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03-28-2013, 01:21 PM
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...ya, fallen arches. Older than Larry & Moe though. Suffered when catching a
piano dropped from a 3rd floor window by Maurice Richard while helping him move.
He was a victim of circumstances!!!

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Doug Gilmour was drafted in the late rounds by St Louis and traded to Calgary in 1988.

Brett Hull was drafted in the late rounds by Calgary and traded to St Louis in 1988.

Yet neither were traded for each other.

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The best + and - stat of forward / season played (1967-2013) is Mike Bossy with +41.
Second is Bobby Clarke with +37

I am not exactly sure what this stat means but i would guess that it is the combined +/- divided by amount of seasons played. I read this in a Finnish magazine too, so I did not check it personally.
Bossy +381 in 10 seasons = +38 average. +40 per 80 games.
Clarke +506 in 15 seasons = +33 average. +35 per 80 games.

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Brothers

Few other HHOF/marginal brother combinations - less than 40 games.

Bryan Trottier/Rocky Trottier
Andy Bathgate/Frank Bathgate
Harry Howell/Ron Howell - Ron had a long CFL career.
Marcel Pronovost/Claude Pronovost

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Brian Rafalski and Peter Sykora have each played in the same 5 Cup finals. Together with NJD in 2000 and 2001, with NJD and Anahiem respectively in 2003, and with Detroit and Pittsburgh respectively in 2008 and 2009

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03-29-2013, 12:17 AM
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Bossy +381 in 10 seasons = +38 average. +40 per 80 games.
Clarke +506 in 15 seasons = +33 average. +35 per 80 games.
Yeah, I am not really sure what they meant. Obviously it was wrong.

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Jamie Storr was a member of the NHL's All-Rookie team...twice.

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if im correct, then Peter and Anton Stastny are the only one brother duo in NHL history, that recorded 2 consecutive 8-point games. Together in one team.

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Not 100% sure about this either, but i read somewhere that very old hockey games (outside played) used frozen cow dung as a puck.

Also, the Fox channel used some sort of microchip in pucks to help locating the moving puck on TV.


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03-29-2013, 08:18 AM
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Is the "bad brother" phenomenon down to poor scouting?

Did teams at one point think: "Hey this really good player we have has a brother who knows how to skate, let's try him out."?
Yeah, and it goes further than brothers. Sons get the benefit of the doubt too. Ryan Sittler and Danny Geoffrion never amounted to anything in the NHL but their fathers did. To a much lesser extent Eric Chouinard didn't have his father's talent either. This is the one time where I remember Brian Burke publicly saying about Jeff Tambellini when it was his draft year that they would NOT pick him just because his father (Steve) was with the organization. Burke's quote went along the lines of: "We don't know how long Steve will be with us anyway" or something like that.

Speaking of brothers, for those that remember, once the top 3 Staals were in the NHL there was talk of Jared. I clearly remember the idea was that he could be "the best of the bunch". Hmmm.

Marcel Dionne never won a 7 game playoff round in his career. Just best of 5.

This one I don't understand since Coffey is one of my favourites and an all-time great but after Coffey left his first four teams (Edm, Pitt, LA, Det) they did something spectacular afterwards, or repeated as Cup champs.

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The Oilers and Flames had an epic 7-game battle in the first round of the 1991 playoffs. It would seem unfathomable at the time that the two teams would not both make the playoffs in the same year again until 2006. They would have met that year too, had Calgary not lost to Anaheim.

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In the 2006 playoffs, all first 4 seeds of the West were out in the 1st round.

I do believe that Patrick Roy has a losing record vs Tampa Bay.

Jay Bouwmeester (sp?) has never made the playoffs, yet three years after he left Florida, the latter made it and the Flames (who went to the POs between 2004-09) miss it ever since.

1996 was the last time all 6 "originals" teams made the playoffs at the same time.

Had they not miss the playoffs in 1970, the Habs would have been the one with the POs appearrance with 54 between 1941-94.

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I do believe that Patrick Roy has a losing record vs Tampa Bay.
Other interesting Roy facts, in spite of his clutchness:

- He did not record a single shutout during his Conn Smythe playoff season in 1993,

- He has a losing record in game 7s.

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Using hockey-reference.com and looking at guys with the last name who were born in the same province and near the same time (with some other spot checking) I think I have most (perhaps not all) of the HHOF/marginal brother combos.

In addition to what has already been listed:


Scott Stevens/Mike Stevens(23 gp)
Mark Messier/Paul Messier (9 gp)
Steve Shutt/Byron Shutt (65 gp)
Bud Poile/Don Poile(66 gp)
Murray Costello/Les Costello (15 gp)
Aurele Joliat/Rene Joliat (1 gp)
Bill Quackenbush/Max Quackenbush (61 gp)
Art Coulter/Thomas Coulter(2 gp)
Patrick Roy/Stephane Roy(12 gp)
Doug and Max Bentley/Reg Bently (3 gp)*
UNCONFIRMED--Doug Gilmour/Dave Gilmour(1 WHA gp)
Bill and Bun Cook/Bud Cook (50 gp)
Frank and George Boucher/Bobby Boucher (11 gp)

--Cousins (This wasn't an exhaustive search, but I noted them when they came up)
Mark Messier/Mitch Messier (20 gp)
Mark Messier/Joby Messier (25 gp)
Denis Savard/Jean Savard (43 gp)

Jack Darragh played FEWER games than his non-HHOF brother Harold (121/308)


*Reg Bentley's wikipedia entry specifically mentions Doug and Max convincing Chicago to sign Reg

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I remember hearing that Jared Staal had the most natural talent of the four, but didn't really have the drive/motivation to become a professional.

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I do believe that Patrick Roy has a losing record vs Tampa Bay.
Conversely, if memory serves, Chris Osgood had a perfect record against them. Something like 15-0.

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Antero Niittymaki had a 17-0-0 record against the Atlanta Thrashers.

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Garry Unger was a teammate with the top three point scores in NHL history and 4 of the top 5. It was a more impressive (?) stat when it was the top 4 but Francis passed up Dionne

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Using hockey-reference.com and looking at guys with the last name who were born in the same province and near the same time (with some other spot checking) I think I have most (perhaps not all) of the HHOF/marginal brother combos.

In addition to what has already been listed:


Scott Stevens/Mike Stevens(23 gp)
Mark Messier/Paul Messier (9 gp)
Steve Shutt/Byron Shutt (65 gp)
Bud Poile/Don Poile(66 gp)
Murray Costello/Les Costello (15 gp)
Aurele Joliat/Rene Joliat (1 gp)
Bill Quackenbush/Max Quackenbush (61 gp)
Art Coulter/Thomas Coulter(2 gp)
Patrick Roy/Stephane Roy(12 gp)
Doug and Max Bentley/Reg Bently (3 gp)*
UNCONFIRMED--Doug Gilmour/Dave Gilmour(1 WHA gp)
Bill and Bun Cook/Bud Cook (50 gp)
Frank and George Boucher/Bobby Boucher (11 gp)
Brad Ference and Andrew Ference were both born in Alberta (Brad in Calgary, Andrew in Edmonton) in 1979 (about 3 weeks apart, too), both drafted in the 1997 draft (Andrew was taken in the 8th round, yet is still playing, while Brad was a 10th overall pick and retired in 2008) and both played on the 1999 Canadian Junior team. They also both played on Calgary in the 2006-07 season, though Andrew was traded mid-season, and Brad only played 5 games, so I don't think they played together at all that year. Yet they're entirely unrelated.

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I ran in to a few unimportant random facts when reading Pro hockey issue today. I started wondering how much useless trivia do you guys have about hockey and it might be fun to list these in this thread. (Not sure if there has sometime been a thread like this, but i could not find one trough search)

Well, here goes:

Did you know that Gordie Howe played agains Dit Clapper as a rookie, who had his debut in November 1927

http://www.hockey-reference.com/play...clappdi01.html

Howe also played against Mark Messier who played his last game in March 2004.

http://www.hockey-reference.com/play...messima01.html

That is a time-span of over 76 years in which it is possible to "link" Howe in.
You can probably link Howe a little further if you include the 1997 Detroit Vipers team. Also on the team, but I'm not sure if they overlapped, was current Devils' goaltender Johan Hedberg.

http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=480

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Marcel Dionne never won a 7 game playoff round in his career. Just best of 5.
I always found it ironic that his brother, Gilbert, who only played around 200 games in the league, won a cup.

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I know there are a lot brothers who end up in the league (especially compared to other sports). But am I the only person who finds it interesting the Gretzky, Howe, Lemieux and Lindros all had brothers who appeared in the NHL but whose careers were completely without distinction. I think Alain Lemieux had the best out of the four forgotten brothers with something like 150 games and 80 points over a number of years. The other brothers had just a handful of appearances between them.
Alain Lemieux played for the Milwaukee Admirals in 1990-91. He scored 29 points in 30 games and averaged a point a game in the playoffs, yet that was really the end of his playing career. He started the season with the Albany Choppers, who folded on Valentine's Day 1991. He scored 72 points in 119 NHL games. It was a month before I realized whose brother he was. It wasn't publicized in Milwaukee that I know of.

Wayne had 2 brothers, Keith who played for the Flint Spirits and San Diego Gulls but never in the NHL. Brent played for 5 IHL teams, the only good one was the Atlanta Knights in 1993-94. Only 13 NHL games, all with Tampa Bay. He was an average IHL player at best, 2nd or 3rd liner. I am sure that the last name was a burden.

I didn't know that Howe had a hockey playing brother. Brett Lindros was a first round choice of the Islanders. I think he had some injuries, maybe a bad shoulder?

The same thing happens in baseball. Robin Yount (Brewers) HOF. Larry Yount blew out his rotator cuff warming up for his first MLB game. Never came back from it.

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Speaking of brothers,

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Marcel Dionne never won a 7 game playoff round in his career. Just best of 5.
Speaking of brothers, Marcel Dionne and playoffs: Marcel's much younger brother Gilbert won a Stanley Cup!

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Brett Lindros was a first round choice of the Islanders. I think he had some injuries, maybe a bad shoulder?
Shoulder?! His name is LINDROS: he retired because of concussions!

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Relatives of established present/past NHL players drafted in the last years:
*Didn't include present, established NHLers
*Didn't include cousins/nephews

2012:
- Griffin Reinhart (4th), son of Paul
- Malcolm Subban (24th), brother of PK
- Henrik Samuelsson (27th), son of Ulf
- Stefan Matteau (29th), son of Stephane
- Lukas Sutter (39th), son of Rich
- Brock McGinn (47th), brother of Jamie
- Tim Bozon (64th), son of Philippe
- Tim Boyle (106th), brother of Brian
- Louis Nanne (181st), grandson of Lou

2011:
- Connor Murphy (20th), son of Gord
- David Musil (31st), son of Frank
- Alexander Ruuttu (51st), son of Christian
- Adam (67th) and Joel (140th) Lowry , sons of Dave
- Keegan Lowe (73rd), son of Kevin
- Nick Shore (82nd), brother of Drew
- Dillon Simpson (92nd), son of Craig
- Michael St. Croix (106th), son of Rick
- Josh Manson (160th), son of Dave
- Dillon Donnelly (183rd), son of Gord
- Brody Sutter (193rd), son of Duane

2010:
- Jarred Tinordi (23rd), son of Mark
- Dalton Smith (34th), son of Derrick
- Christian Thomas (40th), son of Steve
- Brock Beukeboom (63rd), son of Jeff
- Max Reinhart (64th), son of Paul
- Louis-Marc Aubry (81st), son of Pierre
- John Ramage (103rd), son of Rob
- Tye McGinn (119th), brother of Jamie
- Freddie Hamilton (129th), brother of Dougie
- Joonas Rask (198th), brother of Tuukka

2009:
- Carter Ashton (29th), son of Brent
- Landon Ferraro (31st), son of Ray
- Philip Samuelsson (61st), son of Ulf
- Ryan Bourque (80th), son of Ray
- Andy Bathgate (151st), grandson of Andy
- Brandon Maxwell (154th), son of Brad
- Eric Wellwood (172nd), brother of Kyle

2008:
- Anton Gustafsson (21st), son of Bengt
- Philip McRae (33rd), son of Basil
- Maxime Sauve (47th), son of J.F.
- Jared Staal (49th), brother of Eric, Marc and Jordan
- David Toews (66th), brother of Jonathan
- Ian Schultz (87th), brother of Jeff
- Brett Hextall (159th), son of Ron
- David Carle (203rd), brother of Matt

2007:
- Logan MacMillan (19th), son of Bob
- Maxime Tanguay (69th), brother of Alex
- Justin Vaive (92nd), son of Rick
- Vladimir Ruzicka (103rd), son of Vladimir
- Mark Santorelli (119th), brother of Mike
- Michael Neal (149th), brother of James
- Blake Kessel (166th), brother of Phil
- Justin Courtnall (210th), son of Geoff

2006:
- Francois Bouchard (35th), brother of Pierre-Marc
- Keith Seabrook (52nd), brother of Brent
- Blake Geoffrion (56th), son of Dan, grandson of Bernie
- Michael Dupont (175th), son of Norm

2005:
- Tom Fritsche (47th), brother of Dan
- Dan Ryder (74th), brother of Michael
- Brett Sutter (179th), son of Darryl
- Ryan Russell (211th), brother of Kris
- Alexander Sundstrom (218th), son of Patrik
- Andrew Orpik (227th), brother of Brooks

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Alright, Patrick Roy is 7-10-9 overall against Philly. That isn't outlandish or anything but while it might take a lot of work I believe Roy either never won once or maybe won a single game against Philly the entire time he was a Hab. His record against Philly as a Hab was 1-8-5 or something like that. I am sure someone can find it for sure. Either way, it is horrendous and it makes you wonder what the heck Philly would do to him. As an Avalanche he narrowed that record down a bit but it is strange because the Habs were always good when he was there and Philly was just awful for about half the time he was a Hab.

Yeah, I checked out his Tampa record, 7-9-1. Really? The Lightning were almost exclusively a terrible team during Roy's tenure. That doesn't make sense.

He also has only a 2-1 record against Winnipeg. I know they moved in 1996 but I am surprised he played them so little. I guess Hayward took care of the seemingly easy Jets games then?

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