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03-25-2013, 04:38 AM
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Coiiseum sued for asbestos

http://www.newsday.com/long-island/n...uits-1.4894415

Published: March 24, 2013 10:28 PM
By ROBERT BRODSKY robert.brodsky@newsday.com

More than 100 current and former Nassau Coliseum employees have begun the process of filing lawsuits alleging that long-term exposure to asbestos at the county-owned arena made them seriously ill, according to court documents.

The plaintiffs, including a widow of a heating and air conditioning technician who filed a wrongful death action, will seek $500 million to $1 billion from 21 defendants...


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including Nassau County, the New York Islanders and facility manager SMG, said attorney Joseph Dell, who is handling the cases.

Hopefully the Isles are not on hook for any damages here. Wouldn't this hurt any chances of the Coliseum being down sized for future use?

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Isles won't be on the hook as far as it looks to me. MAYBE some sort of secondary liabilities? Lawyers like to lay the blame on everyone so they can get chunks of money from multiple parties. Not everyone though is to blame...it's a numbers game, however, I can even see the Isles sue the county too.

What kind of story would this have made had the Isles decided to stay..who knows..we probably wouldn't think of suing the county if they were building us a new arena...

Paybacks a B*.

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HAHA! $500 millons - $1 billon? That's between $23,8 millions and $47,6 millions for each person. Seriously, get real.

Only in America.....

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Who has less money, nassau or NYI?


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and the process of exiting the Coliseum early begins...

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and the process of exiting the Coliseum early begins...
My thoughts exactly. If the Isles are a defendant, they CAN probably break the lease so they are not exposing any more workers to a known safety hazard.

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03-25-2013, 11:55 AM
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no wonder no one wants to play here

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and the process of exiting the Coliseum early begins...
Actually no it doesn't.

It has been documented that the asbestos is confined to places that do not effect the public or the preforming areas or preforming personel in the Coliseum. Isles do not stand a chance of breaking their lease based on this lawsuit.

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My thoughts exactly. If the Isles are a defendant, they CAN probably break the lease so they are not exposing any more workers to a known safety hazard.
Islanders workers are not exposed to the asbestos according to officials when this story first broke a few years ago. The asbestos was found in some back room areas and no where near the public areas, playing/preforming areas or locker rooms.

So unless NYI workers are walking the catacombs of the NVMC, there is no danger to them.

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Actually no it doesn't.

It has been documented that the asbestos is confined to places that do not effect the public or the preforming areas or preforming personel in the Coliseum. Isles do not stand a chance of breaking their lease based on this lawsuit.
Add: it's been abated.

So it's not an issues now except in a probably frivolous lawsuit. Asbestos is fully legal and does its job well, but once exposed must be abated. It's been exposed recently according to the stories....it got abated. The Coliseum now has no asbestos issue.

Except to the lawyers trying to cash in.

Where were the reports of asbestos being visible in years past?

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Just heard the story on WCBS Newsradio 88 about asbestos at NVMC and nassau/NYI getting sued. Nassau owns it, SMG runs it but NYI employees might've been aware of it beforehand to effect workers so the report said.

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Add: it's been abated.

So it's not an issues now except in a probably frivolous lawsuit. Asbestos is fully legal and does its job well, but once exposed must be abated. It's been exposed recently according to the stories....it got abated. The Coliseum now has no asbestos issue.

Except to the lawyers trying to cash in.

Where were the reports of asbestos being visible in years past?
Maybe it has

Maybe it has not

As per the article

"Asbestos concerns at the Coliseum first surfaced in March 2012 after Robert Wass, 53, an SMG electrical foreman from Smithtown and a plaintiff who has been diagnosed with early-stage asbestosis, collected samples from 10 spots in the building and sent them to labs in Holbrook and Florida for analysis. Seven sites came back positive for asbestos.
A subsequent inspection by J.C. Broderick & Associates Inc. of Hauppauge, a county consultant, found asbestos in areas including stairwells, a tunnel below the exhibition hall and in an ice plant. Broderick found no contamination in public areas of the arena. County officials say asbestos later was removed from the affected areas, although Wass said only a fraction of the asbestos has been removed from the building.


If true its not a leap to think the county did the minimum on the first round of abatement and that part of a settlement (where all lawsuits end up) might include removal off all asbestos.

While the law suit alone is not cause for the Islanders to break the lease, if there is further abatement to be done the question becomes, Can the county afford it? and if not, Can the county continue to operate the building if areas can no longer be accessed for service?

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Maybe it has

Maybe it has not

As per the article

"Asbestos concerns at the Coliseum first surfaced in March 2012 after Robert Wass, 53, an SMG electrical foreman from Smithtown and a plaintiff who has been diagnosed with early-stage asbestosis, collected samples from 10 spots in the building and sent them to labs in Holbrook and Florida for analysis. Seven sites came back positive for asbestos.
A subsequent inspection by J.C. Broderick & Associates Inc. of Hauppauge, a county consultant, found asbestos in areas including stairwells, a tunnel below the exhibition hall and in an ice plant. Broderick found no contamination in public areas of the arena. County officials say asbestos later was removed from the affected areas, although Wass said only a fraction of the asbestos has been removed from the building.


If true its not a leap to think the county did the minimum on the first round of abatement and that part of a settlement (where all lawsuits end up) might include removal off all asbestos.

While the law suit alone is not cause for the Islanders to break the lease, if there is further abatement to be done the question becomes, Can the county afford it? and if not, Can the county continue to operate the building if areas can no longer be accessed for service?
If there is no exposed asbestos, it does not have to be abated. If there has been any sign of exposed asbestos, BY LAW, the area has to be quarantined and abated. If the asbestos remains undisturbed for the next 100 years, unless there are laws passed that all existing asbestos must be removed and replaced with similarly-though-not-as-bad harmful replacement insulation/fireproofing, there will be asbestos there for 100 years.

But that will never happen. Asbestos works very well and lines about every modern skyscraper and building made 4 years or more ago in the nation. Project those costs to any legislation banning its use.

Furthermore, if there has been a prolonged exposure, it's a crapshoot, honestly, but a few weeks or months amount to nothing. I wonder if the claimants smoke. Was it reported as exposed the instant it was? I doubt it.....but it's now fixed. Any further exposures would have to be immediately remedied, naturally.

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If there is no exposed asbestos, it does not have to be abated. If there has been any sign of exposed asbestos, BY LAW, the area has to be quarantined and abated. If the asbestos remains undisturbed for the next 100 years, unless there are laws passed that all existing asbestos must be removed and replaced with similarly-though-not-as-bad harmful replacement insulation/fireproofing, there will be asbestos there for 100 years.

But that will never happen. Asbestos works very well and lines about every modern skyscraper and building made 4 years or more ago in the nation. Project those costs to any legislation banning its use.

Furthermore, if there has been a prolonged exposure, it's a crapshoot, honestly, but a few weeks or months amount to nothing. I wonder if the claimants smoke. Was it reported as exposed the instant it was? I doubt it.....but it's now fixed. Any further exposures would have to be immediately remedied, naturally.

the gentlemen making the claim that only a fraction of the asbestos has been removed worked at the NVMC long after the initial construction, so if his claims are true then he may have seen exposed asbestos or asbestos that is hidden to the general public but in service areas accessed by things such as service panels etc. Again this is his claim so he has a vested interest. But the question still remains. Has all asbestos that needs to be removed been, in fact, removed? And if not what is the cost to do the job correctly and can Nassau afford it?

Legally it needs to be removed but its the age old question;

Who watches the watchers?

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To say the least. It's become all too predictable and laughable. Except for the people with the illness.

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Can't really make an asbestos claim unless you have an asbestos disease. The only thing I read is that one of the workers, an electrician, has asbestosis. I haven't seen anything about any of the others.

Asbestosis - unlike mesothelioma -- is caused by long term extensive exposure to asbestos dust at an absolute minimum of more than 10 years ago. Plus in many jurisdictions, asbestosis isn't compensable unless it is seriously disabling.

Just being around asbestos doesn't give you a case. Everyone in the United States has breathed in some asbestos dust at one point or another. If you do a tissue digestion of anyone's lungs or pleura you will find fibers.

And by the way, MSG was also loaded with asbestos. Looks like a lot has been abated with the recent renovation.

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No wonder Wang was completely against Coliseum renovations as opposed to burning the thing to the ground and starting over. This site is a ticking time bomb.

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