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04-01-2013, 10:07 AM
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2nd + Booth/Ballard + Prospect

I should have specified. A top 4D who can actually crack the Rangers top 4 and a top 6 forward that isn't a salary dump*

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04-01-2013, 10:15 AM
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Again, Lucic for Gabby. Straight up. Gabby is a better player, but the NYR need Lucic's toughness.

It will never happen, but that's a fair deal.

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04-01-2013, 10:19 AM
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Let's trade with the Red Wings.

Marian Gaborik

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Defenceman - Colaiacovo(left)/White(right)
Left winger - Cleary(W)/Filppula(LW/C)
Depth winger - Miller(W)/Eaves(RW)

Take your package. If you want to add something, please inform.
Other than adding, you should probably subtract. I'd go for Gaborik > Quincy, Eaves, and a 3rd.

And I'd like to add that Lucic has a s---load of beef with the Rangers, especially McD. + Why would we deal with Bruins? I mean, we may not be rivals but our communication with them is not so good.

The Purcell deal looks great to be honest. I love Thompson too. He would be a great addition to our team. If that deal went through, I'd be more than happy. Here's the catch, Gaborik doesn't meet Tampa's needs really. They have good offense and improving D. They wouldnt want Gilroy back Either.

With the Tampa deal, I would say Gaborik, Stralman/Eminger for Purcell, Thompson and a 3rd.

Unfortunately, the Rangers can't do that at the moment because we are in no possition to be giving away any defensemen. Maybe if Purcell was out of the picture and we asked for, I don't know maybe Marc-Andre Bergeron instead, but then we'd just be giving Stralman for another Stralman. This deal probably can't be negotiated around. If Martin St. Louis was in the picture that'd be interesting but I don't think we need another big named playmaker on our team.

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04-01-2013, 11:09 AM
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Again, Lucic for Gabby. Straight up. Gabby is a better player, but the NYR need Lucic's toughness.

It will never happen, but that's a fair deal.
Not even close. You ask all the GMs in the league who they would rather have and who has greater value and all of them would say Lucic.

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04-01-2013, 11:21 AM
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Really? Even the ones who desperately need goal scoring or top wingers? Detroit, Nashville, Pittsburgh, Vancouver could all use Gaborik more than Lucic.

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Other than adding, you should probably subtract. I'd go for Gaborik > Quincy, Eaves, and a 3rd.
Done deal.

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Incredibad for the Rangers. You wouldn't get Devin Setoguchi for those parts.

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Looks like CBJ is willing to move one of their 1st rounders for a scorer.

So much for no interest in trading picks.

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Really? Even the ones who desperately need goal scoring or top wingers? Detroit, Nashville, Pittsburgh, Vancouver could all use Gaborik more than Lucic.
Lucic's age is a huge factor and he plays a style that very few can replicate.

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Looks like CBJ is willing to move one of their 1st rounders for a scorer.

So much for no interest in trading picks.
Well, I didn't count on Columbus being Columbus.

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Well, I didn't count on Columbus being Columbus.
It makes complete sense for CBJ to trade for Gaborik.

Gaborik was on pace for 90pts+ with Prospal in 09-10 (and Christensen). He's played with Dubinsky in 10-11 and Anisimov was his most common linemate on LW last year. To me, trading for Gaborik along with getting Dubi/AA/Erixon is 3x the upgrade of trading Nash.

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Aaron Portzline ‏@Aportzline 6s Don't see the #CBJ being involved in 'rental' game. If they give up a first-round pick, would be for a young player or player in his prime.

Not sure if Gabo fits that description.

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With how Jarmo drafts, Columbus will only trade a 1st if it is someone that could have a long and significant future with Columbus.

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I should have specified. A top 4D who can actually crack the Rangers top 4 and a top 6 forward that isn't a salary dump*
It was a joke.

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I may be wrong but you can't eat more than half of a players salary.

Dougie Hamilton and Looch are also off the table. It would have to be as everyone else has said a third liner (Kelly, Pevs, Caron) + solid prospect (koko , spooner, knight) + first in 2013.
You are not wrong, I didn't realize it is in fact a max 50%. Thank you for the correction.

It's fair enough to say Hamilton is off the table.
The premise was to allow you to afford Gabby the balance of his deal on our dime as much as possible, add some throw ins, and get one solid blue chip.

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"third liner" "+ solid prospect" + "first in 2013" is entirely reasonable and may yet be acceptable.

Remember, however, that there is limited supply and demand, it is a seller's market, NY does not HAVE TO make this deal NOW, and Bs would want it now for the upcoming playoffs, and there is the open competition of what is the best offer.

So you can work with your third line +prospect + first vs a similarly structured offer, or you can aim a little higher.

If I were you, I would consider trading Hamilton IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF NY added additional assets.

However, I'm not sure Rangers would pay those assets.
But it is reasonable and worthwhile to discuss.

Because every so often, you get surprised.
For example, what about


Gaborik at max salary eating of 50% + Stralman + Eminger + well regarded 1st round pick Brady Skjei + a third round pick 2013
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Hamilton + Boston's 2nd 2013

Skjei is believed 2ish years away, maybe 3. You will have Chara in the meantime.
It's 2 totally different styles, skating v strength. But it is not an interesting question of value.

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04-01-2013, 05:03 PM
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To NYR
Jagr
Roy
Robidas

To Dallas
Gaborik
Boyle


NYR don't get the kind of prospect/long-term value you might expect in trading Gaborik, but they get immediate offensive depth/help & a RHD whom would fit in well to Tortorella's style/team identity.

Dallas gives up some leadership and passes on the picks/prospects 2-rentals like Roy/Jagr might fetch, but get the biggest talent in the deal who is signed next year as well. Add a bottom-6 physical C in the process.

deal hinges on Sather being more committed to Tortorella then to Gaborik... if Torts is coming back next year, hard to see them keeping Gaborik & with his salary he'll be tough to move for the boatload of young assets you'd expect for a player of his ability/track record.
insightful. good post.
Torts is buh bye. The only ? is sooner or later, not if but when....

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Lucic's age is a huge factor and he plays a style that very few can replicate.
This. Lucic at 24 is a much more valuable asset than a 31-year old Gaborik.

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04-02-2013, 02:00 AM
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Again, Lucic for Gabby. Straight up. Gabby is a better player, but the NYR need Lucic's toughness.

It will never happen, but that's a fair deal.
It really isn't.

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To be honest, I don't see Gaborik's value being much higher at the deadline then during the offseason.

Don't get me wrong, he's a great player who's struggling this year, but he's not exactly the type of player that gets you over the hump or excels in the playoffs.

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Not very high to you.

We need to preface these comments a bit more.

Gomez wasn't to well thought of when he got traded and he got more than expected.

More recently Douglas Murray was acquired for two 2nd rounders when Sharks fans themselves would have been OK with a 3rd.

Morrow got a 1st rounder back.

Gaborik is a three time, three time, three time 40 goal scoring forward.

Actually, 3 in the last 6 years to be exact. Ine one of those years, he played in just 17 games and scored 13 goals in those 17 games. That is a 60+ goal pace.

He may not hold alot of value to YOU

But I would bet that he holds significant value to other teams.

So if Gaborik is so good why do NYR fans want to get rid of him?

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So if Gaborik is so good why do NYR fans want to get rid of him?
He doesn't fit in Torts lame system. I'd much rather see Torts go personally.

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He doesn't fit in Torts lame system. I'd much rather see Torts go personally.
Seemed to fit in well last season...

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Seemed to fit in well last season...
He scored a lot. Doesn't mean he fit the system.

NYR fans want him traded because we have to get Stepan, Hagelin, McDonagh new contracts in a year the cap is going down. Nash we just got, Henrik isn't going anywhere, and if we trade Richards, we're locked to his cap hit when he retires. That makes Gaborik the logical choice to get dealt, provided he can fetch a decent return.

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So if Gaborik is so good why do NYR fans want to get rid of him?
The NYR have a glut of RW and a dearth of LW. That's all. And getting Nash was a no-brainer, but supplementing the starts was harder than the NYR thought. The NYR have no jam. Lucic will solve that and frankly, Gaborik, with that group of Bruins will get all the room he needs to score 30-40 again. Torts, and the personnel disfunction of the NYR is what's killing Gabby.

Lucic is worth more than a bone fide 40 goal scorer?

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Maybe Boston fans can help me. I was listening to Jack edwards on Boston sports radio and he and the radio guys were alluding to personal problems Lucic was having. Can anyone elaborate?

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