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03-31-2013, 12:21 PM
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I think Vanek on Boston would make me sick. He's be even more deadly on that team though.

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03-31-2013, 12:22 PM
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Nyquist is a very solid player and you'll regret not asking for him, hypothetically.
Funny you should say that with a Kadri avatar, because I think we will see the same thing that happened to Kadri in regards to hitting his stride and becoming a force in the NHL taking a season or two and a few fits and starts for many reasons.

Not implying they are the same type of player. Just suggesting the first few years of "meh / bust" thrown at Kadri to see him now just playing spectacular hockey is what I believe will happen with Nyquist.

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03-31-2013, 12:23 PM
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If Boston wants either Vanek or Pominville, its likely going to cost Subban, a pick and a roster player (cap reasons)
Subban + Horton + 1st?

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03-31-2013, 12:25 PM
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Subban + Horton + 1st?
If they were going to trade Miller a deal around Subban would make a lot of sense. The Sabres would have to find a stop gap until he is ready, but this team is going no where anytime soon, so I'd be ok with that.

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Subban + Horton + 1st?
Cant see Buffalo trading their best player to a division rival when a piece coming back is a UFA.

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03-31-2013, 12:27 PM
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Subban + Horton + 1st?
A goalie that's probably a minimum of 3 years away from the NHL is he makes it at all really isn't going to hold that much value for Buffalo. (I know Boston's high on him...Doesn't really matter though. Look where Regier picks his goalies. They're a crapshoot and he knows it.). Horton is a pending UFA and therefor pretty much useless to Buffalo since there's roughly a 0% chance he'd re-sign here.

Try again.

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03-31-2013, 12:30 PM
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i don't think hamilton is worth someone like Datsyuk straight up at all. i would be dumb to think that

but the vibe i get from Buffalo fans here seems like they want a ridiculous package ex: Hamilton, bergeron, seguin 2013 1st, 2014 1st might as well give our entire lineup!

datsyuk i would offer Hamilton, seguin and a 1st something like that

but not for Vanek, not even close!

For Vanek i would say same as the Iginla package, + Caron

(1st, koko, bartkowski, Caron , maybe throw peverly)
maybe substitute koko for spooner

and as for vanek being elite (stamkos, malkin, crosby, datsyuk, Sedin, Iginla, etc etc )

Vaneks numbers last 5 years 64,64,53,73,61, pts does that look "elite" for someone who is supposed to be a "pure" & "elite" scorer


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all that being said

vanek is an awesome player
and i would love him on the bruins

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i don't think hamilton is worth someone like Datsyuk straight up at all. i would be dumb to think that

but the vibe i get from Buffalo fans here seems like they want a ridiculous package ex: Hamilton, bergerson, seguin 2013 1st, 2014 1st might as well give our entire lineup!

datsyuk i would offer Hamilton, seguin and a 1st something like that

but not for Vanek, not even close!

For Vanek i would say same as the Iginla package, + Caron

(1st, koko, bartkowski, Caron , maybe throw peverly)
maybe substitute koko for spooner

and as for vanek being elite (stamkos, malkin, crosby, datsyuk, Sedin, Iginla, etc etc )

Vaneks numbers last 5 years 64,64,53,73,61, pts does that look "elite" for someone who is supposed to be a "pure" & "elite" scorer
Again..Look where he ranks in goals over all those years combined. (Hint: over the last 7 years, it's 5th in the league; over that period he has 9 more goals than Nash, having played 1 less game, and probably averaging about 3-4 minutes less TOI/game.)

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03-31-2013, 12:37 PM
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Again..Look where he ranks in goals over all those years combined. (Hint: over the last 7 years, it's 5th in the league; over that period he has 9 more goals than Nash, having played 1 less game, and probably averaging about 3-4 minutes less TOI/game.)

He's an amazing player no doubt but someone posted he averages 32 goals/82 games. Horton averages 28goals/82 games ignoring his rookie year

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03-31-2013, 12:40 PM
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Not interested in any of those pieces in the OP. If you want a proven commodity, you gotta give us one. Your prospect pool is too weak for us to want anything.

Vanek for Boychuk, Caron, high pick maybe 2nd

Vanek for Lucic or Seguin


Yeah, might as well stop dreaming.

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03-31-2013, 12:43 PM
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He's an amazing player no doubt but someone posted he averages 32 goals/82 games. Horton averages 28goals/82 games ignoring his rookie year
Cool. Horton has 153 goals over the past 7 seasons to Vanek's 221. Does that sound close to you? Horton only has 329 points over that same span to Vanek's 432. Vanek's GPG and PPG pace over that period are, respectively, 0.446 and 0.873; Horton's are 0.336 and 0.723.

Vanek is a far better player than Horton. The stats and the good old fashioned eye test both back that up. If you want Vanek, be prepared to give up pieces it'll hurt to see go. If you don't want to, then you're not getting Vanek.

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03-31-2013, 12:46 PM
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If Boston wants either Vanek or Pominville, its likely going to cost Subban, a pick and a roster player (cap reasons)
Subban, 1st and Peverley?

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2011-2012 (51st) 26g
2010-2011 (16th) 32g
2009-2010 (34th) 28g
2008-2009 (8th) 40g
2007-2008 (13th) 36g
2006-2007 (7th) 43g


if you do a little math here
he has averaged to be the "21.5th" goal scorer over 6 years with an average of 34 goals per year

and has been on a decline since 2009-2010

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03-31-2013, 12:48 PM
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Subban + Horton + 1st?
I dont think its too far off except for Horton being a UFA

Subban gives Buffalo the future #1 to allow a Miller trade in the offseason

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Vanek+3rd for:

Subban, Spooner, 1st, Boychuk, Pev

That's a ton, and Boychuk and Pev for salary

(Basically that's like two 1st's, a 2nd, and two roster players)

Thank God you are not Chiarelli

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but the vibe i get from Buffalo fans here seems like they want a ridiculous package ex: Hamilton, bergerson, seguin 2013 1st, 2014 1st might as well give our entire lineup!
No way you're pawning a scrub like Bergerson off on Buffalo, man!

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I dont think its too far off except for Horton being a UFA

Subban gives Buffalo the future #1 to allow a Miller trade in the offseason
Have you paid any attention to how Regier thinks about/values goalie prospects? He's not going to want an 18yo goalie as the primary piece in a deal for his best forward. Period. Way too much risk.

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03-31-2013, 12:52 PM
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Subban, 1st and Peverley?
how long is Peverley signed for?

He wouldnt be a bad 2-3rd C behind Hodgson and Ennis

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Vanek+3rd for:

Subban, Spooner, 1st, Boychuk, Pev

That's a ton, and Boychuk and Pev for salary

(Basically that's like two 1st's, a 2nd, and two roster players)
That is just too much.

Vanek's point totals for the past few years really have been the same as Krejci's point totals, we aren't talking about getting Crosby or Stamkos. We are talking about a 60+ point 2 time 40 goal scorer who hasn't had 40 since 2009.

I think Vanek and Krejci have very similar value and I don't think Krejci would be worth Subban, Spooner, 1st round pick, Boychuk, and Peverley.

If Buffalo was actually considering moving Vanek I think they would accept less than that, but it would have to be what they were looking for whether it is a goaltender, forward, D, picks, or prospects.

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Have you paid any attention to how Regier thinks about/values goalie prospects? He's not going to want an 18yo goalie as the primary piece in a deal for his best forward. Period. Way too much risk.
I understand that, but lots of speculation that Subban was gthe guy he wanted at 21 had the Girgensons trade up not worked out. So Subban would have been the exception of the rule IMO

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Not a bad offer to work with. I think Regier would ask for Sheahan (iirc he wanted him before the draft) and might push for another secondary piece from Detroit. I think he'd definitely look for a "conditional" based on whether or not Howard re-signs. Solid framework for a deal though.
If you're looking for Sheahan I think you're going to have to take something else out, three firsts, our top prospect and our top pick from three years ago plus our starting goaltender is quite a high offering. I can't see another secondary piece going in to that. Seven players/picks for two guys, even if they are good, is a little unreasonable, especially since Vanek only has one year left on a contract. We'd need a guarantee he'd sign for at least seven years included in this package.

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Is there any combination of prospects/picks that could get it done?

What about something around Subban, Spooner and a 1st?

That could get it done.

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how long is peverley signed for?

He wouldnt be a bad 2-3rd c behind hodgson and ennis
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I'd do 2 1sts Koko and Spooner

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