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What would be better?

View Poll Results: What Would be better?
Trolling the Pens again 31 34.83%
Top 5 pick in 2013 draft 58 65.17%
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03-31-2013, 05:03 PM
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Yeah at this rate we will never win a cup again. Fans who say tanking is for fake fans or whatever get over yourself. Almost every single team that won in the last 2 decades got their top players from high draft picks. We will never win a cup again if were just barely making the playoffs. tT the end of the day it doesnt matter if you make playoffs every year or suck for 7 years and get good picks, cup> no cup.

Which would you rather?

Lemieux, Jagr, Crosby & Malkin and 3 cups or

Make the playoffs most years and no cups?

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03-31-2013, 05:50 PM
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Yeah at this rate we will never win a cup again. Fans who say tanking is for fake fans or whatever get over yourself. Almost every single team that won in the last 2 decades got their top players from high draft picks. We will never win a cup again if were just barely making the playoffs. tT the end of the day it doesnt matter if you make playoffs every year or suck for 7 years and get good picks, cup> no cup.

Which would you rather?

Lemieux, Jagr, Crosby & Malkin and 3 cups or

Make the playoffs most years and no cups?
2012 Kings: Kopitar - 11th overall
Brown - 13th overall
Doughty - 2nd overall
Quick - 72nd overall
Lewis - 17th overall
Nolan - 186th overall
King - 109th overall
Martinez -95th overall
Clifford - 35th overall
Voynov - 32nd overall

Williams, Richards, Carter, Johnson, Mitchell, Stoll, Gagne, Penner, Greene - Not drafted by Kings

2011 Bruins - Lucic - 50th overall
Krejci -63rd overall
Bergeron - 45th overall
Marchand - 71st overall

Horton, Chara, Recchi, Thomas, Ryder, Seidenberg,Campbell, Boychuk, Mcqiad, Ference, Paille, Kaberle, Peverley, Kelly - Not drafted by Boston

2010 Hawks - Kane - 1st overall
Keith - 54th overall
Toews - 3rd overall
Seabrook - 14th overall
Brouwer - 214th overall
Byfuglien - 245th overall
Hjalmarsson - 108th overall
Burish - 282nd overall

Niemi, Sharp, Hossa, Versteeg, Ladd, Campbell, Madden, Kopecky, Sopel - Not drafted by hawks

2009 Pens - Crosby -1st
Fleury - 1st
Malkin - 2nd
Staal - 2nd
Scuderi - 134th
Orpik -18th
Kennedy - 99th overall
Letang -62nd
Talbot - 234th

Sykora,Fedotenko,Satan,Cooke,Dupuis,Gonchar,Kunitz ,Guerin,Gill, Eaton,Adams - Not drafted by Pens

2008 Wings
Kronwall - 29th - Only Wings first rounder on the entire roster. rest are late round picks or players the wings did not draft


Soo yes, the pens tanked for years, almost had to relocate, stock piled on high draft picks and won the cup - the hawks got two of their best players in the top 5, after being miserable for years

other than that, its pretty clear that you are wrong. teams build cup contenders through trades, free agency, and players that are NOT top 5 picks

i dont feel like going any further, but i would imagine if i did, it would prove you even more wrong. sorry buddy

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03-31-2013, 06:01 PM
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2012 Kings: Kopitar - 11th overall
Brown - 13th overall
Doughty - 2nd overall
Quick - 72nd overall
Lewis - 17th overall
Nolan - 186th overall
King - 109th overall
Martinez -95th overall
Clifford - 35th overall
Voynov - 32nd overall

Williams, Richards, Carter, Johnson, Mitchell, Stoll, Gagne, Penner, Greene - Not drafted by Kings

2011 Bruins - Lucic - 50th overall
Krejci -63rd overall
Bergeron - 45th overall
Marchand - 71st overall

Horton, Chara, Recchi, Thomas, Ryder, Seidenberg,Campbell, Boychuk, Mcqiad, Ference, Paille, Kaberle, Peverley, Kelly - Not drafted by Boston

2010 Hawks - Kane - 1st overall
Keith - 54th overall
Toews - 3rd overall
Seabrook - 14th overall
Brouwer - 214th overall
Byfuglien - 245th overall
Hjalmarsson - 108th overall
Burish - 282nd overall

Niemi, Sharp, Hossa, Versteeg, Ladd, Campbell, Madden, Kopecky, Sopel - Not drafted by hawks

2009 Pens - Crosby -1st
Fleury - 1st
Malkin - 2nd
Staal - 2nd
Scuderi - 134th
Orpik -18th
Kennedy - 99th overall
Letang -62nd
Talbot - 234th

Sykora,Fedotenko,Satan,Cooke,Dupuis,Gonchar,Kunitz ,Guerin,Gill, Eaton,Adams - Not drafted by Pens

2008 Wings
Kronwall - 29th - Only Wings first rounder on the entire roster. rest are late round picks or players the wings did not draft


Soo yes, the pens tanked for years, almost had to relocate, stock piled on high draft picks and won the cup - the hawks got two of their best players in the top 5, after being miserable for years

other than that, its pretty clear that you are wrong. teams build cup contenders through trades, free agency, and players that are NOT top 5 picks

i dont feel like going any further, but i would imagine if i did, it would prove you even more wrong. sorry buddy
You forgot Seguin (2nd overall) for the Bruins. Even though he was somewhat lackluster during the regular season, he played well for them during the playoffs that year.

At the very least, this list shows that each team has had one year where they either earned or traded for a top 5 pick. Not saying you need to be terrible for multiple years in a row, but having an off year and securing a high draft pick does pay dividends for a team.

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03-31-2013, 06:37 PM
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2012 Kings: Kopitar - 11th overall
Brown - 13th overall
Doughty - 2nd overall
Quick - 72nd overall
Lewis - 17th overall
Nolan - 186th overall
King - 109th overall
Martinez -95th overall
Clifford - 35th overall
Voynov - 32nd overall

Williams, Richards, Carter, Johnson, Mitchell, Stoll, Gagne, Penner, Greene - Not drafted by Kings

2011 Bruins - Lucic - 50th overall
Krejci -63rd overall
Bergeron - 45th overall
Marchand - 71st overall

Horton, Chara, Recchi, Thomas, Ryder, Seidenberg,Campbell, Boychuk, Mcqiad, Ference, Paille, Kaberle, Peverley, Kelly - Not drafted by Boston

2010 Hawks - Kane - 1st overall
Keith - 54th overall
Toews - 3rd overall
Seabrook - 14th overall
Brouwer - 214th overall
Byfuglien - 245th overall
Hjalmarsson - 108th overall
Burish - 282nd overall

Niemi, Sharp, Hossa, Versteeg, Ladd, Campbell, Madden, Kopecky, Sopel - Not drafted by hawks

2009 Pens - Crosby -1st
Fleury - 1st
Malkin - 2nd
Staal - 2nd
Scuderi - 134th
Orpik -18th
Kennedy - 99th overall
Letang -62nd
Talbot - 234th

Sykora,Fedotenko,Satan,Cooke,Dupuis,Gonchar,Kunitz ,Guerin,Gill, Eaton,Adams - Not drafted by Pens

2008 Wings
Kronwall - 29th - Only Wings first rounder on the entire roster. rest are late round picks or players the wings did not draft


Soo yes, the pens tanked for years, almost had to relocate, stock piled on high draft picks and won the cup - the hawks got two of their best players in the top 5, after being miserable for years

other than that, its pretty clear that you are wrong. teams build cup contenders through trades, free agency, and players that are NOT top 5 picks

i dont feel like going any further, but i would imagine if i did, it would prove you even more wrong. sorry buddy
Great job at hiding the facts and skewing everything in your favor.

Kings:

2007 4th Overall
2008 2nd Overall
2009 5th Overall

Blackhawks:

2004 3rd Overall
2005 7th Overall
2006 3rd Overall
2007 1st Overall

Bruins although lest relavent drafted 5th in 06 and 2nd in 2010. Its already been shown that The Red Wings success started after their string of consecutive lottery picks years back. It doesnt matter if you trade these lottery picks for better pieces (and picks these high would garner a great return), the fact is all these teams had success weather immediately or later on directly due to their draft picks. Bruins were the odd ones out but tell me how many teams manage to draft marchand, Lucic, bergeron and krecji caliber players in the late 2nd and 3rd rounds not named detroit?

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03-31-2013, 07:14 PM
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Is the premise of the Pens option that we would lose in Rd. 2? Otherwise, it seems a silly question.

If presented with a choice between a guaranteed top pick or a guaranteed 2nd round exit, I will take the pick.

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03-31-2013, 07:39 PM
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Great job at hiding the facts and skewing everything in your favor.

Kings:

2007 4th Overall
2008 2nd Overall
2009 5th Overall

Blackhawks:

2004 3rd Overall
2005 7th Overall
2006 3rd Overall
2007 1st Overall

Bruins although lest relavent drafted 5th in 06 and 2nd in 2010. Its already been shown that The Red Wings success started after their string of consecutive lottery picks years back. It doesnt matter if you trade these lottery picks for better pieces (and picks these high would garner a great return), the fact is all these teams had success weather immediately or later on directly due to their draft picks. Bruins were the odd ones out but tell me how many teams manage to draft marchand, Lucic, bergeron and krecji caliber players in the late 2nd and 3rd rounds not named detroit?
You can even go back further than this. The Hurricanes had the #2 pick in 2003 (Eric Staal), The Stars had #1 in Mike Modano back in 88, The Quebec Nordiques had 3 #1 picks in a row before relocating to Colorado and winning two Cups. The Devils had the #3 in 1991 to get Niedermayer, and the #2 in 1987 with which they got Shanahan who they turned into Scott Stevens. Tampa Bay had the #1 in 1998 and got Lecavalier.

The key is getting a high draft pick or picks, but also the draft has to be adequate. When we had the #2 pick, it was JVR in a weak draft. If it had had the calibre of the 2003 draft, we'd have had Staal. Or 2004, Malkin, 2005 Bobby Ryan, 2006 Staal or Toews, etc. Of all the years we stink, we lost the lottery and it is a weak draft. So the key is stinking in the right year.

But overall, it can be seen that in almost every year since 1995 the team that won had a very high draft pick that was crucial to the success of the team either as a player or through whom other players were acquired.

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