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03-30-2013, 09:56 PM
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Zykov is clearly a top 20 talent. Why do you think he's over rated?



Morin will go early to late third IMO. No need to rush it, many better players will fall to the second.
You think so? I would go all in on him . Everyone knows hes physical and has a mean streak but i saw some offensive upside in the prospects game and now has 7 pts in 5 p/o games

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03-30-2013, 09:58 PM
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Zykov is clearly a top 20 talent. Why do you think he's over rated?



Morin will go early to late third IMO. No need to rush it, many better players will fall to the second.
Morin is having real strong playoffs thus far (1G-6A in 5GP), he's arguably been Rimouski's best Dman against Gatineau. That might play in his favor when comes draft day.

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03-30-2013, 10:00 PM
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You think so? I would go all in on him . Everyone knows hes physical and has a mean streak but i saw some offensive upside in the prospects game and now has 7 pts in 5 p/o games
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Morin is having real strong playoffs thus far (1G-6A in 5GP), he's arguably been Rimouski's best Dman against Gatineau. That might play in his favor when comes draft day.
Yes, I saw him play and he's quite good. But I still think other players will drop.
Morin with our 3 firsts pick is a no for me( Not a knock on the player, its the pool thats too deep.) But after that I think he might be BPA.

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03-30-2013, 10:03 PM
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I get the feeling Lazar is one that doesn't do any thing great ..just good to average in all skillsets...doesn't have great size either...would rather take a chance on someone with a higher ceiling in the 1st round
Remember reading similar comments on Mike Richards in 2003 (not saying Lazar is the next Mike Richards because the next Mike Richards was supposed to be L.Leblanc and )

Reading last 4-5 pages of this thread and seeing a lot of Q names come out but didn't see Laurent Dauphin name there. With the CGY pick i'm not even wasting my time and picking him up. Kid is a hell of a player.


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03-30-2013, 10:05 PM
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Remember reading similar comments on Mike Richards in 2003 (not saying Lazar is the next Mike Richards because the next Mike Richards was supposed to be L.Leblanc and )
Well I could see comparables. Anyway, Lazar is one of the best draft eligible players.

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03-30-2013, 10:35 PM
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Collberg is a smallish euro forward, though.

Lazar is a jack of all trades who plays with a chip on his shoulder. Look at Samuelsson or Wilson players with thoughness are the only thing people want.
They're the same size actually.

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Remember reading similar comments on Mike Richards in 2003 (not saying Lazar is the next Mike Richards because the next Mike Richards was supposed to be L.Leblanc and )

Reading last 4-5 pages of this thread and seeing a lot of Q names come out but didn't see Laurent Dauphin name there. With the CGY pick i'm not even wasting my time and picking him up. Kid is a hell of a player.
Dauphin needs to be in the discussion in the 2nd, indeed. I'd take him before Poirier and Roy.

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03-30-2013, 10:51 PM
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Who is the better player, Dauphin or Poirier?

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03-30-2013, 11:06 PM
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My thoughts

Pick 25-27: Valentin Zykov(F) , Jason Dickinson(F)
Pick 32-34: William Carrier(F), Andre Burakowsky(RW)
Pick 40-43: Samuel Morin(D) , Jonathan Diaby(D) or Linus Arnesson(D)
Pick 55-57: Anthony Duclair(LW) , Laurent Dauphin(C) or Marco Dano(F)
Pick 76-78: Jordan Subban(D) or Jan Kostalek(D)
Pick 85-87: Martin Reway(F) or M-O Roy (F) or S. Tolchinsky(F)
Pick 145-147: G. Paquin-Boudreau(F) or J. Ikonen(LW)
Pick 175-177:Nikolas Brouillard (D)
Pick 205-207: Mads Eller(F)

I think Zykov is the perfect fit for our future 1st line RW centered by Galchenyuk. He is a good mix of hard work, physicality and goal scoring.

The CGY 2nd round pick has to be use on Carrier that has been forgotten due to injury, but he was a top-20 potential at the beginning of the year. He has already prove he can produce with a offensivly limited team.

We must not wait to draft Morin because of the potential he has. Let's draft him and devellop him internally because the influence of the defensive half of any defensemen duo must never be underestimated.

For the rest of the picks, i think we should draft skill over size than trade for size when those players have prove they possess the basic tools to play in the nhl (skate, shoot, puck handling)

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03-30-2013, 11:09 PM
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They're the same size actually.
They're similar. Collberg is 5'11 and 170. Lazar is 6' 198.
You still get what I mean. Lazar's strenght is one of his strenght.(See what I did there?)

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Who is the better player, Dauphin or Poirier?
Hard dilemma here.
I'd pick Dauphin. But Poirier is so damn explosive and clutch I can't tell for sure.

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03-31-2013, 06:50 AM
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My thoughts

Pick 25-27: Valentin Zykov(F) , Jason Dickinson(F)
Pick 32-34: William Carrier(F), Andre Burakowsky(RW)
Pick 40-43: Samuel Morin(D) , Jonathan Diaby(D) or Linus Arnesson(D)
Pick 55-57: Anthony Duclair(LW) , Laurent Dauphin(C) or Marco Dano(F)
Pick 76-78: Jordan Subban(D) or Jan Kostalek(D)
Pick 85-87: Martin Reway(F) or M-O Roy (F) or S. Tolchinsky(F)
Pick 145-147: G. Paquin-Boudreau(F) or J. Ikonen(LW)
Pick 175-177:Nikolas Brouillard (D)
Pick 205-207: Mads Eller(F)

I think Zykov is the perfect fit for our future 1st line RW centered by Galchenyuk. He is a good mix of hard work, physicality and goal scoring.

The CGY 2nd round pick has to be use on Carrier that has been forgotten due to injury, but he was a top-20 potential at the beginning of the year. He has already prove he can produce with a offensivly limited team.

We must not wait to draft Morin because of the potential he has. Let's draft him and devellop him internally because the influence of the defensive half of any defensemen duo must never be underestimated.

For the rest of the picks, i think we should draft skill over size than trade for size when those players have prove they possess the basic tools to play in the nhl (skate, shoot, puck handling)
Well put and really good advice on the first three picks,I would add Diaby with one of the 2nd's,but then for sure my sights would be set on players with size and upside.Hayden,McCarron,Hill,Moutrey and quite a number of these guys will be NHL Power Forwards in the future,at least 4-5 yrs.Power Forwards when they succeed in the NHL can't be had very rarely do teams trade a productive power forward,if a team trades one like Chris Stewart the price is high,which makes the idea of having three of the top 1% of hockey people that can foresee a player's likely future,then swing for the fence and keep on swinging.


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Zykov is clearly a top 20 talent. Why do you think he's over rated?



Morin will go early to late third IMO. No need to rush it, many better players will fall to the second.
How about : Because he isn't?

Well, he's certainly not CLEARLY Top-20, and I've seen Zykov quite a few times.

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03-31-2013, 08:11 AM
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Hard dilemma here.
I'd pick Dauphin. But Poirier is so damn explosive and clutch I can't tell for sure.
Poirier is the highest reward pick.

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03-31-2013, 08:41 AM
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My thoughts

Pick 25-27: Valentin Zykov(F) , Jason Dickinson(F)
Pick 32-34: William Carrier(F), Andre Burakowsky(RW)
Pick 40-43: Samuel Morin(D) , Jonathan Diaby(D) or Linus Arnesson(D)
Pick 55-57: Anthony Duclair(LW) , Laurent Dauphin(C) or Marco Dano(F)
Pick 76-78: Jordan Subban(D) or Jan Kostalek(D)
Pick 85-87: Martin Reway(F) or M-O Roy (F) or S. Tolchinsky(F)
Pick 145-147: G. Paquin-Boudreau(F) or J. Ikonen(LW)
Pick 175-177:Nikolas Brouillard (D)
Pick 205-207: Mads Eller(F)

I think Zykov is the perfect fit for our future 1st line RW centered by Galchenyuk. He is a good mix of hard work, physicality and goal scoring.

The CGY 2nd round pick has to be use on Carrier that has been forgotten due to injury, but he was a top-20 potential at the beginning of the year. He has already prove he can produce with a offensivly limited team.

We must not wait to draft Morin because of the potential he has. Let's draft him and devellop him internally because the influence of the defensive half of any defensemen duo must never be underestimated.

For the rest of the picks, i think we should draft skill over size than trade for size when those players have prove they possess the basic tools to play in the nhl (skate, shoot, puck handling)
I dont think Zykov falls to 25-27 range but if he does, definetely take him.

I would personnaly prefer De La Rose over Carrier but Burakovsky is a great pick. Once again if he falls.

I am not sold on Duclair. I personally wouldnt touch him. I would add Poirier in that round.

Solid picks.

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Poirier is the highest reward pick.
Carrier,Dauphin and Poirier would be three good picks in the 2nd round,but then you lose out on Diaby and Morin.Zykov,Lazar,Domi,Wennberg,Gauthier,Zadorov any of them are available the Habs will take the BPA in the 1st round.

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How about : Because he isn't?

Well, he's certainly not CLEARLY Top-20, and I've seen Zykov quite a few times.
I think he is clearly a 1st round pick, top 20 is possible but not a lock. Could go anywhere from 16-30.

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I think he is clearly a 1st round pick, top 20 is possible but not a lock. Could go anywhere from 16-30.
Basically what I said. I mean, clearly Top-20, to me, is like 12th. Not 19th. I'd say he has a shot a falling off the first round, but it shouldn't happen.

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With the type of team that Bergevin is building, I have a feeling he will get the scouting staff to do their homework on Rychel. Just seems like a player that will fit in the culture Marc is trying to build. Some point to the fact his production rose when Khokhlachev came back, but I don't see a problem with that. Galchenyuk is the guy, he just needs a good winger to help. Rychel can be that guy.

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With the type of team that Bergevin is building, I have a feeling he will get the scouting staff to do their homework on Rychel. Just seems like a player that will fit in the culture Marc is trying to build. Some point to the fact his production rose when Khokhlachev came back, but I don't see a problem with that. Galchenyuk is the guy, he just needs a good winger to help. Rychel can be that guy.
Vail is Rychel's best friend. They should know EVERYTHING about him.

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Vail is Rychel's best friend. They should know EVERYTHING about him.

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Vail is Rychel's best friend. They should know EVERYTHING about him.
Good to know,any Hab prospect Lazar's best friend it surely would be nice having both Rychel and Lazar along with Dauphin and Carrier.

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Vail is Rychel's best friend. They should know EVERYTHING about him.
If Vail is his best friend I doubt he gives them any "dirt" on him.

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If this guy doesnt go before 20, I hope we make a move. Still doubt he will but heh.

This guy will be drafted by the Leafs, and book it. Nothing worst.
I wouldn't be surprised if the Oilers take Lazar. He plays in their backyard and is the type of player they need up front. It looks like Oilers will pick in the 12-16 range, so barring them winning the draft lottery, I can see Lazar going around that range.

Columbus right now is also picking twice in that range and I can see them taking him with one of their picks. In fact any team in the 12-19 range will be happy to take him.

I don't think Lazar makes it to the Leafs. I'd be really surprised if he does.

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What if..

1: Lazar/Rychel
2: Burakowsky
2: Poirier
2: Carrier

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If Vail is his best friend I doubt he gives them any "dirt" on him.
Having Vail talking to his friend about the Habs may influence him,then when teams interview him he can change other teams views about him.I doubt that happens but you never know.

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