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03-30-2013, 04:55 PM
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Inb4 Leafs fan says Luongo.

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03-30-2013, 04:56 PM
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Staios to Calgary for Johnson and a 3rd rounder.
Bad trade, but wasn't a negative value trade...

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03-30-2013, 06:02 PM
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Kolzig from Tampa to Toronto. He was injured with a pricey contract. Toronto took him on for a 4th round pick.
Toronto got him + the 4th-rounder (later forfeited) + Jamie Heward and a nobody for Richard Petiot.

So basically nothing in exchange of nothing (Kolzig and Heward never played for the Leafs subsequently, and Petiot played 11 games for Tampa Bay)...

EDIT: Hero beat me to it.

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03-30-2013, 06:04 PM
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Wasn't Mogilny traded to the Sharks with a first round pick for essentially nothing?
You're thinking about Malakhov.

Mogilny was sent to the minors.

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Samsonov for Jassen Cullimore and Tony Salmelainen. I think either one, or both of those players' contracts were bought out, pretty much confirming Samsonov's negative value.

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Malakhov is by far the best example.
Came here to post this -- He was traded with a 1st rounder for pretty much scraps just to clear up some cap space.

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Jagr and a large sum of cash for Anson Carter.
Everybody remembers Jags traded to the Caps for "The Jagr Three" and cash (believe it was $2.5m.) The Pens also threw in Frankie Kucera, who was making a lot of money by early 2000s Pens' standards. IIRC, Kucera played so poorly after being picked up that he didn't play a game during their 2001 playoff run.

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Inb4 Leafs fan says Luongo.
almost!

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A current player with negative value would have to be Luongo.
That's not negative value, that's reduced value. Luongo is still worth something, just nowhere near as much as he would be with a reasonable contract.

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03-30-2013, 07:18 PM
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You're thinking about Malakhov.

Mogilny was sent to the minors.
Oh yeah. I got them mixed up. Thanks

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03-30-2013, 07:19 PM
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We're two pages in...and no one said Gomez to MTL...colour me shocked.

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03-30-2013, 07:30 PM
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Toronto got him + the 4th-rounder (later forfeited) + Jamie Heward and a nobody for Richard Petiot.

So basically nothing in exchange of nothing (Kolzig and Heward never played for the Leafs subsequently, and Petiot played 11 games for Tampa Bay)...

EDIT: Hero beat me to it.
Sorry. not sure if you're just adding to what I said or arguing against it.

In the end though, the Lightning gave up a pick for the Leafs to take on the remainder of Kolzig's and Heward's contracts as they were injured and at the end of the year UFA. Like you said the other parts were "nothing." Essentially the Leafs bought that 4th from Tampa for around 500k in salary, Toronto had the cap space and the money to spend and those players were useless to Tampa now.

They ended up losing the pick because they broke the rules in an unrelated event, but if they weren't forced to lose that 4th round pick they likely lose a future one instead.

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03-30-2013, 07:32 PM
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Kotalik in the Regehr deal. Pardy in the Roy/Ott swap.

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We're two pages in...and no one said Gomez to MTL...colour me shocked.
That's because it wasn't

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03-30-2013, 08:35 PM
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Dont know if this counts

Devils traded Vladimir Malakhov and a 2007 1st round draft pick to the Sharks for Jim Fahey and the rights to Alexander Korolyuk
It's one of the biggest counts ever...

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It was before the cap, but Jagr was once traded for Anson Carter. As part of the deal, Washington agreed to continue paying $4 million of Jagr's salary a year. Jagr's salary was so inflated that the Capitals couldn't build around him and couldn't move him because no one else wanted to pay for him.

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We're two pages in...and no one said Gomez to MTL...colour me shocked.
MTL gave up assets to get him. I believe the rumours at the time were that Montreal needed Gomez as leverage to lure in Gionta. But I can't quote a source for that.

Actually that would be an example of the opposite of this thread. A player with negative value acquired for actual value.

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That's not negative value, that's reduced value. Luongo is still worth something, just nowhere near as much as he would be with a reasonable contract.
He did specify Leafs fan, not fan in general.

And Luongo's value hasn't been set because he hasn't been traded yet, therefore his value is open to interpretation and subject to opinion.

Someone could say he is worth 1st, top prospect and a roster player, but others could say the Canucks better hope packaging him with the Sedin twins gets the conversation started.

Evidently his value is somewhere in the middle, but until someone actually says he is worth X there's nothing but speculation to go on.

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03-30-2013, 10:04 PM
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Someone could say he is worth 1st, top prospect and a roster player
If his value was anywhere near that, he'd be traded already.

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03-30-2013, 10:09 PM
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Dont know if this counts

Devils traded Vladimir Malakhov and a 2007 1st round draft pick to the Sharks for Jim Fahey and the rights to Alexander Korolyuk
This was the first trade that came to mind. Devils had to get below the cap, and needed to move Malakhov.

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03-31-2013, 02:52 AM
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Craig Weller
2nd round pick
Alexander Fallstrom
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Chuck Kobasew

Minnesota wanted to move Weller and couldn't get anyone to take him. They dressed up the trade as a shame up but that's not true.

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Ehrhoff to vancouver
His value was reduced but they still got Pat White who when not offered a contract was worth a 2nd round pick.

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03-31-2013, 02:56 AM
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If his value was anywhere near that, he'd be traded already.
You kind of missed the point on that one...unless you feel the other goal post (both Sedins + Luongo = nothing) is actually realistic.

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1-Jul-08 Patrick Hersley + Ned Lukacevic Los Angeles Kings Denis Gauthier + 2010 2nd Rounder

Flyers traded the 2nd so the Kings would take Gauthier. The two back were not nhl prospects.

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