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03-31-2013, 02:46 PM
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Rangers need to build around.

Goalies - Hank
Forwards - Nash, Stepan, Kreider, Hagelin, Miller, Callahan
Defensemen - Mcd, Staal, Mdz.

I would trade anyone else.

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Agree with this list, but for Stralman. Unless you're getting a RH D-man back, you can't move him.

Also, as regards the MDZ/Girardi debate, it's pointless until Staal proves he's healthy. At some point when he is healthy, you will need to move someone and while I agree that MDZ is a better asset to keep, again, we have the issue of LH/RH Dmen. Until one of them proves that they can play the right side or the team acquires at least one more (preferably two) top-4 RH Dmen, you have to move one of the LH triumverate before you move Girardi.
Agreed. As someone already pointed out, it would cause controversy and the back end.

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03-31-2013, 02:49 PM
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Rangers need to build around.

Goalies - Hank
Forwards - Nash, Stepan, Kreider, Hagelin, Miller, Callahan
Defensemen - Mcd, Staal, Mdz.

I would trade anyone else.
you would trade Girardi?? i would only trade Girardi if Rangers got a top 3 draft pick in a deep draft....or a really skilled young forward like E.Kane

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bc why would you trade Kreider, Miller, Stepan, Hags, Mcd Staal DZ when they are all under the age of 25 and are only going to improve, none are even in prime years yet, so we truely dont even know their tru potential yet I get your point but still the right price would have to blow us away to trade them.. success isnt like a light switch it takes time and patients.. we arent going to get better if we keep trading assests.. look how nash trade set us back.. everyone undervalued what dubi and aa meant to this team.. SO many people are impatient here its ridiculous.. I am glad some of you arent GMs bc wed be a lottery pick every year or making the big splashes in FA or making trades for best players.. you'd all be slats 2.0, which are prob the same people that criticize him..makes it even worse!!.. Consistency is the hardest thing for a pro athlete.. but when you add that to a young group it will be up and down.. we DONT NEED DRASTIC MEASURES!! it will not help us.. it.. will only set us back.. we made our splash.. Minor Tweaks, small trades, trade to get depth guys.. trim the fat!! buyout richards in 14' no use this summer noone else is available.. 14' much better class more room to make moves..
Agreed though hurting with the slats 2.0 remark

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03-31-2013, 02:50 PM
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Curious question: When Gartner was traded at the deadline, was there a concern that the Rangers' chemistry would be disturbed?
Not really as Gartner really wasn't playing a lot (Keenan never liked him). Also, the guy they got for him was an Edmonton guy who had played with Messier, Lowe, MacTavish, Tikkanen and Beukeboom.

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you would trade Girardi?? i would only trade Girardi if Rangers got a top 3 draft pick in a deep draft....or a really skilled young forward like E.Kane
lol @ Girardi getting E.Kane.

I would trade Girardi yes I dont believe he's part of the "core" I believe the guys I listed are. That doesn't mean I would give Girardi away.

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Rangers need to build around.

Goalies - Hank
Forwards - Nash, Stepan, Kreider, Hagelin, Miller, Callahan
Defensemen - Mcd, Staal, Mdz.

I would trade anyone else.
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you would trade Girardi?? i would only trade Girardi if Rangers got a top 3 draft pick in a deep draft....or a really skilled young forward like E.Kane
To be honest I wouldn't trade Girardi unless we get a RH d-man to fill the void somewhere.

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03-31-2013, 04:02 PM
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Rangers are in the ****hole right now and the trade deadline is blooming. Who would you get rid of?

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Arron Asham
Brian Boyle
Marion Gaborik (depending on value)
Taylor Pyatt
Brad Richards (depending on value)
Steve Eminger
Matt Gilroy
Anton Stralman
Martin Biron

The above list shows some players that really haven't done all that much (if any at all). Pyatt and Boyle have done absolutely squat this year and could receive some interest. Eminger has been showing defense lately, Gilroy is Gilroy, and Stralman is in a slump although I'd like to keep Stralzy. Asham is good on the 4th line so I'm 50/50. I hope they don't trade Gabbs at the deadline, but he's on the market so I had to throw his name in the hat and Richards is startng to gain some momentum, but not much. Don't really like Biron. Never have.
boyle can fetch something decent. Pyatt maybe a 3rd rndr. Eminger just let him walk. Gilroy let him walk. Stralman an,maybe 2nd if lucky. Biron,maybe 3rd

Gaborik top6 fwd,1st rounder and mid level prospect

Richards is stuck with NYr for at least 2-3 more years

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03-31-2013, 04:13 PM
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Rangers need to build around.

Goalies - Hank
Forwards - Nash, Stepan, Kreider, Hagelin, Miller, Callahan
Defensemen - Mcd, Staal, Mdz.

I would trade anyone else.
id include girardi.. hes irreplaciable.. top 4 RHD are hard to find.. its always a huge assets around the league.. hes long term..

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id include girardi.. hes irreplaciable.. top 4 RHD are hard to find.. its always a huge assets around the league.. hes long term..
well someone on the main board said he would want Girardi + a pick for Loui Eriksson, I guess since then I'd trade Girardi.

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well someone on the main board said he would want Girardi + a pick for Loui Eriksson, I guess since then I'd trade Girardi.
haha well under the right circumstance then ofcourse!!

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Id move G at the deadline for a roster RHD or high prospect and a first rounder in a heart beat . Asset mgmt for teams on the bubble Sell high . Girardi although an ironman was never fleet of foot , never had a great shot or vision . He is what he is a super rock solid strong RHD . The type of player that a team ready to win just might overpay with a good young player and a first rounder for . But many people think otherwise and I respect that . I will also hear the " not waste Henrik's prime years " argument which in reality until we get 6-9 forwards with some offensive ability and a couple Dmen who can shoot may never bear fruit .

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no way you move him.. hes to valuable.. top pairing RD's are way to hard to come by in this league.. if any d is moved it will be DZ, but i doubt hes moved.. only way they are moved is if we cant afford to keep all of them.. bc there salary demands.. but honestly we wont have to worry about that for at least another season or 2.. i think the core can stay together long term..

and to the list.. id consider moving all of them.. Richard is a no go tho.. will be bought out in 14'..

Gaborik i'd def consider moving for a good package.. 1st, prospect with high upside, young fw top 6/top 4 d with potential..

and the rest prob dont have the most value to get something decent back accept pending UFAs and late round picks..

i want to see McIrath up here to get a few games, cant be any worse then Stralman, Eminger (whos been solid, considering) hams, gilroy etc.... has anyone heard/seen how hes playing? you think hes close?
I'm excited to see what McIlrath can bring here but not to replace Stralman. I really like Strals. I agree what you said about Gaborik, and you're right, Girardi does have value and the fact that he's a top pairing RD might make him even more valuable to other teams.

But again, I'm not advocating trading him, but for the sake of the thread I'd entertain the idea if it were to bring us back a nice piece or two to help the club.

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03-31-2013, 05:03 PM
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Rangers need to build around.

Goalies - Hank
Forwards - Nash, Stepan, Kreider, Hagelin, Miller, Callahan
Defensemen - Mcd, Staal, Mdz.

I would trade anyone else.
No Giradi? Oh yeah,he sucks he wasn't a draft pick

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No Giradi? Oh yeah,he sucks he wasn't a draft pick
As stated before, I wouldn't give him away obviously, it would have to be a strong return. I just don't think he's part of the "core"

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Or minor deals at the least.
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So where are the Rangers going to get good young scoring from then if everyone is afraid of ever trading from a position of strength to address a weakness . Last time I checked the last few years high reg season and playoffs the Inability to score both at even strength and especially on the PP has been the biggest problem with the team . As much as a RHD is a commodity the way I see it the NYR are about 2 centers and 3 solid wings away from competing with the elite of the league .

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No Giradi? Oh yeah,he sucks he wasn't a draft pick
He didn't say "Girardi sucks". He just said the Rangers shouldn't build around him.

Which isn't a terrible opinion at all. Girardi is good player and a warrior, but he's a noticeably flawed player. He's prone to turnovers and is a terrible puck mover. He's going to want 5M+ as a UFA, and frankly, he's not worth that much. Aside from last year, he has been a #3 caliber defenseman. We already have Del Zotto, McDonagh, and Staal, who also needs to be re-signed the year after Girardi is a UFA. Staal is better than Girardi, and younger, so he should be more of a priority.

I'd definitely shop Girardi at the draft if I were the Rangers. Try and get a young centerman from a team looking for a defenseman. Problem is, not many teams have expendable centers. Maybe to Edmonton for one of Yakupov or Gagner. Doubt we could get Yakupov, though.

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I know I'm going to get flamed for saying this, but I'd move Girardi for the right price. He's a great D-man and I love the guy, but I think his value right now is worth more than his recent play.
So would I, but if he's moved we better be get another guy to take his place, "trade Gaborik?"

Another rookie in McIlrath taking over a veterans role is a mistake.

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Ryan Clowe for a 1st + top prospect

Rangers shouldn't make any moves at the deadline. We're not good enough anyway even if we make moves.
I would love Clowe here but not for anything more than a roster player like Boyle and maybe a low rated prospect. Like you say, we really aren't good enough anyway.

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He didn't say "Girardi sucks". He just said the Rangers shouldn't build around him.

Which isn't a terrible opinion at all. Girardi is good player and a warrior, but he's a noticeably flawed player. He's prone to turnovers and is a terrible puck mover. He's going to want 5M+ as a UFA, and frankly, he's not worth that much. Aside from last year, he has been a #3 caliber defenseman. We already have Del Zotto, McDonagh, and Staal, who also needs to be re-signed the year after Girardi is a UFA. Staal is better than Girardi, and younger, so he should be more of a priority.
I've been saying this for 2 years now . The guy is a stud and for a team like te NYR right now who are not built to win now whether you choose to admit it or not it might be a great chip to get a younger / cheaper / more offensive defensemen and perhaps a would offensive prospect and or pick or roster player . In the old pre salary cap NHL the NYR would just buy more talent and pay G . Now every few years you have to move and re stock the kitchen with cheaper assets that can offer similar production

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He didn't say "Girardi sucks". He just said the Rangers shouldn't build around him.

Which isn't a terrible opinion at all. Girardi is good player and a warrior, but he's a noticeably flawed player. He's prone to turnovers and is a terrible puck mover. He's going to want 5M+ as a UFA, and frankly, he's not worth that much. Aside from last year, he has been a #3 caliber defenseman. We already have Del Zotto, McDonagh, and Staal, who also needs to be re-signed the year after Girardi is a UFA. Staal is better than Girardi, and younger, so he should be more of a priority.
Ok, the logic is sound, who do you replace him with?

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So would I, but if he's moved we better be get another guy to take his place, "trade Gaborik?"

Another rookie in McIlrath taking over a veterans role is a mistake.
Why ? Where are the NYR going ? Honestly ? And Staal probably out for season . Nowhere fast . The team can't score 2 goals a night and go periods heck GAMES without scoring .

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He didn't say "Girardi sucks". He just said the Rangers shouldn't build around him.

Which isn't a terrible opinion at all. Girardi is good player and a warrior, but he's a noticeably flawed player. He's prone to turnovers and is a terrible puck mover. He's going to want 5M+ as a UFA, and frankly, he's not worth that much. Aside from last year, he has been a #3 caliber defenseman. We already have Del Zotto, McDonagh, and Staal, who also needs to be re-signed the year after Girardi is a UFA. Staal is better than Girardi, and younger, so he should be more of a priority.

I'd definitely shop Girardi at the draft if I were the Rangers. Try and get a young centerman from a team looking for a defenseman. Problem is, not many teams have expendable centers. Maybe to Edmonton for one of Yakupov or Gagner. Doubt we could get Yakupov, though.
Isn't Yak a RW though?

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Ok, the logic is sound, who do you replace him with?
You could probably get a vet #4 defenseman on a 1 year contract if Girardi is traded, along with a young forward. Or we could sign a defenseman like Ian White as a transitional player. Hopefully McIlrath can make the team next year and work his way into Girardi's spot by 2014.

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