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03-31-2013, 01:40 PM
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Rid might have been a poor choice of words. I just find him "easier" to be traded than Gionta, somehow. Maybe I'm dead wrong.

And, I know chances are slim that Galchenyuk's will be centering any lines again this year. I just would personally feel comfortable with that. I find he was better at center because he could use his vision to better effect.

Breathe.
And trading a top 6 center or your captain while you're 1st of your division, 2nd in the East, would just be retarded.

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Why is everyone so obsessed with Clowe... from all reports hes slowing down. . N being a bad skater will make him detrimental to the system. .. not to mention I wouldn't dream of trading a 2nd or a decent prospect for a slow declining tiugh guy with no goals...this obsession with him needs to relax

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03-31-2013, 01:43 PM
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Why is everyone so obsessed with Clowe... from all reports hes slowing down. . N being a bad skater will make him detrimental to the system. .. not to mention I wouldn't dream of trading a 2nd or a decent prospect for a slow declining tiugh guy with no goals...this obsession with him needs to relax
Change of scenery could help? I wonder why he is having such a tough season?

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What I do know however, is that for the first time since the days of Serge Savard, I have full confidence in the team's GM in place. He has yet to disappoint (me). I'll leave that in his hands to decide, one way or another. I trust that he'll do what's right for the team.
The same Serge Savard that dismantled the great teams from 86-89? Not being fooled by the surprise year of 1993, his ineptness laid the foundation for the even greater suckitude of Rejean Houle.

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Why is everyone so obsessed with Clowe... from all reports hes slowing down. . N being a bad skater will make him detrimental to the system. .. not to mention I wouldn't dream of trading a 2nd or a decent prospect for a slow declining tiugh guy with no goals...this obsession with him needs to relax
Well, he's a big body and has his use. There's also the possibility that he might just need a change of scenery, you never know.
Question is more if you're willing to take a chance on him. I would, but that depends on the asking price.

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Why is everyone so obsessed with Clowe... from all reports hes slowing down. . N being a bad skater will make him detrimental to the system. .. not to mention I wouldn't dream of trading a 2nd or a decent prospect for a slow declining tiugh guy with no goals...this obsession with him needs to relax
The guy has put up 45-65 points the past 4 years while being a huge physical presence and he's only 30. Pretty easy to see why he is intriguing to many fans. This year seems like an off year to me on an up and down San Jose team. That being said, I'd be reluctant to give a second and a prospect for him as this team is very deep up front. Would rather spend our excess assets on a physical d-man.

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His case is confusing. Why has he been doing gym work for a month and can't get on the ice? If he is having headaches he should be just resting...

The first part of the concussion protocol is rest with no symptoms.
Just speculating, but perhaps he's fine when he's at home and resting...and then when he comes to do any sort of physical activity in the gym and take the next step, the symptoms return?

Thinking of it, my final Clowe offer would be this:

- NSH 2nd - BUT, if it's top 40, we keep it and send them our own 2nd+our 3rd.
- 1 of the Ellis/Pateryn/Holland group of expendable prospects that will be in tough to ever crack our lineup.

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Well, he's a big body and has his use. There's also the possibility that he might just need a change of scenery, you never know.
Question is more if you're willing to take a chance on him. I would, but that depends on the asking price.
2nd and Morgan Ellis is what I'd offer. It's in line with the trades that have been made so far.

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Why is everyone so obsessed with Clowe... from all reports hes slowing down. . N being a bad skater will make him detrimental to the system. .. not to mention I wouldn't dream of trading a 2nd or a decent prospect for a slow declining tiugh guy with no goals...this obsession with him needs to relax
Yes some Ranger fans warned us about Prust too...Clowe and Prust. And then offseason add a real scrappy dman.

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Just speculating, but perhaps he's fine when he's at home and resting...and then when he comes to do any sort of physical activity in the gym and take he next step, the symptoms return?

Thinking of it, my final Clowe offer would be this:

- NSH 2nd - BUT, if it's top 40, we keep it and send them our own 2nd+our 3rd.
- 1 of the Ellis/Pateryn/Holland group of expendable prospects that will be in tough to ever crack our lineup.



Agree with this. A late 2nd and an average prospect. If they don't want it nothing lost, nothing gained. This team is not desperate for Clowe. Some cheap depth would be fine with me this deadline.

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Exactly I don't mind getting Clowe just not anything close to what some posters r willibg to give up for him

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Don't throw tomatoes at me but right now would be a good time as any to get Vinny. You arrange a deal so that Tampa takes half of the contract and you bring a veteran guy that has something to prove, still has talent and size. Vinny would also not have to carry the load as we're a winning team. And really it would sort of match with what Pittsburgh did as an upgrade for the playoffs(Vinny vs Iginla #2!). You put him on the first line between Max Pac and Gallagher.

The trade would be Desharnais and Bourque for Vinny. Bourque is injured but for Tampa it would be a rebuild statement of sort like Calgary so if you're them you take DD and run. Bourque would just be an added piece on the long run if he gets healthy. Anyway it would also adjust our roster better since the chances are Bourque would have had trouble finding a spot upon his return on our team anyway.

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I'd trade our 1st ++.

1st
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That'd be my max, but holy **** is he worth it.
Gio would be a great add. I would think you would have to offer a big package like our 1st, White, Diaz and Ellis or Dietz. It would be worth it though as Gio is great in all situations.

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when he was playing center, he was playing very sheltered minute. We cannot afford juggling 2 sheltered lines between DD and Chuckie. And at this point, I feel Chuckie just isn't as good as DD as a center. He needs to develop his game more. He has some very good moments and intentions, but... he never finishes.

Yet. He'll get there.
You make a good point, though at the same time Galchenuyk's sheltered minutes were happening, DD wasn't playing great. Could have been the Erik Cole effect, or could be that Galchenyuk's was benefitting from Gallagher as much as DD is right now...

The only thing for me, is that watching them all year, seeing them live only once so far, I felt like we were much too small at ice level. One of DD or Gionta needs to go as far as I'm concerned. People may differ.

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Andreas Engqvist doing great in the KHL. Anyone believe he could become a valuable & expandable asset for a potential trade?

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Just speculating, but perhaps he's fine when he's at home and resting...and then when he comes to do any sort of physical activity in the gym and take the next step, the symptoms return?

Thinking of it, my final Clowe offer would be this:

- NSH 2nd - BUT, if it's top 40, we keep it and send them our own 2nd+our 3rd.
- 1 of the Ellis/Pateryn/Holland group of expendable prospects that will be in tough to ever crack our lineup.
Then the gym work should stop if the symptoms return. From the tweets Diaz has been doing gym work for weeks and weeks.

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03-31-2013, 01:59 PM
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Yhea... "Get rid of Desharnais"

Not gonna happen dude. Talking out of your ass here.

And also unlikely is having Chuckie actually centering a line for now.
One or more of our small forwards are going to have to go sooner or later.
DD is one of the logical choices him being unidimensional but still retaining some trade value.
I'm thinking his being under contract is actually a bonus.
I've always felt it is easier to negotiate a trade with a signed player in today's NHL.
Timing is key as well as what comes back in return.
The Chuckie situation doesn't even enter into the equation. (He is not unidimensional)
He wouldn't be expected to fill a centering roll this year and perhaps not even next.
We do need to get him to top 6 status by 2015.
I wouldn't use the term getting rid of and DD in the same sentence he has value...
But if we could acquire a big strong proven second or even third line center with mentorship
skills on the D side, We should seriously consider it.
This is based on my belief that Pleks needs to stay put and Eller could easily take over DD's ice time.

Who could we possibly get for him?

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The same Serge Savard that dismantled the great teams from 86-89? Not being fooled by the surprise year of 1993, his ineptness laid the foundation for the even greater suckitude of Rejean Houle.

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One and a half decent players out of EIGHT!
Yes the same guy who got us Kirk Muller, and then Pierre Turgeon for an aging Muller, or Russ Courtnall for feu Kordic.

When Savard was gm, our organisation was relevant in the league. The team had clout. Something our actual gm is trying to get back.

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The most I would give for Clowe is MTL's 2nd + Leblanc + Ellis.

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Yes the same guy who got us Kirk Muller, and then Pierre Turgeon for an aging Muller, or Russ Courtnall for feu Kordic.

When Savard was gm, our organisation was relevant in the league. The team had clout. Something our actual gm is trying to get back.
or Vinnie Damphousse for Shane
Corson and Brian Bellows for peanuts.

The Chelios trade was notnhis doing. And his relationship with his boss went sour from then on. This is when Savard started to have more lucrative sidelines, let's just say.

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Don't throw tomatoes at me but right now would be a good time as any to get Vinny. You arrange a deal so that Tampa takes half of the contract and you bring a veteran guy that has something to prove, still has talent and size. Vinny would also not have to carry the load as we're a winning team. And really it would sort of match with what Pittsburgh did as an upgrade for the playoffs(Vinny vs Iginla #2!). You put him on the first line between Max Pac and Gallagher.

The trade would be Desharnais and Bourque for Vinny. Bourque is injured but for Tampa it would be a rebuild statement of sort like Calgary so if you're them you take DD and run. Bourque would just be an added piece on the long run if he gets healthy. Anyway it would also adjust our roster better since the chances are Bourque would have had trouble finding a spot upon his return on our team anyway.
No ****ing thanks to the guy that is signed until 19-20

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The most I would give for Clowe is MTL's 2nd + Leblanc + Ellis.
Only because you think Leblanc is a manlet.

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Most teams that go for the homerun don't win the cup. Just go for depth. That's key.

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No ****ing thanks to the guy that is signed until 19-20
What if Tampa fronts half of the salary?

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Only because you think Leblanc is a manlet.
I think he's a bust.

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