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03-30-2013, 03:22 PM
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Or Kesler.


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However, if this decides whether or not Raymond stays, I'd be quite disappointed.
Unless the plan is to find an upgrade on Raymond.

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I agree. If he's about to re-signed soon, I'd be okay with 2.5$/year.

2.5$ is good value for a solid third liner.

However, if this decides whether or not Raymond stays, I'd be quite disappointed.
It definitely wont be over $2.5 mil. Like you, I'd be okay with that.
I'd be happy with $2.25 mil.

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At this point, if the Canucks are going after a rental, I hope they pony up for Derek Roy. I don't see much else likely to be available that represents a worthwhile upgrade to the roster, and Roy fills a bunch of holes: he's a good player to throw on the second PP unit, he's an exceptional third line centre if the team wants to roll three quality lines once Kesler comes back, and he seems like he'd be a nice fit with Kesler if the Canucks want to stack two lines (for example, when pressing for a goal).

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if we had a competent 2nd line this would not be any issue. a 3rd line of Raymond-Schroeder-Hansen will cause mismatches in the Canucks favour IMO if the 2nd line is pulling it's weight.
What if Kesler gets injured again, or if Hank's ironman streak ends?
We'll be back to where we are right now, and it's not good.

We need another center.
Gillis has made it known that he doesn't want to move Jensen, Gaunce, or our 1st. He's probably only willing to move our 3rd, 4th, and mediocre prospects, so we can only get 3rd liners with that.

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03-30-2013, 03:27 PM
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Unless the plan is to find an upgrade on Raymond.
I agree, and I do think this is what Gillis is planning on doing. I'm very hung up on Loui Erikkson still

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What if Kesler gets injured again, or if Hank's ironman streak ends?
We'll be back to where we are right now, and it's not good.

We need another center.
how does a 3rd line center help in that scenerio? IF that happens they may as well start booking tee times.

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At this point, if the Canucks are going after a rental, I hope they pony up for Derek Roy. I don't see much else likely to be available that represents a worthwhile upgrade to the roster, and Roy fills a bunch of holes: he's a good player to throw on the second PP unit, he's an exceptional third line centre if the team wants to roll three quality lines once Kesler comes back, and he seems like he'd be a nice fit with Kesler if the Canucks want to stack two lines (for example, when pressing for a goal).
Sounds good to me

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To satisfy everyone: how about we bring in an offensive center? If Tampa would be willing to withhold some salary I would be interested in Vinny Lecavalier.
Isn't he injured right now? Not sure when he is getting back. And his cap hit is 7.7 until 2020, right? If cap hits could be evened out between Lu and Lecavlier (say in a 1-1 swap), then maybe. I do like him as a player, and he would make a great 1-2-3 punch down the middle. But Dat Cap hit!

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Where you been?
Took a self imposed "time out"...not a fan of how this place operates sometimes.

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how does a 3rd line center help in that scenerio? IF that happens they might as well start booking tee times.
How does a scoring top 6 winger help us that in scenario?

A 3rd line center means that Schreoder could be used in a much more offensive role, and that Ebbett/Lapierre doesn't have to be used in a top 9 role.

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What if Kesler gets injured again, or if Hank's ironman streak ends?
We'll be back to where we are right now, and it's not good.
To be fair, it's tough to imagine any team winning the Cup with one of their top two centres injured.

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03-30-2013, 03:32 PM
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To be fair, it's tough to imagine any team winning the Cup with one of their top two centres injured.
Yup. The only team I have confidence on winning a cup with a top 6 centre injured is Pittsburgh.

And that's because they have two of the best players in the world.

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Took a self imposed "time out"...not a fan of how this place operates sometimes.
I took one too Glad you're back.

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How does a scoring top 6 winger help us that in scenario?

A 3rd line center means that Schreoder could be used in a much more offensive role, and that Ebbett/Lapierre doesn't have to be used in a top 9 role.

so you would be comfortable with Schroeder in a top 6 role but not a 3rd line role?

Atleast with another top 6 player or two we could actually have someone that has a chance of filling in offensively.

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Your opinion of smart is different than some other people obviously.
In my eyes, a top 6 forward is a "want" and not a "need".

Schroeder isn't capable of being the full time 3rd line center yet.
In the Canucks last game against Colorado, his line had some serious problems.

He's not good at faceoffs, he isn't consistent, and there's no knowing how he'll perform in the playoffs as a young, inexperienced player.
At the end of the day, our natural centre depth goes: Henrik-Kesler-Schroeder-Lapierre

Our natural RW depth goes: Burrows-Hansen-Kassian-Weise

If we could only upgrade one of those two positions, the answer seems pretty clear to me.

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I took one too Glad you're back.
Thanks bud! All foiled up and ready for the trade deadline trolls.

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so you would be confortable with Schroeder in a top 6 role but not a 3rd line role?

Atleast with another top 6 player or two we could actually have someone that has a chance of filling in offensively.
Yes, I want Schroeder in an offensive role, not a shutdown role.
Schroeder's line had serious problems being matched against Landeskog's line last game.

And before you say "we can use Kesler as the shutdown center", AV and Gillis want to use him in an offensive role.

I wouldn't mind getting a good 3rd line center, then moving Schroeder to the 2nd line and move Kesler to the wing.
Kesler needs a playmaker, and Schroeder is has shown that he's a good passer.

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At the end of the day, our natural centre depth goes: Henrik-Kesler-Schroeder-Lapierre

Our natural RW depth goes: Burrows-Hansen-Kassian-Weise

If we could only upgrade one of those two positions, the answer seems pretty clear to me.
One of Booth/Raymond/Higgins usually plays on the right wing too.

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Yes, I want Schroeder in an offensive role, not a shutdown role.
Schroeder's line had serious problems being matched against Landeskog's line last game.

And before you say "we can use Kesler as the shutdown center", AV and Gillis want to use him in an offensive role.

I wouldn't mind getting a good 3rd line center, then moving Schroeder to the 2nd line and move Kesler to the wing.
Kesler needs a playmaker, and Schroeder is has shown that he's a good passer.
Raymond Schroeder Kesler?

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I gotta say, the poll results from this thread are surprising. I thought we were a smart fan base, yet more than half of us think we need a 3rd line center more than a top 6 scorer

Agreed, can't believe an intelligent fanbase feels the need to add to the Sedins, Burrows, Kesler, Hansen, Raymond, Booth in the top 6 -- with Higgins, Schroeder, and Kassian available to step up--when Ebbett is taking key defensive zone face offs anf our best left side option at the dot is Henrik.

We're a team that produces offense through possesion and playing a 200 foot game...we have a huge void where Manny used to be and that's by far our biggest need. I'd put a RH PP point man 2nd, and only then a top 6 forward. Get healthy and Booth-Kesler-Kassian is potentially an outstanding 2nd line with a style that complements the Sedins cycle game and Raymond-Schroeder-Hansen's speed game perfectly. And if Booth isn't ready, Higgins steos into that role...and a month from now maybe Jensen or Archibald can fit into an offensive role. But who do we have to take a big own zone face off late in the game when we need a lefty?

As for Higgins re-upping (potentially) I'm not sure how I feel about it. Nothing against CH--i appreciate the way he plays and what he brings to the table. I just thought we might turn some off our surplus winger depth into help down the middle. Booth, Raymond or Higgins seemed the most likely candidate for a team on the bubble who could afford to move a C but would need a forward back for this year (ie Higgins + pick for a LH Lapierre level C)...but Booth obviously not an option now and the way Raymond is playing I'd rather not move him now. Raymonds now the only guy thatd be available...

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To be honest, I'm kind of at a loss as to how this team should be structured in the playoffs. I think completely breaking up the chemistry of the 3rd line is a total waste, and doubt that Schroeder and Kesler would be a great fit in the playoffs right now.

If it were up to me, I'd focus on having a dominant two-way second line used in all situations (and relied on for scoring) instead, and trade for a Sedin winger.

Sedin - Sedin - Doan or something
Burrows - Kesler - Hansen
Raymond - Schroeder - Kassian/Higgins/Booth
Kassian/Higgins/Booth - Lapierre - Weise/Pinnizotto

I think we need to have a really strong defensive line, but I also think getting a 3rd line center and moving/dropping Schroeder is a waste of that chemistry.

Unless we're talking about a really really great 3rd line center.

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Yes, I want Schroeder in an offensive role, not a shutdown role.
Schroeder's line had serious problems being matched against Landeskog's line last game.

And before you say "we can use Kesler as the shutdown center", AV and Gillis want to use him in an offensive role.

I wouldn't mind getting a good 3rd line center, then moving Schroeder to the 2nd line and move Kesler to the wing.
Kesler needs a playmaker, and Schroeder is has shown that he's a good passer.
in a top 6 role he will get tougher matchups than Landeskog.. it will not suddenly make things easier for him. If he works out with Kesler maybe it will but that is a pretty big gamble that should be tested during the reg season not the playoffs. At this point any available top 6 player would be a better option than schroeder.

or maybe we should just go get Sammy Pahlsson and shut em down, like last time.

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yeah, I'm still blocked from our pool thread for some reason beyond my comprehension though.

Just to stay on topic...Steve Ott FTW. This team needs to win more faceoffs.

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