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03-31-2013, 06:56 PM
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I would love to draft Chris Bigras. Great article below.

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id rather trade with the islanders who are close to being a playoff team so a package of BERNIER AND MARTINEZ could net us STROME+1ST

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He's gone in the 1st round
Yep. And I hope DL deals up into the last 1/3rd of the 1st round if he's still on the board at that point.

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id rather trade with the islanders who are close to being a playoff team so a package of BERNIER AND MARTINEZ could net us STROME+1ST
We'd be lucky to get Strome, nevermind a 1st which is likely top 15, for that package.

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Yep. And I hope DL deals up into the last 1/3rd of the 1st round if he's still on the board at that point.



We'd be lucky to get Strome, nevermind a 1st which is likely top 15, for that package.
you can always add but my thinking is quincey went for a 1st, varlamov went for a 1st so bernier and martinez are better right???

what makes strome worth more than bernier and martinez

the islanders can realistically be a playoff team with good goaltending and a better D, and both are players that can help tavares and the rest grow.

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you can always add but my thinking is quincey went for a 1st, varlamov went for a 1st so bernier and martinez are better right???

what makes strome worth more than bernier and martinez

the islanders can realistically be a playoff team with good goaltending and a better D, and both are players that can help tavares and the rest grow.
It depends on how the Islanders feel about our two guys. And how will we replace the two?

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03-31-2013, 11:26 PM
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It depends on how the Islanders feel about our two guys. And how will we replace the two?
the isles D is pretty bad, but our D is pretty good, lets say we get regher that means we have
DD
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GREENE
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A MART
MUZZIN
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im sure we can trade smart during the draft.

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id rather trade with the islanders who are close to being a playoff team so a package of BERNIER AND MARTINEZ could net us STROME+1ST
Yeah because what the Islanders need right now is another goalie.

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Yeah because what the Islanders need right now is another goalie.
dipietro aside they need young building blocks that contract was just bad.but there they are fighting for a playoff spot.

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dipietro aside they need young building blocks that contract was just bad.but there they are fighting for a playoff spot.
Take a step back.

Do you anything about the Islanders' goalie prospects?

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Take a step back.

Do you anything about the Islanders' goalie prospects?
i'll take bernier with some nhl experience rather than Nilson

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Take a step back.

Do you know anything about the Islanders' goalie prospects?
Here's some reading material:

http://www.lighthousehockey.com/2013...ct-depth-chart

http://islanders.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=642489

http://islanders.thecheckingline.com...goalie-edition

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nilsson is the better of the two and i'll say bernier is better still, out here in SB all my swedish buds keep tabs on their hockey so ive seen nilsson quite a bit and he's big and that his biggest attribute.


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you can always add but my thinking is quincey went for a 1st, varlamov went for a 1st so bernier and martinez are better right???

what makes strome worth more than bernier and martinez

the islanders can realistically be a playoff team with good goaltending and a better D, and both are players that can help tavares and the rest grow.
Well the fact Strome was a top 5 pick and arguably the best prospect outside the pro ranks right now has an impact. As does the fact there's zero support to suggest the Isles are even looking to add a goalie or a D-man.

Additionally, your trade math is flawed. Just because a rental cost a 1st does not mean a none rental is worth at least as much. It doesn't simply translate over. In some cases, teams actually DON'T want a contract that goes past that season. As well, just because one team would pay a 1st for Quincey, doesn't mean that sets the bar on all trades that are similar, as not all teams are going to pay that for that type of player. Paul Guastad somehow netted a 1st as well, that doesn't mean we can now trade Trevor Lewis for a 1st.

Same with bernier. Varlamnov btw also had 19 playoff games under his belt when traded, and was coming off a season in which he posted a .924 save percentage. His performance to that point in his career was superior to Bernier's.

Bernier and Martinez together gets you a mid-round 1st and a depth player/3rd round pick, give or take. It doesn't net you someone like Strome, Couturier, etc.

If NYI put Strome on the market, they could get a lot

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1995 borns

Team has been drafting so many overage guys

2012: only Ebert was only guy that got drafted on first year of eligibility
2011: Gibson, Shore, Mersch and Schumacher. But only Schumacher was a 93 born

IMO, we are going to have a missing gap in our prospect if we keep going this way. Our NHL club is pretty stacked and our AHL team is full with a bunch of guys with not much future of making the team. We then added guys like Pearson last year that jump straight to AHL and created even more log jam

So IMO, draft whoever is the best player but the team need to be careful about spacing out the age of the prospects

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1995 borns

Team has been drafting so many overage guys

2012: only Ebert was only guy that got drafted on first year of eligibility
2011: Gibson, Shore, Mersch and Schumacher. But only Schumacher was a 93 born

IMO, we are going to have a missing gap in our prospect if we keep going this way. Our NHL club is pretty stacked and our AHL team is full with a bunch of guys with not much future of making the team. We then added guys like Pearson last year that jump straight to AHL and created even more log jam

So IMO, draft whoever is the best player but the team need to be careful about spacing out the age of the prospects
Not true Prokhorkin was in his first year of eligibility, he was just a late birthday.

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Not true Prokhorkin was in his first year of eligibility, he was just a late birthday.
My bad. But anyways he does have again a very early birthday. Guess he missed the cutoff date for 2011 draft by 2 days. And he made the jump to AHL, before all the KHL things, which again crowded our minor

Basically my point is, draft guys that we can stick in junior for a few years

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My bad. But anyways he does have again a very early birthday. Guess he missed the cutoff date for 2011 draft by 2 days. And he made the jump to AHL, before all the KHL things, which again crowded our minor

Basically my point is, draft guys that we can stick in junior for a few years
Maybe they'll look to draft some kids going into or from the NCAA this draft.

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With Loktionov gone for pretty much peanuts, Holloway and Moller gone, and Toffoli already with the Kings, we're in serious need of skilled/scoring forwards.

Pearson is pretty much the only one I see in our cupboard that might have a future with the Kings. I'm not yet sold on Vey or Kitsyn, and I dont see anyone else that has top6 potential in the future. I'm all for using our picks for boom/busts this year, especially since we lack a 1st rounder.

A big defensive D, in the mold of a Greene/Teubert also needed.

I have no desire to draft a goalie this year and I dont see why we would. Quick is here for 10 years. Bernier does NOT need to be traded; we can sign him for another 1-2 years then move him if needed. Vet backups are always cheap to acquire. Plus, I think one of Jones/Berube/Martin could still develop into a future backup for us.

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I have no desire to draft a goalie this year and I dont see why we would. Quick is here for 10 years. Bernier does NOT need to be traded; we can sign him for another 1-2 years then move him if needed. Vet backups are always cheap to acquire. Plus, I think one of Jones/Berube/Martin could still develop into a future backup for us.
Bernier will need to be traded very soon. He's an RFA this off-season, and has already asked for a trade and wants to be an NHL starter. Meaning likely one of three things:

A. Bernier goes to RFA and gets a RFA offer, which forces a trade or that we take the compensation.
B. Bernier signs with us and likely demands to much for the backup position, forcing us to trade him to make the cap work. And we are very cap tight next year. Not to mention it runs the risk of a Luongo/Schnieder situation, which is a sideshow to the team.
C. Bernier refuses to sign and holds out for a trade.

Bernier wants out, that's clear, and his contract is up, meaning he has a lot of power to force his way out if he wants.

With Jones, he's getting in Jeff Zatkoff territory; we'll need to decide what we are going to do with him in the next 12 months. Almost guaranteed he'll be out of the developmental system by this time next season, either up with us as a backup or being ready to the be let go as a RFA/UFA.

So in the minors we will have Berube likely in Manchester and Gibson likely in the ECHL. The way DL has set things up in the past, this is exactly when he'd draft (or sign in the case of Jones) a goalie to sit in the CHL for a few years, then be ready to step into the pro ranks when another goalie graduates.

If you look at the drafting history under the current drafting team (Futa, et al.) the Kings grabbed Linden Rowatt in 2007, Berube in 2009, Gibson in 2011. So every second year. The next year if that pattern holds is 2013.

I fully expect us to grab a goalie in rounds four or five.

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We pretty much need everything other than PMD and 1,2 and 4 center.

We have no one for a while after Bernier;
We have no SAH to replace Greene (Greene can replace Scuds, Scuds and Mitchell can replace each other) and;
We have no one to replace Stoll (we have centers but they don't do what he do!).

Wings we're strongest at. Toffoli and Pearson, plus bottom sixers like Clifford and Lewis who can step up as well. In our system I'm sure we have more bottom six wingers. And winger is the easiest position to fill. Out of all of the high profile free agents and 1st line players made available the last five years, they've always been wingers, except for Richards who played wing for Lecavalier but is now a center.
Hossa, Kovalchuk, Semin, Gaborik, Nash, Parise, etc.

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We pretty much need everything other than PMD and 1,2 and 4 center.
Considering it takes 3-4 years typically for anyone drafted in rounds 2 - 7 to become permanent NHLers (and likely longer the way we tyically develop players), we'll likely need almost everything potentially. The only one I'd consider guaranteeing being here that long is Doughty, regardless of who is still under contract that far ahead.

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I'm confused why we traded Loktionov for so little, couldn't he have been included in a nice package at the deadline or draft (Bernier + Loktionov + 2nd) instead of a pretty useless pick. It was like DL was sending New Jersey consolation prize or something.

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I'm confused why we traded Loktionov for so little, couldn't he have been included in a nice package at the deadline or draft (Bernier + Loktionov + 2nd) instead of a pretty useless pick. It was like DL was sending New Jersey consolation prize or something.
He didn't have much value at the time. He was a risky pick up, as there was the real possibility he'd head back to Europe if he didn't make it with NJ. He has thus far clicked, so he's looking like a good pick up, but no one knew that at the time of the deal. The best we likely could have got IMO was a 4th, so a 5th seems about right.

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I wouldn't mind Sam Morin. 6'7 defenceman playing for the Rimouski Oceanic.

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I'm confused why we traded Loktionov for so little, couldn't he have been included in a nice package at the deadline or draft (Bernier + Loktionov + 2nd) instead of a pretty useless pick. It was like DL was sending New Jersey consolation prize or something.
He was demanding a trade, has a contract expiring at the end of the year, and was threatening if he wasn't playing with a NHL team by the end of the year that he was going back to Russia. Not a lot of value there.

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