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03-29-2013, 10:41 PM
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It's a combination of a lot of things. Torts has never been Gaborik's biggest fan, so when we added Nash and it was discovered that he was better as a RW than a LW, it basically meant that Torts no longer had to put up with Gaborik's inconsistencies because he had a shiny new toy in Nash.

Gaborik is also clearly not comfortable on the left side, but people like to say switching wings isn't a big deal and if he was really an "elite" player he'd simply adapt and this wouldn't be a problem. It's just plain old BS.

He's never needed elite linemates. He scored 40+ with guys like Prospal, Dubinsky, and Erik Christensen on his line. He's simply fallen out of favor, and as a guy who historically doesn't lend himself well to being the whipping boy, he's started mailing it in each night. I think he wants to leave as much as Torts wants him gone.

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Are u shocked? Torts doesn't put people in their best spot to succeed unless he's got a hard on for them

Which is why im so fed up with Tortorella.


Gaborik gets ridden hard, but Richards?

**** off Torts.

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100% spot on.
so going off the post you quoted, wouldn't that also mean that other "Elite" RW we have should also be able to play LW seeing as he's done it for years upon years?

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so going off the post you quoted, wouldn't that also mean that other "Elite" RW we have should also be able to play LW seeing as he's done it for years upon years?

Not sure I follow.

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Not sure I follow.
The guy said Gaborik wasn't comfortable on his off wing but people think its not difficult if you're "elite". so I was saying Nash should be able to do the same thing, especially because he's done it before.

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The guy said Gaborik wasn't comfortable on his off wing but people think its not difficult if you're "elite". so I was saying Nash should be able to do the same thing, especially because he's done it before.

Technically RW is Gaborik's offwing though, but yeah I see what youre saying.

Nash and Gaborik both should be at their natural wings.

Tortorella has to **** with everything just to see his square peg in the hole. Nash just plays the system better than Gaborik does.

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100% spot on.
Except none of that post explains nor justifies why he's skating so poorly and playing with a less than desirable effort/intensity level... No amount of 'Torts put him on the wrong side of the ice' gives him a free pass for his skating or lackluster effort in so many games this season. People can argue until they're blue in the face that he's not being played in his natural position but that will never be a justifiable excuse for the elements of his game that he can control and that is his speed/skating and his intensity/effort level on the ice. No one who has watched every game this season can honestly claim that Gaborik has been giving anything close to 100% on the ice in the majority of his games this season. The blame for this lies on Gaborik's shoulders... Torts can't control Gabby's legs for him nor his effort level on the ice....

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Nice to see reading comprehension is thriving around here.

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Except none of that post explains nor justifies why he's skating so poorly and playing with a less than desirable effort/intensity level... No amount of 'Torts put him on the wrong side of the ice' gives him a free pass for his skating or lackluster effort in so many games this season. People can argue until they're blue in the face that he's not being played in his natural position but that will never be a justifiable excuse for the elements of his game that he can control and that is his speed/skating and his intensity/effort level on the ice. No one who has watched every game this season can honestly claim that Gaborik has been giving anything close to 100% on the ice in the majority of his games this season. The blame for this lies on Gaborik's shoulders... Torts can't control Gabby's legs for him nor his effort level on the ice....

Im with the players, boss. I dont blame them for packing it in under this *******. Im not satisfied with their play, or lack thereof, but its going to be piss poor play that gets Tortellini canned. Id rather have that instead and just piss off the remaining 15. You know theyre going to do it anyway.

No trade is going to fix this team at this point. This team is lucky to win a round, let alone four. Im already looking to next year.

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Nice to see reading comprehension is thriving around here.
When has it ever?

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Except none of that post explains nor justifies why he's skating so poorly and playing with a less than desirable effort/intensity level... No amount of 'Torts put him on the wrong side of the ice' gives him a free pass for his skating or lackluster effort in so many games this season. People can argue until they're blue in the face that he's not being played in his natural position but that will never be a justifiable excuse for the elements of his game that he can control and that is his speed/skating and his intensity/effort level on the ice. No one who has watched every game this season can honestly claim that Gaborik has been giving anything close to 100% on the ice in the majority of his games this season. The blame for this lies on Gaborik's shoulders... Torts can't control Gabby's legs for him nor his effort level on the ice....
I don't think there will ever be an excuse outside of injury for a 7 million dollar player, but when there is no apparent reason for him to go from 40 goals to this abysmal showing, you have to wonder if the lack of motivation comes from tuning out the coach.

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Not just Gaborik but Richards.

Two of our top three forwards just magically disappear?

The third happens to be in his first year here, aka proving his worth/motivated.

Its only a matter of time til Nash slumps as well.

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I don't think there will ever be an excuse outside of injury for a 7 million dollar player, but when there is no apparent reason for him to go from 40 goals to this abysmal showing, you have to wonder if the lack of motivation comes from tuning out the coach.
You would think the $90,000 that Gaborik earns per game would be enough incentive to motivate him to play hard and to carry his weight on the ice. This is the same coach he scored 40 goals under in 2 different seasons. Gaborik had plenty of familiarity with the coaching staff coming into this season. Again, I see this as no excuse for his lackluster effort out on the ice. A player earning that kind of money should be trying his best to perform and contribute out on the ice regardless of who is behind the bench - he owes at least that much to the organization that is signing his paychecks, not to mention to his teammates who are counting on him.


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Technically RW is Gaborik's offwing though, but yeah I see what youre saying.

Nash and Gaborik both should be at their natural wings.

Tortorella has to **** with everything just to see his square peg in the hole. Nash just plays the system better than Gaborik does.
Nash is just a much better hockey player than Gaborik.

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IMO Gabby's issues are at least a fair bit mental.

It's like adding Nash was an insult to his status as the teams most skilled player.

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IMO Gabby's issues are at least a fair bit mental.

It's like adding Nash was an insult to his status as the teams most skilled player.
Thought crossed my mind as well, but I don't think Gabby is that kind of guy. You'd think he'd be happy to have someone to help carry the offense.

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03-30-2013, 01:25 PM
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Bylsma is playing Iginla at left wing. He obviously doesn't want Iginla to succeed.

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Except none of that post explains nor justifies why he's skating so poorly and playing with a less than desirable effort/intensity level... No amount of 'Torts put him on the wrong side of the ice' gives him a free pass for his skating or lackluster effort in so many games this season. People can argue until they're blue in the face that he's not being played in his natural position but that will never be a justifiable excuse for the elements of his game that he can control and that is his speed/skating and his intensity/effort level on the ice. No one who has watched every game this season can honestly claim that Gaborik has been giving anything close to 100% on the ice in the majority of his games this season. The blame for this lies on Gaborik's shoulders... Torts can't control Gabby's legs for him nor his effort level on the ice....
I think the lack of conditioning during the lockout because of Gaboriks shoulders might be an issue here.... Way out of shape

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It's a combination of a lot of things. Torts has never been Gaborik's biggest fan, so when we added Nash and it was discovered that he was better as a RW than a LW, it basically meant that Torts no longer had to put up with Gaborik's inconsistencies because he had a shiny new toy in Nash.

Gaborik is also clearly not comfortable on the left side, but people like to say switching wings isn't a big deal and if he was really an "elite" player he'd simply adapt and this wouldn't be a problem. It's just plain old BS.

He's never needed elite linemates. He scored 40+ with guys like Prospal, Dubinsky, and Erik Christensen on his line. He's simply fallen out of favor, and as a guy who historically doesn't lend himself well to being the whipping boy, he's started mailing it in each night. I think he wants to leave as much as Torts wants him gone.
QFT. And to add to that, the divorce between him and the Wild was bitter, with Gaborik opting not to sign a 9/YR $81 million extension. A good analogy for Gabby is that he is sort of like the kid gets picked first in the school yard and doesn't pass, or try, but if he gets slighted by being passed on, then he's going to torch you out there.

In and out goal scorers are only good when they're scoring, and after four years of Torts and Gabby together we have enough between both parties to see that its going to come to an end. Gaborik isn't going to risk not to being able to cash in on a walk year, and he knows that a new start, and hype and success that may come along with it is going to result in a pretty hefty retirement contract. The dilemma is that you know he is going to be lights out next year, its how do you make the most of it. I am in the boat for trading him, and shoring up the holes in the line up.

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03-30-2013, 02:09 PM
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You would think the $90,000 that Gaborik earns per game would be enough incentive to motivate him to play hard and to carry his weight on the ice. This is the same coach he scored 40 goals under in 2 different seasons. Gaborik had plenty of familiarity with the coaching staff coming into this season. Again, I see this as no excuse for his lackluster effort out on the ice. A player earning that kind of money should be trying his best to perform and contribute out on the ice regardless of who is behind the bench - he owes at least that much to the organization that is signing his paychecks, not to mention to his teammates who are counting on him.
I agree. I'm not sure if Gabby does, however.

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Nash is just a much better hockey player than Gaborik.

For being wingers? Gaborik has a higher career GPG/PPG. Ill take that.

You can have Nash's intangibles, or whatever.

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For being wingers? Gaborik has a higher career GPG/PPG. Ill take that.

You can have Nash's intangibles, or whatever.
Wait for it...







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Nash is just a much better hockey player than Gaborik.
All I want to know is why does it matter that Nash is a more complete offensive player than Gaborik - better stick handler, better danger, stronger etc... If those atributes do not reflect on the stat sheet? If these qualities led to him beig better shouldn't his gpg and ppg be higher? Puck possession and control and such don't mean much if you don't use it to convert on opportunities. Nash is certainly a more dynamic and exciting player to Gaborik but a better player throughout their careers? No way.

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You mean to tell me that Gaborik didn't play 9 seasons in Columbus?

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You mean to tell me he played with high quality players in Minnesota? A quick look shows me their top scoring center for several years was Pierre-Marc Bouchard. Other than the two years they had Demitra (and not sure if he even played with him) Minnesotas top scoring centers during the Gaborik years were: Wes Walz, Jim Dowd, Cliff Ronning (37 yrs old), Sergei Zholtok, Bouchard, Demitra, Koivu (year he played 17 games)

That looks impressive to you?

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