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08-13-2006, 02:54 PM
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Markov is not the end of the world but a player, playing great D, with great vision and impressive passing abilities with the best first pass of the team is.....

Which means, Markov can be traded no question, we're not taking about the #1 d-man of the league here.....

But you absolutely need to have another player with his abilities coming back in a trade at some point.

You can't win nowadays when all of your d-men knows more who's "La baie Vitrée" than the actual players.....

In the end, why would you trade Markov when you actually need more players like him??? 3 reasons:

1- You know he won't sign with us, 'cause he told you...
2- Carbo and Gainey don't like him for whatever reason....
3- You are absolutely sure that you will win a trade that has him involved in, and this I have a total confidence in Gainey and Co. (Like a big center and a stellar offensive d-men like him, we never know how other GM'S see a player that might overpay for him, why wouldn't you at least consider listening???)

If not one of them apply, don't even think of maybe trading him and sign the guy long term! Out of those 3 next year's UFA, if the guy really wants to play, he's my #1 obviously, Rivet #2, and Souray #3.


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08-13-2006, 03:09 PM
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Rumors surrounding Markov going the other way for a big center are a little too persistant, could this be for real?
Persistant? Do you mean non-existent? There are ZERO rumors involving Andrei Markov? What are you even talking about?

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08-13-2006, 03:09 PM
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I would flip if Gainey moved Markov or if Carbo even asked. He's not the problem, at all. If anything he should be feeling more comfortable with Kovalev, Samsonov, Perezhogin and Kostitsyn in the mix, guys that he can have a conversation with if he so pleases. Kovy and Sammy are so fluent in english, surely that will help him a bit as far as language barriers go although... RDS did an interview with him last year for an intermission segment, he managed quite well for someone that apparently can't adjust to NA after being here a few years. He's shy, but so what. How does that compare to what he's proven to be able do where it actually matters, on the ice? I choose to believe our management has brains again.

In other words, Markov stays. He's rather young. And gets re-signed longterm.

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08-13-2006, 03:29 PM
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Gainey won't trade Markov, this rumour is bs. The only way Markov would be traded is if another defenseman who was better than him came in return. Otherwise Markov stays. Why would Gainey trade away his #1 Dman if there is no replacement coming back. The Habs will have the resources to sign him because I think Souray and some others are definately on their way out at the end of this season. Stupid rumour.

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08-13-2006, 03:37 PM
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Since Gainey has been GM, how many rumours have been true??

There's your answer right there

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08-13-2006, 03:56 PM
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Trading Markov would set this team back 5-10 years. Won't happen.

Right now, Markov is worth at least $4.25 and probably closer to $5m. If Gainey had no problem giving Bouillon and Ribeiro extra cash, he should have no problem locking up Markov for 3-4 years.

If he doesn't sign Markov, we could see the first big Montreal riot since the Guns 'n Roses Olympic Stadium fiasco.

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Markov is not the end of the world but a player, playing great D, with great vision and impressive passing abilities with the best first pass of the team is.....

Which means, Markov can be traded no question, we're not taking about the #1 d-man of the league here.....

But you absolutely need to have another player with his abilities coming back in a trade at some point.

You can't win nowadays when all of your d-men knows more who's "La baie Vitrée" than the actual players.....

In the end, why would you trade Markov when you actually need more players like him??? 3 reasons:

1- You know he won't sign with us, 'cause he told you...
2- Carbo and Gainey don't like him for whatever reason....
3- You are absolutely sure that you will win a trade that has him involved in, and this I have a total confidence in Gainey and Co. (Like a big center and a stellar offensive d-men like him, we never know how other GM'S see a player that might overpay for him, why wouldn't you at least consider listening???)

If not one of them apply, don't even think of maybe trading him and sign the guy long term! Out of those 3 next year's UFA, if the guy really wants to play, he's my #1 obviously, Rivet #2, and Souray #3.
Again a good post. I agree mostly but I dont think that this scenario would happen at this point. Maybe at the trading deadline but right now it would in my opinion be premature. He's just coming in to his own. I dont like the fact of trading your #1 D in a package for lets say better #1 D. I think we need more a quality 1-2 pairing then having just one better D.

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08-13-2006, 04:06 PM
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Since Gainey has been GM, how many rumours have been true??

There's your answer right there
Elias, Arnott, Shanahan where apparently true.

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Again a good post. I agree mostly but I dont think that this scenario would happen at this point. Maybe at the trading deadline but right now it would in my opinion be premature. He's just coming in to his own. I dont like the fact of trading your #1 D in a package for lets say better #1 D. I think we need more a quality 1-2 pairing then having just one better D.
Well by his reasoning, anyone could be traded, even Wayne Gretzky. Why trade him though? You can always get a free agent, no need to trade your best defenseman.

Trade Souray or Rivet, not Markov.

I don't understand why people criticize Markov or why Gainey criticized him last year when he has to carry Komisarek AND help the offense AND be a #1 shutdown guy. I thought he was playing well, and then played very well, handling his similar role with only one shoulder. That was gutsy.

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Well by his reasoning, anyone could be traded, even Wayne Gretzky. Why trade him though? You can always get a free agent, no need to trade your best defenseman.

Trade Souray or Rivet, not Markov.

I don't understand why people criticize Markov or why Gainey criticized him last year when he has to carry Komisarek AND help the offense AND be a #1 shutdown guy. I thought he was playing well, and then played very well, handling his similar role with only one shoulder. That was gutsy.
heh...Wayne Gretzky was traded.
It's not about criticizing Markov. We are just talking figuring out how or under what circumstances it would make sense to trade him. It doesnt mean we think we should trade him.

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NM just read the other thread. missed it be4
I thought that was Bruce Vallanche in your avatar for a second.

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08-13-2006, 06:49 PM
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heh...Wayne Gretzky was traded.
It's not about criticizing Markov. We are just talking figuring out how or under what circumstances it would make sense to trade him. It doesnt mean we think we should trade him.
I know. And something has to give because this team isn't good enough for a Cup (unless we get really lucky) and our veterans are running out of time....assuming we are going to take a run with Koivu and Kovalev...

But Markov is in a contract year, his value is going to drop.

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08-13-2006, 07:30 PM
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Markov has always been defenseman with talent who has never been able to reach his potential. I realised this last season. I was always amongst the "i`m pretty sure this year he will explode!". But last year I realised that more than a few games he was like a ghost. With the right deal, if he has good value...why not.

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Markov has always been defenseman with talent who has never been able to reach his potential. I realised this last season. I was always amongst the "i`m pretty sure this year he will explode!". But last year I realised that more than a few games he was like a ghost. With the right deal, if he has good value...why not.
You don't think Markov is living up to his potential? For a 6th round pick, I think him being a legitimate no.1 pairing dman is pretty great. 46 points in 67 games and terrific defence and you're asking more from him?

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Anyone can be on the block, but I doubt we'll ever know about until they are gone. (although Gainey did say something that Aebischer could be traded in 2 weeks but it never happened)

If we trade Markov, it would be a huge blow to our defense and I don't see how he can be replaced. Imo he, Koivu and Huet have the biggest impact on the teams success, Kovalev as well.

We such poor depth on defense, how can we trade Markov without bringing in a top notched defensemen to replace him.
Gainey never said that. He said he thought the goaltending situation in the NHL would clarify itself in the next two weeks, and people just assumed he meant Aebischer.

Whether Markov might be on the block or not seems obvious to me, of course he isn't.

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I hope he's not, and doubt it. But I often heard journalists say things like "he's not Carbo's favorite" ...

Trading him would be a severe shock for the organisation, IMO.

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I hope he's not, and doubt it. But I often heard journalists say things like "he's not Carbo's favorite" ...

Trading him would be a severe shock for the organisation, IMO.
If journalists said it, you know it's not true...

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There is no reason to trade Markov unless there is something we don't know that happened with the coaching staff.


But 1 thing is for sure if we trade Markov it is not for a centerman or too sign Dumont.We are getting a solid D back or Gainey is not making a deal

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ok , we all know that the unfamous rumour is a joke , but what kind of player could we get for a combo Markov-Ryder ?

we have two needs ; a big center #1-2 , or a #1 d-man .So i suppose that if Gainey would combine the two , it would be probably for just one player or may be a good one + a prospect ...

Markov-Ryder for ?

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Different Spin

Let me spin this differently for you.

Let's say Marleau is indeed available and the Habs have a chance to nab this big center which has eluded them for so long.

Let's say the Habs are willing to part with Souray, Ryder and Perezhoghin or another prospect.

Let's say Sharks agree, but want Higgins (untouchable in my view) instead of Ryder.

You refuse and then they say OK if Markov replaces Souray.

Whta do you do?

a) walk away;
b) accept the Higgins package;
c) accept the Markov package in view of his upcoming UFA status.

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please define 'persistant'

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Let me spin this differently for you.

Let's say Marleau is indeed available and the Habs have a chance to nab this big center which has eluded them for so long.

Let's say the Habs are willing to part with Souray, Ryder and Perezhoghin or another prospect.

Let's say Sharks agree, but want Higgins (untouchable in my view) instead of Ryder.

You refuse and then they say OK if Markov replaces Souray.

Whta do you do?

a) walk away;
b) accept the Higgins package;
c) accept the Markov package in view of his upcoming UFA status.
I would run away.

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I DOUBT MARLEAU IS GOING TO BE TRADED...SEEMS I'M NOT THE ONLY ONE

http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=275838


BUT AGAIN...WE NEVER KONW

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You sell when the value is at is highest, you keep it at his lowest. Therefore the questions are: will this player stay with my team in the next few seasons; the other one is: will he improve.

I like Markov, but I don't think anyone knows here if he wants to stay or not after next season. Wouldn't it be worth getting something for this high-value player before he leaves? I guess Gainey will try to sign him ASAP and trade him if this leads to nothing. Habs would however have a problem at the blueline without Markov.

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