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03-31-2013, 11:54 AM
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Does the commentary really surprise people? When I heard this I was like... yeah, okay. Did you not just see his contribution to this play?

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03-31-2013, 12:01 PM
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Kulemin is an important part of this hockey team. As long as he digs on the boards and works hard I couldn't really care how much he is or isn't scoring. I kind of wish he wasn't used on the PK so much, he is a good defensive forward but his PK skills need work.

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03-31-2013, 12:07 PM
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kuli is what I would call a very underrated leader
Pitt fans loathed me when i told them a trade for Kuli would start with Maatta and their 1rst.

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03-31-2013, 02:23 PM
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Kulemin is underappreciated

Kulemin deserves some praise, even when he's not scoring, he's playing very good->great defense and he's the only leaf that somewhat, consistently wins board battles (besides perhaps Lupul of late). I cringe at the thought of trading him at the expense of being smaller. Even though we are seen as somewhat of a physical force around league circles, I think we could still use one more big body to take us over the top (Clowe comes to mind).

While his 30G season may have been an anomaly, he's one of those guys that shouldn't have their worth predicated purely on numbers.

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03-31-2013, 02:26 PM
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I doubt he's under appreciated by the fans, its only cbc who are idiots

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03-31-2013, 02:27 PM
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If you want to play a fun game, try talking about Kulemin with casual Leaf fans and see how long you can go before you pull your hair out.

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03-31-2013, 02:28 PM
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I look forward to reading about it in the Toronto papers in a couple of days.

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we leafs fans or most of us knows what this guy does for this team on a nightly basis, him and jay are our hardest working guys on the team.

Kulies Positive's
Skating
shooting
hardwork
backchecking
active stick
Strong on the puck
On ice awareness


Negative's
stick handling

Needs to drive the net more

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03-31-2013, 02:57 PM
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Kulemin will always be under appreciated, until people quit the notion that he can repeat that 30 goal season. He's a solid 2 way player that plays hard every shift, however lacks offensive finish. It's funny how so many thinks he sucks, but every team wants him. He can/will flourish with Tor, if he plays to his strengths, which is exactly what Carlyle wants out of him.

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Those 3 together is probably the closet thing we have to a perfect line.

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On the team:

Kulemin is tied for 2nd. in even strength points with Kessel.

Kessel gets 2 more minutes of even strength ice time per game.

Kulemin and McClement are the two key forwards on the PK.

I think Kulemin pulls his weight, and professionals in hockey would know that.


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03-31-2013, 04:56 PM
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Either he wasn't paying attention or he didn't choose his words so wisely because Kulemin played a huge part in that goal...and has been a huge part to that line in general. The guy is a workhorse and he may not have the goals to show for it, but Kulemin does all of the little things needed to make those kind of plays possible. There's a reason why Carlyle loves him and praises him - he deserves every bit of it and it's a shame that so many people get caught up with the expectation of him nearing his 30 goal year production that they either can't or don't want to appreciate why he's such a solid player.

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03-31-2013, 10:06 PM
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If you want to play a fun game, try talking about Kulemin with casual Leaf fans and see how long you can go before you pull your hair out.
Most of the media fits this casual fan mold as well. They are so clueless as to how important he is. Nonis would be wise to keep him on for this playoff push.

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04-01-2013, 08:02 AM
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Most of the media fits this casual fan mold as well. They are so clueless as to how important he is. Nonis would be wise to keep him on for this playoff push.
Yup. I was watching the game with 4 or 5 of my friends who watch hockey but don't analyze it deeply like any of us would and when Kadri got the hat trick they were all laughing and scoffing at how Kulemin is doing nothing except boost his +/-. I didn't say anything but a part of me just wanted to be like, "top 10 in blocked shots, on pace for 45 points, our best board worker, key cog on the PK. shut up."

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Yup. I was watching the game with 4 or 5 of my friends who watch hockey but don't analyze it deeply like any of us would and when Kadri got the hat trick they were all laughing and scoffing at how Kulemin is doing nothing except boost his +/-. I didn't say anything but a part of me just wanted to be like, "top 10 in blocked shots, on pace for 45 points, our best board worker, key cog on the PK. shut up."
so why didn't you say anything? Cause all your points were 100% valid!!
Kuli has been amazing... Some people that only look at points are a complete mess.. How many people on one roster can put up huge stats only so many goals to go around and the Leafs are doing their offensive share...

PK, forecheck, speed, defensive play, great shot, fancy empty net breakaways for his cap hit... this shouldn't even be a debate

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04-01-2013, 08:13 AM
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we leafs fans or most of us knows what this guy does for this team on a nightly basis, him and jay are our hardest working guys on the team.

Kulies Positive's
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Strong on the puck
On ice awareness


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Needs to drive the net more
Biggist positive = PK ability

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04-01-2013, 08:17 AM
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Funny I suggested this line when Lupul came back and for Kule to specifically be put on this line..
What's funny about it? It was the obvious thing to do.

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04-01-2013, 08:32 AM
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the way i see it mclemment + kulemin is a huge reason why our pk is respectable. no one thinks mclemment is uselss because he doesnt put up points even when he plays second line minutes with grabovski, why should kulemin be different.

any offense out of kulemin is gravy imo. his value is in his defensive ability. if he wouldnt have had that huge year a few seasons ago everyone would still think he is the bees knees. most people recognized that, that kind of production was the exception, not the norm.

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04-01-2013, 08:37 AM
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so why didn't you say anything? Cause all your points were 100% valid!!
Because no one likes that guy at the party who starts spewing numbers and analysis that's too detailed for the casual observer.

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What's funny about it? It was the obvious thing to do.
Might just be me, but I find people tooting their own horns the opposite of funny.

Anyways, I still wear my Kulemin jersey with pride, Nonis is surely smart enough to know that Kulemin is not a dime a dozen player. IF traded, he will have a hard time replacing him, and I can tell you Carlyle likely won't be a very happy camper.

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04-01-2013, 08:45 AM
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Kulemin deserves 90% of the credit on that goal.

It's his one man effort that allows Kadri/Lupul to even get into the zone, he causes the turnover that prevents the Sens from getting the puck out, he out-muscles Turris and tips the puck to Lupul. He did almost all the work.


The problem is the guys on CBC don't know a damn thing.


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What's funny about it? It was the obvious thing to do.
Did you miss the memo here? Grabo was playing with a black hole in Kule. Obvious my foot.

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I loved that moment. Simpson says Kulemin is "just along for the ride" and then they show a video of him battling in the corner, preventing the puck from leaving the zone (amazing play) and setting up the goal. What a moron. That was my mute moment.

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Did you miss the memo here? Grabo was playing with a black hole in Kule. Obvious my foot.
Memo?

It was him or Mac, but the line didn't need Mac's finish, they needed Kulemin's boardwork.

Seemed obvious to me.

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After I watched him play live in a game last month, I've appreciated him even more. I wouldn't trade him unless it was for a truly massive overpayment. He is the sort of player that helps teams win.

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