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03-31-2013, 11:30 AM
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With another year left no way someone is taking him. Our only hope at this point is swap with another bad contract or wait until summer to buy him out.
Maybe a team will get desperate at the deadline.

Say if NYR can't get Streit signed, maybe they trade him and get Kaberle for free(or next to nothing) to replace his offense.

...or maybe another contender is waiting for prices to drop and they don't, so they chose to get Kaberle then buy him out in July.


...or the Habs think prices are too high for a d-man, Diaz's return is delayed so they give kaberle the #6 spot for the rest of the year.

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03-31-2013, 11:35 AM
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Was hoping someone would take a chance on him as a veteran presence etc but I guess the salary just scares everyone off.

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03-31-2013, 11:41 AM
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03-31-2013, 11:44 AM
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Was hoping someone would take a chance on him as a veteran presence etc but I guess the salary just scares everyone off.
Like Jokinen it's 100% about his 13-14 cap hit. If those guys were coming up on free agency they'd have good(see Murray Morrow Leopold) value right now...2nd rounder plus another pick.

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03-31-2013, 11:46 AM
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Good ...now habs got the option to send him down IF they need cap space from now to Apr 3rd.

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03-31-2013, 11:47 AM
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Like Jokinen it's 100% about his 13-14 cap hit. If those guys were coming up on free agency they'd have good(see Murray Morrow Leopold) value right now...2nd rounder plus another pick.
Please, give it up, you're just plain wrong on this one.

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03-31-2013, 11:49 AM
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Good ...now habs got the option to send him down IF they need cap space from now to Apr 3rd.
If you send someone down, the salary still counts against the cap per new CBA.

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03-31-2013, 11:51 AM
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No surprises, no one is going to claim 4.25 mil in cap hit and salary, even if the player still has limited uses.

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03-31-2013, 11:52 AM
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Like Jokinen it's 100% about his 13-14 cap hit. If those guys were coming up on free agency they'd have good(see Murray Morrow Leopold) value right now...2nd rounder plus another pick.
Plus Kaberle's 13-14 is also his most expensive year. Too bad his contract was not front loaded.

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If you send someone down, the salary still counts against the cap per new CBA.
You can save a pro-rated 900K I believe...

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You can save a pro-rated 900K I believe...
Yes you are right, thanks.

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03-31-2013, 11:58 AM
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If you send someone down, the salary still counts against the cap per new CBA.
Its not so much about the salary cap, as it is for a roster spot. Most cap hits at this point in the season are very small and have little impact on the total cap.

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03-31-2013, 11:59 AM
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Here’s an interesting new rule NHL general managers should be able to have a lot of fun with.

Or at the very least get out of some of their most egregious mistakes.

Teams will in the new collective agreement be able to for the first time under a salary cap keep salary on their books and trade part of a contract.

There are four golden rules that apply to retaining salary:

1. Teams can only have three contracts on the books where they’ve retained salary in a trade

2. Teams can keep only up to 15 per cent of the salary cap in a given year, meaning they would max out at $9.645-million under the $64.3-million cap that’s likely to be in place in 2013-14 and 2014-15

3. Only 50 per cent of a contract can be kept

4. A contract can only be traded in one of these deals twice

This is going to be a fairly complicated provision in the deal, and one that will make following the salary cap machinations of teams even more difficult.

Let’s use some examples here to make the rule easier to understand, with the cap-strapped Montreal Canadiens and (likely) unwanted defenceman Tomas Kaberle as the guinea pigs.

Kaberle has two seasons left on his deal, both for $4.25-million in both salary and cap hit. The Habs can then choose to keep $2.125-million of that, continue to pay half his contract, but gain the rest in cap space by sending him to another team.

Let’s say the New York Islanders take on that deal. They will be on the hook for two more years of both cap hit and salary.

If the Isles then choose to move him, they can then keep up to $1.06-million of Kaberle’s contract and another team will get him for that paltry amount.

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03-31-2013, 12:01 PM
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Please, give it up, you're just plain wrong on this one.
You just plain have no clue.

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03-31-2013, 12:02 PM
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Good ...now habs got the option to send him down IF they need cap space from now to Apr 3rd.
They have more cap space than they need, it's just for the roster spot. There is a limit of 23 active players until April 3rd(I believe, not 100% sure on the date).

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03-31-2013, 12:17 PM
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You just plain have no clue.
I am not the one babbling on about the tradeability of a player who has been scratched almost all season and just cleared waivers. Think about that for a second.

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03-31-2013, 12:18 PM
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Yep, just saw it folks. Tomas Kaberle just passed through waivers. NO ONE WANTS HIM AT HIS PRICE. So, was Kaberle better than having free cap space to sign someone else? Because no way we were going to re-sign Spacek.

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03-31-2013, 12:21 PM
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I am not the one babbling on about the tradeability of a player who has been scratched almost all season and just cleared waivers. Think about that for a second.
Guys like Clowe Murray and Morrow are having crappy years with similar cap hits and have returned very good picks. Why do you think nobody claimed Jokinen on waivers despite a pile of teams needing scoring help? It's all about the 2013-14 cap and it going down.

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03-31-2013, 12:22 PM
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It seems certain that amnesty buyout #2 has now been slotted for Kaberle. No one else would seem to be a candidate.

I would assume that he is kept on the active roster as depth for an injury situation until the end of the playoffs barring a trade involving a d-man.

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03-31-2013, 12:44 PM
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They complimented each other, but Kaberle did well before and after McCabe
I thought McCabe was good before and after the Leafs too. So it's kind of moot.

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03-31-2013, 01:01 PM
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Poor Bouwmeester, one day he'll get playoff experience. One day.

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Wow...it can't be. How is this incredible d-man not be picked on waivers? Who cares about the money he makes, he is so valuable. Wow, so many dumb teams in the league....

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03-31-2013, 01:32 PM
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Guys like Clowe Murray and Morrow are having crappy years with similar cap hits and have returned very good picks. Why do you think nobody claimed Jokinen on waivers despite a pile of teams needing scoring help? It's all about the 2013-14 cap and it going down.
Your probably 100% correct on him being unwanted because of 13 - 14, but probably very wrong on the return. Nobody is giving even a third round pick for a defenseman who is weak defensively and has a poor shot. Certainly not a second rounder.

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03-31-2013, 01:34 PM
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Wow...it can't be. How is this incredible d-man not be picked on waivers? Who cares about the money he makes, he is so valuable. Wow, so many dumb teams in the league....
I remember arguing with posters on here during the lockout and at the beginning of the season that Kaberle had no trade value what so ever and that he was unmovable.

Low and behold, I told ya so. If he wasn't under contract next season, he may indeed have been movable for a mid-late draft pick (nothing more) but that extra year totally negates what if any value he holds. He will be bought out this summer and sign a sub-1M/1yr contract with a club desperate for a PMD, or he will simply return to the Czech league.

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You know, after thinking about it a bit, it's definitely to Bouillon's credit that Kaberle is seen as completely expendable. I haven't been overly impressed with Bouillon, but he's obviously giving the Habs just a little bit more in so many areas that Kaberle and his $4 Mil. price tag stick out like a sore thumb. I mean, Bouillon hasn't even looked worse than Kaberle on the powerplay, and that's kind of surprising even to me.

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