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12-26-2003, 08:19 AM
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They don't discuss calls because if they did, the conversation would go as such...

Referee calling penalty: "What did you think of the play?"
Referee not calling penalty: "I didn't see much of anything, but if you did, then make the call."

Not much point to discuss minor infractions.


Also, in football, the book is written so they can discuss and decline a penalty if they see fit. In hockey, once that arm goes in the air, the referee has to call a penalty.

Plus in football u have the time after every play to do the consulting, where as hockey, play doesnt stop unless u call the penalty, if u miss it, play goes on, there's no chance to discuss it until between periods.

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12-26-2003, 08:35 AM
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I haven't commented on this particular situation because I did not see it. However, your attempts at being psychic and telling us what was going through the referee's mind is outrageous....especially if you have no experience as an official.
Give me another reason why he would have only called a penalty after he saw a player put his hand to his mouth.
I have been a football (the round, not egg ball game) referee at college level, every game is called the same, no matter who is playing, what the score is or how long left is.
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On the topic of officiating, yes it does. It is just like an accountant knows more about accounting than someone who doesn't do the job.
Rubbish, You dont have to be a singer to know a good band from bad,
you dont have to be a boxer to know when a fight is rigged, you dont have to be a porn star to know a good lay, you dont have to be a director to know a good film, the list is endless.
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I ignored that because I have explained Game Management way too many times over the last week or so to make it worth explaining again.
Game management = Making it up as they go along
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And the fans will never be happy with the officiating. There has never been a time when they were, and there never will be.
There will always be bad call, fans and players alike just want consistancy, this is sadly lacking and will never change as long as people have attitudes like yours.

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12-26-2003, 12:12 PM
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I have been a football (the round, not egg ball game) referee at college level, every game is called the same, no matter who is playing, what the score is or how long left is.
That's football, not hockey. Two different sports, two different fundamentals of officiating.

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Rubbish, You dont have to be a singer to know a good band from bad,
you dont have to be a boxer to know when a fight is rigged, you dont have to be a porn star to know a good lay, you dont have to be a director to know a good film, the list is endless.
Maybe so....but there is also a list of things where you simply don't have the knowledge if you don't have experience. If I were to hand you a referee's jersey and send you out to officiate a peewee game, you wouldn't have the first clue what to do.

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Game management = Making it up as they go along
Wrong.

Game Management = Allowing the players to decide the game while keeping it fair and safe at the same time.

There is a reason officials are taught Game Management from the time they start officiating Novice games.

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You're right there are two different fundamentals of officiating in the NFL and the NHL.

In the NFL they take all they knowledge the officials have to make the right call for the integrity of the game.

In the NHL, one official has all the power and no matter how wrong he is, his fellow officials aren't even allowed to attempt to get him to change his call to the correct call.

 
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Just because Game Management is taught to beginning level officials that doesn't mean it's the right philosophy. The world used to be flat, ya know?

 
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That's football, not hockey. Two different sports, two different fundamentals of officiating.
The same fundamentals apply, you want to have a fair game refereed to the rules but one sport is taught this and the other is taught to ignore the rules.
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Maybe so....but there is also a list of things where you simply don't have the knowledge if you don't have experience.
And hockey is not one of them. You are basically thinking everyones knowledge is lower than yours but that thought is more a reflection on you, rather than them.
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If I were to hand you a referee's jersey and send you out to officiate a peewee game, you wouldn't have the first clue what to do.
How is this is relevent? If someone put me in front of a camera and told me to act, I wouldnt know what to do. This doesnt stop me knowing a bad actor from good, having a amateur dramatics "expert" tell me that I wouldnt be able to do it because I have no acting experience would seem rather stupid, wouldnt it?
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Wrong.
Game Management = Allowing the players to decide the game while keeping it fair and safe at the same time.
There is a reason officials are taught Game Management from the time they start officiating Novice games.
What you fail to realise that not calling a penalty is deciding a game just as must as calling one.
I find it comical that you think you know more than the players who want a fair system, not one that changes all the time Ref to ref, period to period, month to month.

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