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03-28-2013, 12:32 PM
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I think Jarmo is saying to himself are these guys as good as that recent 8-0-4 stretch or are they more like before and after? I'm thinking they aren't as good as recently shown, nor as bad as they started.

Overall I think we need to add offense for next year. CAM's & Calvert's performance last night notwithstanding, I just don't see us being a real good team until we add some guys we can count on for 25-30 goals and who can create some of their own chances rather than just slapping in a well guided rebound.

I am concerned that with 12-13 guys signed for next year, there is no room to add players through free agency although trades are always a possibility.

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I think Jarmo is saying to himself are these guys as good as that recent 8-0-4 stretch or are they more like before and after? I'm thinking they aren't as good as recently shown, nor as bad as they started.

Overall I think we need to add offense for next year. CAM's & Calvert's performance last night notwithstanding, I just don't see us being a real good team until we add some guys we can count on for 25-30 goals and who can create some of their own chances rather than just slapping in a well guided rebound.

I am concerned that with 12-13 guys signed for next year, there is no room to add players through free agency although trades are always a possibility.
I'm not concerned with this "room" issue. I'll believe its a problem when we actually have a problem with it, in which case waivers/trade will take care of it. But more likely injuries will pop up and it won't be an issue.

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I think Jarmo is saying to himself are these guys as good as that recent 8-0-4 stretch or are they more like before and after? I'm thinking they aren't as good as recently shown, nor as bad as they started.

Overall I think we need to add offense for next year. CAM's & Calvert's performance last night notwithstanding, I just don't see us being a real good team until we add some guys we can count on for 25-30 goals and who can create some of their own chances rather than just slapping in a well guided rebound.

I am concerned that with 12-13 guys signed for next year, there is no room to add players through free agency although trades are always a possibility.
The FA group isn't that good anyway. Not much upgrade if at all. Few guys make it but they are going to get PAID.

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I think Jarmo is saying to himself are these guys as good as that recent 8-0-4 stretch or are they more like before and after? I'm thinking they aren't as good as recently shown, nor as bad as they started.

Overall I think we need to add offense for next year. CAM's & Calvert's performance last night notwithstanding, I just don't see us being a real good team until we add some guys we can count on for 25-30 goals and who can create some of their own chances rather than just slapping in a well guided rebound.

I am concerned that with 12-13 guys signed for next year, there is no room to add players through free agency although trades are always a possibility.
I think Jarmo is making evaluations of individual and group play and dynamics irrespective of whether the team wins or loses. Of course, the way a team wins or loses can play into that evaluation, but I don't think 8-0-4 or 0-3 make a whole lot of difference in the grand scheme.

There are certainly questions regarding the roster and who might be on or or could be added to it. The team could certainly use a player who slots in the top 6, whether that be a high draft pick or free agent or via trade.

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We're still in the mix, but this road trip has definitely hurt our chances. With the deadline looming, do you think Jarmo will be content to let this season continue to play out?

The streak turned the season around for a couple of weeks, but the reality of this team before the streak and perhaps now, on this road trip, is that they are unlikely to make the playoffs. JK seems like an aggressive guy (or wait, is it arrogant? ), the opposite of Howson in that he won't wait around on things. If he's going to make a call on this season I think it's not unlikely that he decides we are sellers and starts making deadline moves. The potential Letestu extension may be a prelude to that.

Tomorrow's game will provide more clarity. If we lose, I think we see some trades.

But I have no idea what they might be, aside from the obvious Aucoin deal.
I think he'd be foolish to be anything other than a seller at this point. The remaining schedule is too much. We needed to make up ground this week and instead we've fallen behind. I don't think tonight's game is enough to go the other direction or even to hold out. I think Jarmo has to start moving forward with whatever plan he's put in place for a seller scenario (and I'm sure there is such a plan). I'll be interested to see what happens with a guy like Brassard and a few others. I don't expect a great deal of movement and I think we might be better served given the type of players we are likely to trade, to either get prospects or young roster players--I don't think we'll see another first round pick added unless JK surprises me by trading Prospal. We'll acquire veterans in free agency or in trades over the summer and I view most picks beyond the first round to be of less value than prospects.

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Brassard to Anaheim for? Guys from Ducks thread told something like 1. round, Beleskey, Smith-Pelley. What do u think about it?

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I could see something like that going down.

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Per one of today's Dispatch stories, the front office seems to think that there's an emerging third category at the trade deadline outside of "buyer" and "seller", of which we are a part - "opportunist." Or, IOW, not doing much at the deadline but potentially taking advantage of the desperate if possible.

Which makes sense to me, because I think about two thirds of the West would fit easily into that category.

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Brassard to Anaheim for? Guys from Ducks thread told something like 1. round, Beleskey, Smith-Pelley. What do u think about it?
I don't know much about those 2 players, but I would do it because of the first round pick.

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Brassard to Anaheim for? Guys from Ducks thread told something like 1. round, Beleskey, Smith-Pelley. What do u think about it?
Both Smith-Pelley and Beleskey could top out as 3rd line grinders. Beleskey skates worse than David Savard. Think Boll/Dorsett types if they reach their potential.

The Ducks 1st will likely fall between 26-30.

I wouldn't give up Brassard for grit and a low probability pick.

I like grit, but I also like speed and some scoring potential.

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Brassard straight across for Emerson Etem gets that deal done for me. That, or their first round pick and a secondary prospect ... I don't think we need to over-value Derick Brassard.

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Per one of today's Dispatch stories, the front office seems to think that there's an emerging third category at the trade deadline outside of "buyer" and "seller", of which we are a part - "opportunist." Or, IOW, not doing much at the deadline but potentially taking advantage of the desperate if possible.

Which makes sense to me, because I think about two thirds of the West would fit easily into that category.
Thanks! I can't access the Dispatch anymore.

that third category also makes sense somewhat with this team. It's hard to know who to move because almost everyone has been contributing

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Both Smith-Pelley and Beleskey could top out as 3rd line grinders. Beleskey skates worse than David Savard. Think Boll/Dorsett types if they reach their potential.

The Ducks 1st will likely fall between 26-30.

I wouldn't give up Brassard for grit and a low probability pick.

I like grit, but I also like speed and some scoring potential.
If that's the best offer we get for Brassard, I'd do it. I'm not excited about Beleskey, but Smith-Pelley could easily end up better than Dorsett. Have folks soured on him though? Smith-Pelley's scouting reports look good.

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Per one of today's Dispatch stories, the front office seems to think that there's an emerging third category at the trade deadline outside of "buyer" and "seller", of which we are a part - "opportunist." Or, IOW, not doing much at the deadline but potentially taking advantage of the desperate if possible.

Which makes sense to me, because I think about two thirds of the West would fit easily into that category.
Allow a little self-congratulating... but if you don't parse JD's words or read anything into it, an if you read Portzline's words the same way... this is exactly what I've been saying.

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I would trade Brassard for a first without a doubt. People shouldn't get a hang up about it being a late first pick either. Firstly it. creates a lot of extra options for trading up. Secondly I would never assume any side will make it out of the first round. If Anaheim loses, a pick at 21 or 22 could snare a decent guy.

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I' m not sure a first for Brassard is anything more than a lateral move at best. Basically you're hoping that the pick becomes, in a couple of years, what Brass is now. Not every first rounder is a top line player. Certainly not right away.

Brassard has not become the player everyone wanted him to be. But that doesn't mean he needs to go for whatever offer comes up. This team is offensively challenged and like it or not will continue to be until such time as prospects/ draft picks have the time to develop. He has skills this team needs. I am not opposed to trading him but I would expect that we would get a player (winger) that can match his production or a couple (prospect/pick) that offer a reasonable chance to surpass him.

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I' m not sure a first for Brassard is anything more than a lateral move at best. Basically you're hoping that the pick becomes, in a couple of years, what Brass is now. Not every first rounder is a top line player. Certainly not right away.

Brassard has not become the player everyone wanted him to be. But that doesn't mean he needs to go for whatever offer comes up. This team is offensively challenged and like it or not will continue to be until such time as prospects/ draft picks have the time to develop. He has skills this team needs. I am not opposed to trading him but I would expect that we would get a player (winger) that can match his production or a couple (prospect/pick) that offer a reasonable chance to surpass him.
I think what's most attractive about it is a chance to start over and do things the right way. Plenty of good players are found in that 20-30 range, and even if it only gets us another player like Brassard, it may be addition by subtraction, as getting rid of his salary may help us move in a different direction this summer. It allows us to grow with an entire fresh crop of youngsters, and Brassard is really a guy that we have little use for right now, as he isn't being used to his full potential ... he needs scoring wingers to be at his best, and we simply aren't stocked up with those guys.

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I would trade Brass for a 1st or a 2nd and a good upside prospect...he needs a change and we need something for him...I like Brass, but not attached to him and if we get Mack in the draft we would then have 3 strong centers with Mack, Joey, and AA to spread out and run 3 scoring lines...

My biggest draw back with Brass has always been how he gets knocked off the puck easily. That style doesn't fit in with the new direction for this team. His vision and passing ability are great, much like Vermette's was. But its just not working here...time to get something for him

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I am not opposed to trading him, agree with most of the reasons stated. But again, given he is our third leading scorer, it is essential his trade nets a good return. He doesn't need to go out the door simply because of the disappointment in what he isn't.

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I' m not sure a first for Brassard is anything more than a lateral move at best. Basically you're hoping that the pick becomes, in a couple of years, what Brass is now. Not every first rounder is a top line player. Certainly not right away.
Actually most picks in the 25-30 range don't even come close to having Brassard's impact. But some end up much, much better. Most of the value in a late first draft pick is bound up in that low probability that the player will be very very good.

I'd rephrase your statement as, "trading Brassard for a small chance that you get a guy who will be a much better player." Throw in Smith-Pelly and I like the deal.

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The Jackets are currently 4 points behind 8th place Dallas with 2 extra games played. Let's say the winning streak continues, or at least the Jackets continue to climb in the standings and no longer are the doormat. The Oilers, Avs and Preds are on a downward trend and the Jackets could pass them.

So, in 3 weeks, what happens if the Jackets are in 11th or 12th place and within 4 points of 8th? Are they sellers or do they try to make a miracle push for the playoffs, which odds are will be impossible with how competitive things are?

Do they trade within the Western Conference that they're leaving to teams that would still be competing with for a playoff spot? Say, sending Vinny to St Louis or Dallas? Would that be tanking?
Ha, ha, ha! Who would have thought they would actually be in playoff contention! Believe!!!

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Ha, ha, ha! Who would have thought they would actually be in playoff contention! Believe!!!
We are 1 point ahead of St. Louis and have played 3 more games. While it is nice seeing us in 8th place, it has a lot to do with the fact we have played more games than the teams behind us.

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We are 1 point ahead of St. Louis and have played 3 more games. While it is nice seeing us in 8th place, it has a lot to do with the fact we have played more games than the teams behind us.
You say that like it's supposed to refute the Believe Train. We might conceivably get in just by going 7-3-2 or 8-4 in the next 12. That's well with in our pace of the last month. Getting on the Believe Train doesn't mean you think it will be easy or even likely, just possible.

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