33 ppg is pretty good, hm?

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03-29-2013, 11:40 PM
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The invention of game logs makes it quite easy

Doan: 1 G, 1 A
Hanzal: 1 G, 0 A (3 GP)
Boedker(?): 2 G, 2 A

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03-29-2013, 11:43 PM
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The invention of game logs makes it quite easy

Doan: 1 G, 1 A
Hanzal: 1 G, 0 A (3 GP)
Boedker(?): 2 G, 2 A
Boedker played second line minutes during the series.

Technically we shouldn't even include Doan. I think Chipchura centered their top line for the three games Hanzal missed.

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03-29-2013, 11:44 PM
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Should have 3 years ago when it was obvious we needed a #2 C.
Three years ago the Hawks were in cap hell after the cup win and couldn't afford to bring in anyone.

People keep complaining about Bowman not getting a 2C, but who was available to the Hawks and within the Hawks price range?

Richards? He was traded when Soupy (and his caphit) was still on the team.
Carter? Same as above when Philly traded him and then on a division rival.
Vermette? Traded from a division rival.
Anisimov & Dubinsky? Traded for Nash.
Roy? Traded for Ott. Who on the Hawks fits would be a comparable return?
Ribero? Nieuwendyk doesn't trade with the West. (Or at least no GM in the West has been willing to massively overpay ie Saad for Grossman)
Hodgson?
Turris? Maybe. But the Hawks didn't have any one comparable to Runblad in the system (and Turris was god awful before going to the Sens).
Jokinen & Richards singed bloated contracts as UFAs that the Hawks couldn't afford to match.

Hard to fill a hole when you don't have a lot of options.

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03-29-2013, 11:50 PM
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When 'he' doesn't it is the rest of the teams fault. Got it.
Bruno, Morrison, and Bollig combined for as many goals as the Hawks top 6 did in that series. Pretty hard to point the finger at the 3C when that happens.

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03-30-2013, 12:07 AM
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What a pretentious way to say it

But I guess...
Looking back at Phoenix GDT's, their first line was Vrbata, Hanzal, and Whitney. Hanzal missed some games so we'll just throw Doan in there for good measure.
Whitney: 1G, 2A in 6 games.
Vrbata: 1A in 6 games.
Hanzal: 1G in 3 games.
Doan: 1G, 1A in 6 games.

For a combined total of 3 goals and 4 assists in 21 games. I'd say holding the opponent's best to 0.33 ppg is pretty good, hm?
Not pretentious. I just don't have the time to do it.

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03-30-2013, 05:53 AM
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People blaming Bolland for last year is one of the most ridiculous things I have seen.

Yes Bolland isn't a #2 C or atleast doesn't quite know what the role of a #2 C is yet. That being said anyone wanting him off this team doesn't know hockey.

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03-30-2013, 05:57 AM
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Three years ago the Hawks were in cap hell after the cup win and couldn't afford to bring in anyone.

People keep complaining about Bowman not getting a 2C, but who was available to the Hawks and within the Hawks price range?

Richards? He was traded when Soupy (and his caphit) was still on the team.
Carter? Same as above when Philly traded him and then on a division rival.
Vermette? Traded from a division rival.
Anisimov & Dubinsky? Traded for Nash.
Roy? Traded for Ott. Who on the Hawks fits would be a comparable return?
Ribero? Nieuwendyk doesn't trade with the West. (Or at least no GM in the West has been willing to massively overpay ie Saad for Grossman)
Hodgson?
Turris? Maybe. But the Hawks didn't have any one comparable to Runblad in the system (and Turris was god awful before going to the Sens).
Jokinen & Richards singed bloated contracts as UFAs that the Hawks couldn't afford to match.

Hard to fill a hole when you don't have a lot of options.
Look a whole list of excuses, that will be great when excuses win you games.

Those are the guys who where traded, there are guys who are available but aren't traded and guys who you could make available if you try hard enough. Fact is Bowman is so in love with his prospect pool he is scared to trade any of them despite the fact that there is a glaring hole that still hasn't been filled.

Since you know all the excuses, what will be the one for this year when we still don't have a #2 C?


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03-30-2013, 11:23 AM
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People blaming Bolland for last year is one of the most ridiculous things I have seen.

Yes Bolland isn't a #2 C or atleast doesn't quite know what the role of a #2 C is yet. That being said anyone wanting him off this team doesn't know hockey.
- Bad back
- Always struggles in regular season
- Has proven he has no value or ability as #2 C
- Overpaid
- 1 yr away from UFA
- Effort is always questionable
- Has never improved at faceoffs his entire time in NHL

If Bolland was traded it wouldn't kill Hawks at all ,, Infact he is likely a guy who is on block in summer anyway


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03-30-2013, 11:52 AM
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I've been a Bolland for most of his career but he just rarely seems to bring his A game and that sort of thing trickles down the lineup in terms of dominance and point totals. At this point Kruger, Frolik, and Shaw are all harder to play against than Bolly.

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03-30-2013, 12:01 PM
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Those are the guys who where traded
Those are the only players we as fans know were available. Anything else is pure speculation.

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there are guys who are available but aren't traded
The only reason an available player isn't traded is price. Why hasn't Van traded Lou? Because no GM is willing to pay the price to acquire him. So your complaint is apparently that Bowman wasn't willing to overpay for a player that 28 other teams deemed to costly.

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and guys who you could make available if you try hard enough.
By overpaying. That's not how a successful organization works. If you want to see what happens to a team when the GM routinely overpays for players go look at the Sharks. Mediocre team now, an aging core, and no prospect help coming.

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Fact is Bowman is so in love with his prospect pool he is scared to trade any of them
Pure speculation. For all we know other teams just don't think very highly of guys like Morin and Pirri.

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Since you know all the excuses, what will be the one for this year when we still don't have a #2 C?
Reality. Weiss is injured. The Stars are 1 point out of the playoffs (and GM Joe doesn't trade with the West) so Roy is a no go. Washington is trying to resign Ribs and are only 4 points out of the playoffs. Other than that what 2C's are available?

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03-30-2013, 12:16 PM
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At this point bolland is a trade piece to me. With. Hossa and sharp out this was his chance to step up offensively and he just hasnt done that.

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03-30-2013, 12:28 PM
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- Bad back
- Always struggles in regular season
- Has proven he has no value or ability as #2 C
- Overpaid
- 1 yr away from UFA
- Effort is always questionable
- Has never improved at faceoffs his entire time in NHL

If Bolland was traded it wouldn't kill Hawks at all ,, Infact he is likely a guy who is on block in summer anyway
While I don't think it would kill the Hawks, I do think until Bowman resolves getting a legitimate #2 center, that trading Bolland, and weakening the middle would hurt in the short-term.

Remember, that while his offense and faceoffs leave something to be desired, he still plays his own end (most of the time anyway) better than a lot of centers in the league.

The issue to me is when Sharp/Hossa return why not try Sharp back at center, and move Bolland back to the third line? Short of acquiring an Ott, or a Roy, I think moving Bolland to another team and not finding another center would weaken this team.

It's in Bowman's court, he's know this for years, and for two years in a row he's provided patch-work centermen for that stretch run, e.g. Ryan Johnson and Brendan Morrison. Maybe this year he'll have learned his lesson, and go out and get a legit center that isn't past his prime or overmatched. A center they can slot into that second line.

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03-30-2013, 12:33 PM
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- Bad back
- Always struggles in regular season
- Has proven he has no value or ability as #2 C
- Overpaid
- 1 yr away from UFA
- Effort is always questionable
- Has never improved at faceoffs his entire time in NHL

If Bolland was traded it wouldn't kill Hawks at all ,, Infact he is likely a guy who is on block in summer anyway
And people laughed when I said, after the cup win, that we have seen the best of Dave Bolland and he wasn't movable with that recently (at the time) signed contract.

Many are still waiting for Davey to reappear, good luck wit dat.

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03-30-2013, 12:46 PM
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I have been a big fan of Bolland since his junior days. I'll admit I'm disappointed in his season so far. It looks like he's blowing the second line opportunity that I always hoped he'd get. However, I won't accept that "he ALWAYS struggles in the regular season". If you look at his career an average season is around 20 goals and fifty points over a full year. Thats not bad for any third line centre. I also disagree with anyone who questions his effort. Simply making a statement doesn't make it so.

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03-30-2013, 12:48 PM
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Let's be honest.

If Bolland could lift the puck we'd all be singing his praises right now because he'd have about 5 more goals.

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Let's be honest.

If Bolland could lift the puck we'd all be singing his praises right now because he'd have about 5 more goals.
...and if my Aunt had a set, she'd be my Uncle.

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