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03-30-2013, 05:21 AM
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Tor/edm

Edm: Grabovski, Gardiner
Tor: Smid, Khabi, Belanger, Edmonton's 1st 2014

I am super tired right now so I am sorry if this seems terrible.

Toronto does this because they have a good shot at a deep playoff run this year if they fill holes.
Khabi has always been a playoff performer and would provide a ton of experience with little risk as he is a UFA this summer.
Smid will bring a ton of reliability and grit to their blueline. Belanger is a cap toss in but he is responsible defensively and wins most of his faceoffs.

Edmonton does this because we have more stay at home D than we do puck moving D. Whitney will likely be traded leaving a hole their that Potter won't be able to fill.
Grabovski gives us a talented 2-way center and with Belanger being traded we save on an amnesty buyout.

Feel free to flame it, but I do believe a deal around Smid for Gardiner makes sense for both teams.

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03-30-2013, 05:26 AM
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Edm: Grabovski, Gardiner
Tor: Smid, Khabi, Belanger, Edmonton's 1st 2014

I am super tired right now so I am sorry if this seems terrible.

Toronto does this because they have a good shot at a deep playoff run this year if they fill holes.
Khabi has always been a playoff performer and would provide a ton of experience with little risk as he is a UFA this summer.
Smid will bring a ton of reliability and grit to their blueline. Belanger is a cap toss in but he is responsible defensively and wins most of his faceoffs.

Edmonton does this because we have more stay at home D than we do puck moving D. Whitney will likely be traded leaving a hole their that Potter won't be able to fill.
Grabovski gives us a talented 2-way center and with Belanger being traded we save on an amnesty buyout.

Feel free to flame it, but I do believe a deal around Smid for Gardiner makes sense for both teams.
Awful for both teams. Smid is a UFA so how would a deal around him and Gardiner make sense for Toronto? And no thanks on Grabo. Good player but to high of a cap hit for us to take when we need to sign Gagner and RNH in the coming years plus we still have Horcoff and his 5.5m cap hit.

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03-30-2013, 05:27 AM
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Edm: Grabovski, Gardiner
Tor: Smid, Khabi, Belanger, Edmonton's 1st 2014

I am super tired right now so I am sorry if this seems terrible.

Toronto does this because they have a good shot at a deep playoff run this year if they fill holes.
Khabi has always been a playoff performer and would provide a ton of experience with little risk as he is a UFA this summer.
Smid will bring a ton of reliability and grit to their blueline. Belanger is a cap toss in but he is responsible defensively and wins most of his faceoffs.

Edmonton does this because we have more stay at home D than we do puck moving D. Whitney will likely be traded leaving a hole their that Potter won't be able to fill.
Grabovski gives us a talented 2-way center and with Belanger being traded we save on an amnesty buyout.

Feel free to flame it, but I do believe a deal around Smid for Gardiner makes sense for both teams.
No, no it doesn't. Oilers cannot trade Smid right now. Also why would Toronto want Belanger?? Bad trade for both teams.

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03-30-2013, 05:51 AM
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How about:

TO TOR: Gagner + Smid + Khabi

TO EDM: Gardiner + Scrivens + Holzer

Leafs add a skilled centre, veteran minute munching D and a veteran goalie. Edmonton reunites Gardiner with Schultz and adds more young pieces.

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03-30-2013, 08:00 AM
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How about:

TO TOR: Gagner + Smid + Khabi

TO EDM: Gardiner + Scrivens + Holzer

Leafs add a skilled centre, veteran minute munching D and a veteran goalie. Edmonton reunites Gardiner with Schultz and adds more young pieces.
THat's even worse. Edmonton gives up their best center and their best d-man more PMD and a couple of guys who won't really matter a few years down the line.

Toronto gets an upgrade at center but they're getting a dman who's about togo UFA.

Horrible for both teams. If you took Smid or Gagner out of the equation I still wouldn't be remotely interested.

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As a Leafs fan, it's quite easy saying no to that deal.

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03-30-2013, 08:11 AM
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Toronto is on the verge of the making the playoffs for the first time post lockout (yeah, yeah.... the first one), why would we trade roster players for 2014 draft picks?

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03-30-2013, 08:15 AM
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The OP deal is horrendous for the Leafs. Unless the Oilers win the lottery, the Leafs lose way too much in the deal.

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03-30-2013, 08:48 AM
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THat's even worse. Edmonton gives up their best center and their best d-man more PMD and a couple of guys who won't really matter a few years down the line.

Toronto gets an upgrade at center but they're getting a dman who's about togo UFA.

Horrible for both teams. If you took Smid or Gagner out of the equation I still wouldn't be remotely interested.
Gagner is having a decent year in a shortened season, and all of a sudden he's your best centre? Toronto gets fleeced in both deals.

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03-30-2013, 08:52 AM
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Bad for both teams, but Edmonton doesn't do this because Grabo doesn't meet their team needs going forward.

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03-30-2013, 08:54 AM
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How about:

TO TOR: Gagner + Smid + Khabi

TO EDM: Gardiner + Scrivens + Holzer

Leafs add a skilled centre, veteran minute munching D and a veteran goalie. Edmonton reunites Gardiner with Schultz and adds more young pieces.

If you Edmonton guys want Gardiner so bad I'm sure the leafs would give him up for Ryan Nugent-Hopkins.

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Bad for both teams

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I don't think this makes sense for any team but I'd love Smid on the Leafs if he doesn't re-sign with the Oilers.

What would Smid cost?

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03-30-2013, 08:57 AM
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THat's even worse. Edmonton gives up their best center and their best d-man more PMD and a couple of guys who won't really matter a few years down the line.

Toronto gets an upgrade at center but they're getting a dman who's about togo UFA.

Horrible for both teams. If you took Smid or Gagner out of the equation I still wouldn't be remotely interested.
okay ...i'd more than gladly take nugent hopkins instead if you place so much value on Gagner.

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03-30-2013, 09:15 AM
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Edm: Grabovski, Gardiner
Tor: Smid, Khabi, Belanger, Edmonton's 1st 2014

I am super tired right now so I am sorry if this seems terrible.

Toronto does this because they have a good shot at a deep playoff run this year if they fill holes.
Khabi has always been a playoff performer and would provide a ton of experience with little risk as he is a UFA this summer.
Smid will bring a ton of reliability and grit to their blueline. Belanger is a cap toss in but he is responsible defensively and wins most of his faceoffs.

Edmonton does this because we have more stay at home D than we do puck moving D. Whitney will likely be traded leaving a hole their that Potter won't be able to fill.
Grabovski gives us a talented 2-way center and with Belanger being traded we save on an amnesty buyout.

Feel free to flame it, but I do believe a deal around Smid for Gardiner makes sense for both teams.
Toronto gives up the two best assets in the deal so we say no very easily

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03-30-2013, 09:45 AM
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How about:

TO TOR: Gagner + Smid + Khabi

TO EDM: Gardiner + Scrivens + Holzer

Leafs add a skilled centre, veteran minute munching D and a veteran goalie. Edmonton reunites Gardiner with Schultz and adds more young pieces.
Leafs say no. Gagner doesn't have that kind of value to the Leafs, because, frankly, no one here trusts him to put up those numbers over a full season. Smid's a good player, but this is an instance where it would cost too much to get him, because he means too much to the Oilers.

If the Leafs wanted Khabi, he could probably be had for a pick. No need to add the other pieces in a trade.

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03-30-2013, 09:55 AM
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Oilers get hosed.

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LoL at those saying the Oilers get hosed... can u be bigger homers?

Terrible for the Leafs.

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lol oilers fans keep dreaming about your players having any value in this league

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We don't need a first.

We need to keep Grabo for the Playoffs, and really, Gardiner is a huge asset for us.

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03-30-2013, 10:24 AM
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The OP deal is absolutely brutal for the leafs...

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03-30-2013, 10:33 AM
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Gagner is having a decent year in a shortened season, and all of a sudden he's your best centre? Toronto gets fleeced in both deals.
This year Gagner > Hopkins. Hopkins still has some growing to do.

Take Gagner away and we've got the following at center:

Hopkins
Horcoff
Belanger/Smyth/Lander

Shortened season or not, we're still 30+ games into the season and Gagner is producing at a point per game. It's not because of a shortened season, it's because he's put tons of work into becoming a better hockey player every year in the off-season. He's pumped upto 195 pounds, he worked his butt off with a coach from Canada's olympic speed skating team to improve his skating 2 years ago, etc.

We've been patient with Gagner since Mac-T and K-Lowe threw him into the fire as an 18 year old and it's really paid off this year. He's got the strength, speed and smarts to never look out of place playing 2nd line minutes. Why trade him for a stranger in Grabo or even less in that crazy 2nd proposal?

As for Smid, he's leading the league in blocked shots, throws tons of hits and is very difficult to play against in general. Another player Oil fans have spent a long time watch develop. When he first came to Edmonton he didn't do anything well enough for us to think anything other than "damn you Pronger!!!!!" but year by year he's improved his game. Was amazing to see how quickly he picked up on the physical side of the game when he bought into it. A guy who loves playing for the Oilers. It makes no sense to trade guys like this.

Would you trade happy homegrown talent away for a package that makes your team equally or less competitive? Of course not. We've got less use for Gardiner than you might think. If we picked up a top 4 d-man, we'd want a shut-down guy so that we could push Nick Schultz down to the third pairing.

We're very happy with Petry-Smid for a first pairing. They've got wicked chemistry and they complement each other very well. This started in the middle of last season.

Gardiner is not going to steal minutes from Justin Schultz and Schultz/Gardiner wouldn't be a balanced pairing. Not saying that Schultz is the better guy now. He was promised top 4 minutes before he signed with Edmonton. He's worked his butt off on most nights and to take those minutes away from him would be going back on what was promised to him.

Next year we'll probably start the year with Nick Schultz playing with Justin, but once Klefbom gets used to North America Schultz and Klefbom will switch pairings and our d will be set.

We have absolutely no use for this proposal. It does nothing but mess up what progress we've made with the development of our roster over the past decade of hell. (Feels like a decade)

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lol oilers fans keep dreaming about your players having any value in this league
lol leafs fans keep dreaming about your players having any value in this league

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lol leafs fans keep dreaming about your players having any value in this league
Who's in a playoff spot?

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Eberle for Gardiner.

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