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03-29-2013, 07:11 PM
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I guess you could say Desharnais is good at shootouts. This means he has one other aspect that he brings. That's not nearly enough for me to warrant his contract though.

In terms of injuries, if we lose Plekenec, we are done. We are not winning a playoff series this year. He is that important to this team. No one currently on our roster can replace what he does. In the future, Eller and Galchenyuk will be able to though

In terms of the offer, don't know too much about Patrecki, Uborn. They seem like borderline NHLers to me. In terms of Tallinder, what's with him being off the roster? Not sure what's going on there.
Petrecki is definitely a borderline NHL'er.

Urbom is one of the Devils' top defense prospects, projects as a #3 (think Tinordi). Tallinder is apparently got a minor lower-body injury.

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Every time i open this thread i sing the michael jackson song.



Trade Desharnais now? Only for a bigger center shutdown like Hanzal i would love him on the habs.
I doubt we would get an upgrade offensively so might as well be defensively.

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You have awful high expectations to say that Plekanec is not a true #1 center, unless you're ranking him in the "Malkin" group of #2 centers.

He's finished in the Top-30 scoring centers in 5 of the last 6 years despite playing against the best offensive players in the league.
Pleks is a 2 , NEVER WAS A ONE AND NEVER WILL BE

Malkin, Spezza, Towes , Sedin , etc ....are 1`s , its not even close

there might only be 10-12 legit number ones in this league

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Pleks is a 2 , NEVER WAS A ONE AND NEVER WILL BE

Malkin, Spezza, Towes , Sedin , etc ....are 1`s , its not even close

there might only be 10-12 legit number ones in this league
No, they are elite. Plekanec is a #1, he's just in the level underneath the elite ones.

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Pleks is a 2 , NEVER WAS A ONE AND NEVER WILL BE

Malkin, Spezza, Towes , Sedin , etc ....are 1`s , its not even close

there might only be 10-12 legit number ones in this league
What's a legitimate number 1 centre? I think you should understand the difference between elite number 1 centres and number 1 centres.

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Pleks is a 2 , NEVER WAS A ONE AND NEVER WILL BE

Malkin, Spezza, Towes , Sedin , etc ....are 1`s , its not even close

there might only be 10-12 legit number ones in this league
Your opinion still leaves room for 18-20 that are still #1s by definition.

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that's back??!?!?
Did it ever leave? We just see it less, what with neither Kostitsyn brother in town anymore.

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Pleks is a 2 , NEVER WAS A ONE AND NEVER WILL BE

Malkin, Spezza, Towes , Sedin , etc ....are 1`s , its not even close

there might only be 10-12 legit number ones in this league
How can there be 10-12 legit number one centers if there are 30 teams?

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Was at the Bell Center tonite. Desharnais was less than impressive... he is such a liability that at one point in the third period Therrien had the line of DD, MaxPac and Halpern out in for a defensive zone faceoff. Halpern took the faceoff instead of DD, as soon as the puck left the habs zone Halpern went off and Gallager jumped on the ice!

Therrien is already sheltering the DD! Four more years of this?

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Was at the Bell Center tonite. Desharnais was less than impressive... he is such a liability that at one point in the third period Therrien had the line of DD, MaxPac and Halpern out in for a defensive zone faceoff. Halpern took the faceoff instead of DD, as soon as the puck left the habs zone Halpern went off and Gallager jumped on the ice!

Therrien is already sheltering the DD! Four more years of this?
The picked Halpern off the waivers so he could take the defensive zone face-offs. That might be his only use, so better use him, no?

That's not "sheltering" (geez I hate that word). That's just good bench management. If Desharnais was really "sheltered", he would have been the one at the bench instead of Gallagher.

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Was at the Bell Center tonite. Desharnais was less than impressive... he is such a liability that at one point in the third period Therrien had the line of DD, MaxPac and Halpern out in for a defensive zone faceoff. Halpern took the faceoff instead of DD, as soon as the puck left the habs zone Halpern went off and Gallager jumped on the ice!

Therrien is already sheltering the DD! Four more years of this?
We get it, you don't like Desharnais. Chirping him for an aspect that the whole team sucks at is a new low. That's good bench management anyway, having two centers on the ice for defensive zone face-offs - especially with how often people are being kicked out of the dot this year.

DD had a weak first period, but followed that up by playing well in the second and third. He could have had 5 or 6 points last night - he was making some very good passes.

He's got 4 points and a +1 rating, with a solid faceoff% in his last 5 games - hating on him now is just overkill.

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As long as we have Pleks, I would prefer not to have DD. But, not sure how we can trade him and frankly I do not think Habs want to trade him.

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As long as we have Pleks, I would prefer not to have DD. But, not sure how we can trade him and frankly I do not think Habs want to trade him.
Why do you hate depth?

Let's say we trade DD & Kaberle for a 1st and a bottom pairing defenseman (think Ballard).

Plekanec gets hurt the very next game.

Are you comfortable going into the playoffs with;

Ryder - Eller - Gionta
Pacioretty - Galchenyuk - Gallagher
Prust - Halpern - Bourque
Moen - White - Armstrong

cause I'm not...

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Why do you hate depth?

Let's say we trade DD & Kaberle for a 1st and a bottom pairing defenseman (think Ballard).

Plekanec gets hurt the very next game.

Are you comfortable going into the playoffs with;

Ryder - Eller - Gionta
Pacioretty - Galchenyuk - Gallagher
Prust - Halpern - Bourque
Moen - White - Armstrong

cause I'm not...
Don't hate Desharnais. Just not happy with his contract and timing of his signing. Don't see what was the rush to sign him now and for four years.

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Don't hate Desharnais. Just not happy with his contract and timing of his signing. Don't see what was the rush to sign him now and for four years.
How about... Because DD wanted to sign? And because MB wanted to sign DD?

So instead of making him wait, they signed the contract right away?

Besides, why do you hate DD THIS YEAR if you only hate his contract? He makes 850K or something.

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Don't hate Desharnais. Just not happy with his contract and timing of his signing. Don't see what was the rush to sign him now and for four years.
The rush was that you try to get players at a cheaper value than the open market - especially if Beregevin feels Desharnais still has potential to be better than what he already is (50-60 points offensive center).

Parenteau got $4M on the open market, which is probably similar to what Desharnais would have got on the open market (maybe more because he plays center), at his current value. If he has a fantastic playoffs or a really good year next year, he might have got even closer to Grabovski-like money. Locking him up long-term, for cheaper than market value is a good move.

Yeah, he might get pushed to the wing eventually and lose the "he plays center" value, but he's still probably slightly below market value even then.

Timing of the contract was weird, I agree. I thought he would have waited until the end of the season.. but as evidenced by his moves this year, Bergevin seems like he wants to be a very active GM year round. Not just active from June-August like Bob Gainey.

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Besides, MT did the same with Eller -- subbing in Halpern for a winger at the faceoff.

Eller should be traded I guess.

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How can there be 10-12 legit number one centers if there are 30 teams?
Because the other 18-20 were born out of wedlock

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Pleks is a 2 , NEVER WAS A ONE AND NEVER WILL BE

Malkin, Spezza, Towes , Sedin , etc ....are 1`s , its not even close

there might only be 10-12 legit number ones in this league
I wonder whats the huge difference in between Toews and Plekanec... Is it Kane, Sharp and Hossa? Or is it really talent?

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The rush was that you try to get players at a cheaper value than the open market - especially if Beregevin feels Desharnais still has potential to be better than what he already is (50-60 points offensive center).

Parenteau got $4M on the open market, which is probably similar to what Desharnais would have got on the open market (maybe more because he plays center), at his current value. If he has a fantastic playoffs or a really good year next year, he might have got even closer to Grabovski-like money. Locking him up long-term, for cheaper than market value is a good move.

Yeah, he might get pushed to the wing eventually and lose the "he plays center" value, but he's still probably slightly below market value even then.

Timing of the contract was weird, I agree. I thought he would have waited until the end of the season.. but as evidenced by his moves this year, Bergevin seems like he wants to be a very active GM year round. Not just active from June-August like Bob Gainey.
That was cheap? Jeez.

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That was cheap? Jeez.
DD's contract is cheap IF current season is an anomaly.

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DD's contract is cheap IF current season is an anomaly.
What if his career year IS the anomaly ? Because that looks like it.

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DD's contract is cheap IF current season is an anomaly.
He's on pace for 49-points, playing less minutes than last year and struggling on the PP (which is probably due to our different strategy this year, since we actually have shooters).

Here's an interesting fact; Desharnais actually scoring at a higher rate at ES this year than he was last year.

His struggles this year, offensively, is purely due to the powerplay not relying on him (and Patches/Cole).

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He's on pace for 49-points, playing less minutes than last year and struggling on the PP (which is probably due to our different strategy this year, since we actually have shooters).

Here's an interesting fact; Desharnais actually scoring at a higher rate at ES this year than he was last year.

His struggles this year, offensively, is purely due to the powerplay not relying on him (and Patches/Cole).
Its due to him playing bad. Nothing else.

He cant win a puck battle anymore and he kills offensive plays like Gionta out there.
He was good when he was skating alot. He was elusive. Now?...

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Its due to him playing bad. Nothing else.

He cant win a puck battle anymore and he kills offensive plays like Gionta out there.
He was good when he was skating alot. He was elusive. Now?...
If that's what you believe, there's no point in debating with you.

His ES production is better than last year and that's key, especially for the playoffs.

You're going to get sick of complaining about him .. you've got 4 and 1/2 years left.

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