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04-01-2013, 09:39 AM
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On Flyers board, they allready scared what kind of deal Holmgren is planning

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I would do Leblanc plus a second plus a B prospect like Holland or Archy.

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If he ends up on Boston or Philly, i will be pissed off!

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As nice as Clowe would be on the Habs...seeing the Flyers sell off assets for a player they don't need will be priceless.
Well, they need somebody to take Talbot's place in the lineup.

However, replacing Talbot by Clowe is a bit like replacing Alex Galchenyuk by Petteri Nokelainen.

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As nice as Clowe would be on the Habs...seeing the Flyers sell off assets for a player they don't need will be priceless.
If Philly sells the farm to put their hands on Clowe... Good Lord.

It should be, and always have been, at least theorically, a war between MTL and BOS.

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He's not worth that.
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Leblanc and a 1st is too much for me...Leblanc was still a first round pick and hasn't been ruled a full lost cause ala Fischer....
It is a lot.. but people are really overvaluing our 1st this year. All 1st's are good, but this isn't like most years.. we're going to have a very late pick (25ish minimum).

A 1st and Leblanc would also be on the condition that he signs an extension.

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If Philly sells the farm to put their hands on Clowe... Good Lord.

It should be, and always have been, at least theorically, a war between MTL and BOS.
If he's a real Habs fan, he would never go to the Bruins.

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Yeah, my absolute max would be Leblanc + 1st, but I'd be very hesitant. I'd probably cut it off at Calgary's 2nd.
What? Are you taking advice from Carl?

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04-01-2013, 09:41 AM
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i would love clowe but i wouldnt move our 1st rounder for any of the available trade deadline players. hell i wouldnt even move calgary 2nd rounder because its going to be like a late 1st rounder. if our 2nd or nashville 2nd + leblanc or weber isnt enough then we should move on

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Well, they need somebody to take Talbot's place in the lineup.

However, replacing Talbot by Clowe is a bit like replacing Alex Galchenyuk by Petteri Nokelainen.
Well that's the thing, Clowe not only makes no sense as a Talbot replacement (Simmonds and Hartnell are healthy, right?), and is likely more expensive than a real Talbot replacement would be. We should be dangling Moen and White in their faces.

They already have probably the worst prospect pool in the league too.

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if we can get Clowe for something like Nsh 2nd/2nd tier prospect (Holland, Pateryn) =

if we have to give up more than that (which we likely would given the dearth of talent in the impending UFA market), I'd be very hesitant.

while I'm sure MB would have in mind to extend Clowe, this summer looks to be a players market in UFA, so we'b be paying an awfully big premium to lock him up.


Bourque - Plekanec - Gionta
MaxPac - DD - Gallagher
Galch - Eller - Clowe
Prust - Halpern - Army/Moen
White/Dumont

be pretty nice to roll into the playoffs with that group...

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If Bourque comes back, where will Clowe play?

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With today's positive Bourque news, the need for Clowe is reduced.

Team needs a d-man with size and a bit of PP acumen above all if they want to make a run.

I wonder if people who just can't wait toss away Leblanc are the same people who gave up on Pacioretty in 2009-10? I can't wait for you guys to eat your words in a year or two. He's still going to be, at a minimum, a solid 3rd liner. And those can be valuable.


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if we can get Clowe for something like Nsh 2nd/2nd tier prospect (Holland, Pateryn) =

if we have to give up more than that (which we likely would given the dearth of talent in the impending UFA market), I'd be very hesitant.

while I'm sure MB would have in mind to extend Clowe, this summer looks to be a players market in UFA, so we'b be paying an awfully big premium to lock him up.


Bourque - Plekanec - Gionta
MaxPac - DD - Gallagher
Galch - Eller - Clowe
Prust - Halpern - Army/Moen
White/Dumont

be pretty nice to roll into the playoffs with that group...
Ryder?

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It is a lot.. but people are really overvaluing our 1st this year. All 1st's are good, but this isn't like most years.. we're going to have a very late pick (25ish minimum).

A 1st and Leblanc would also be on the condition that he signs an extension.


If he's a real Habs fan, he would never go to the Bruins.
In a draft like this someone can drop a little you can get a surprise I don't touch that pick at all unless its part of an elite target we can find the perfect complementary piece for our future franchise center

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With today's positive Bourque news, the need for Clowe was reduced.

Team needs a d-man with size and a bit of PP acumen above all if they want to make a run.
I agree. Diaz being out showed how thin the depth on Defense is. While the rookies are okay for season games, I'm not comfortable rotating rookies in the playoffs.

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With today's positive Bourque news, the need for Clowe was reduced.

Team needs a d-man with size and a bit of PP acumen above all if they want to make a run.
Nope.

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04-01-2013, 09:48 AM
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Yeah, my absolute max would be Leblanc + 1st, but I'd be very hesitant. I'd probably cut it off at Calgary's 2nd.
I'd puke a little if we traded our first for Clowe. Nevermind adding a first round pick prospect, regardless of the crappy season he's been having.

I'd rather give that to a player who is having a good season and whom we know is likely to continue on this path. Someone like Jagr.

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$3.5 mill a yr for Smid, nice signing by Edmonton... Would've loved him on the Habs.

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Nope.
True. Montreal doesn't really have a need in the first place for a guy that produces at a Gomez rate this season, has less goals than Brodeur and can hardly skate.

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True. Montreal doesn't really have a need in the first place for a guy that produces at a Gomez rate this season, has less goals than Brodeur and can hardly skate.
Yeah, Clowe will only be brought here to score goals...

He brings much more to the table.

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It is a lot.. but people are really overvaluing our 1st this year. All 1st's are good, but this isn't like most years.. we're going to have a very late pick (25ish minimum).

A 1st and Leblanc would also be on the condition that he signs an extension.


If he's a real Habs fan, he would never go to the Bruins.
Listen I'm a fan of Clowe (well I like all Sharks players save for Havlat), but the way he's playing this year he's just not worth that. He's a physical goal scorer who needs to play agressive to be effective and this year the effort just isn't there, he often plays on the perimeter and just floats around looking disinterested, now he never was a guy who crashed the net on regular basis as he prefers to generate the offense closer to the boards as opposed to dirty work around the net, but this year even his work alongside the boards leaves much to be desired. Now a trade out of SJ might rekindle the fire in him, but I'm not willing to risk our 1st rounder on that.

Just my 2 cents Nate.

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as much as i want to keep building for the future and not deal assets, i ask all of you what kind of clowe equivalent do we have in our system? the answer is none, and therein lay the problem. I can definitely see that ****ing old fart Snyder seeing Clowe as a 'true' flyer and overpaying to reinforce that identity (like the Bruins). BUT we desperately need, imo, that kind of player - and if we don't deal for him, then make Timmins try to find that dude in this draft.

i'm also concerned about bourque being gun shy and afraid to play physical or go to the dirty areas because of his concussion

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If the rumours of Bourque coming back are indeed true and that he's not having yet another setback, I agree that the need to pay assets for a guy like Clowe might indeed be less urgent.

That being said, Clowe or not, you can't keep 5 regular minutes Ds in your lineup forever. We need an extra d-man, and if possible, a tough 4th liner.

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BTW, can someone explain to me why a team that is currently holding a playoffs spot would trade Clowe if he's so coveted ? What's the rational behind SJ trading him ?

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as much as i want to keep building for the future and not deal assets, i ask all of you what kind of clowe equivalent do we have in our system? the answer is none, and therein lay the problem. I can definitely see that ****ing old fart Snyder seeing Clowe as a 'true' flyer and overpaying to reinforce that identity (like the Bruins). BUT we desperately need, imo, that kind of player - and if we don't deal with, than make Timmins try to find that dude in this draft.
Where would he play in the lineup though when Bourque comes back? Does he play on the 4th line? Would we waste a 1st round pick and a prospect to play Clowe on the 4th line? Do we remove Galchenyuk from the 3rd and place him on the 4th? Do we really want that? Unless a top 9 forward is going out, I don't see where the habs have room to bring one in.

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