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Mikhail Grabvoski FOR Brad Richards

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03-18-2013, 07:32 AM
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richards used to be one of my favorite player but until he got his concussion in dallas he doenst look like the same player.

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03-18-2013, 07:39 AM
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Damn Richards cashed in when he could. $60 mil

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03-18-2013, 07:44 AM
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As a Devils fan I would HATE to see the Rangers getting an ES force like Grabovski. Scary.

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03-18-2013, 08:02 AM
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As a Devils fan I would HATE to see the Rangers getting an ES force like Grabovski. Scary.
You won't need to worry, Grabovski will be much needed by TO if they make the playoffs. He is playing well as a shutdown C and is a sparkplug.

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03-18-2013, 08:15 AM
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From a Leafs perspective: I wish.

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03-18-2013, 08:18 AM
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How does this make any sense for the Rangers? When and if Richards retires, they are on the hook for his "cap savings"

There is NO way the Rangers trade Richards unless they get a top prospect+ to make up for the cap savings hit.

Plus, if Grabovski has trouble scoring in Carlyle's system, he'd have like 30 points with Torts.

It's a shame that Grabovski is being used as a damn checker right now...Carlyle has basically turned a 5.5M #2 C into a 1.5M 3rd line C.

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03-18-2013, 08:28 AM
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It's a shame that Grabovski is being used as a damn checker right now...Carlyle has basically turned a 5.5M #2 C into a 1.5M 3rd line C.
Yea. Maybe Carlyle should revert back to Wilsons style of using Grabo, that way we could be a bottom 5 team again ....

I don't care how coaching style impacts individual stats. If it gets the team more wins, then that means the coach is using the tools available to him in the most effective way possible. Bozak/Kadri as scoring centres and Grabo/McClement as defensive centres seems to be working pretty well.

In saying that, Grabo is obviously severely overpaid for his current role on the Leafs.

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03-18-2013, 08:32 AM
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Rags would be dumb not to do it. Richards is a buyout candidate.
They would be dumb to make the trade.

If they would buyout Richards, they would definitely buyout Grabovski who only makes $1.2M less and is not as good. Why would they risk that Richards retires and they get hit with the cap penalty?

If Toronto was interested in this deal (not saying they are) they would have to add something pretty significant to make the Rangers take that risk.

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03-18-2013, 08:42 AM
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Yea. Maybe Carlyle should revert back to Wilsons style of using Grabo, that way we could be a bottom 5 team again ....

I don't care how coaching style impacts individual stats. If it gets the team more wins, then that means the coach is using the tools available to him in the most effective way possible. Bozak/Kadri as scoring centres and Grabo/McClement as defensive centres seems to be working pretty well.

In saying that, Grabo is obviously severely overpaid for his current role on the Leafs.
Exactly. His current role is not a role that Grabovski can do well and still produce points.

I think he's likely traded to a team like Nashville because he's good defensively and and if he gets the minutes on the PP and ES, he can be that 55+ point center.

Right now, the Leafs have to trade Grabovski. 5.5M checker is not a good idea for building a team.

Trade Grabo, bring up Colborne, shift Bozak to #3C, Kadri up to #1C.

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03-18-2013, 08:43 AM
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Um. No.. Thanks though. Id rather an overpaid defensive workhorse than an overpaid diva.

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03-18-2013, 08:59 AM
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Um. No.. Thanks though. Id rather an overpaid defensive workhorse than an overpaid diva.
who is the Diva?

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03-18-2013, 10:23 AM
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Yea. Maybe Carlyle should revert back to Wilsons style of using Grabo, that way we could be a bottom 5 team again ....

I don't care how coaching style impacts individual stats. If it gets the team more wins, then that means the coach is using the tools available to him in the most effective way possible. Bozak/Kadri as scoring centres and Grabo/McClement as defensive centres seems to be working pretty well.
The problem with this argument is that Carlyle's team this year has 32 points after 29 games. Wilson's team last year had 33 points after 29 games. So with better personnel, emerging stars in Kadri and JVR, and better goaltending, Carlyle has managed to be behind last year's pace so far. One could argue that he has gone out of his way to mishandle Gardiner and Grabovski while blithely ignoring Holzer's and, to a lesser extent, Kostka's limitations.

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03-18-2013, 04:32 PM
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Still think Richards would work better on Toronto then New York

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Would still love to see this trade in the off season

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04-01-2013, 11:38 AM
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Richards won't finish his contract. Rangers would be screwing themselves by trading Richards since he'll retire with a few years left.

He's essentially un-tradeable, regardless of what's coming back.

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04-01-2013, 11:42 AM
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not a chance...richards is higher value than Grabo

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04-01-2013, 12:06 PM
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We're not eating Richards contract. Grabo might have fell out of favour with some leaf fans, but most of us know what he's capable of.

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04-01-2013, 12:22 PM
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No way Toronto trades Grabo, who already underachieves for his own contract, for Richards who is a definite underachiever who makes more money.

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04-01-2013, 12:27 PM
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Do you even watch the Toronto Maple Leafs?

This is a very inaccurate report of Mikhail Grabovski's flaws:

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Lacks defensive acumen. Overhandles the puck on occasion, and can fall into backchecking funks, opting for the easy way out from time to time. Injuries and a lack of discipline can also be factors here.
He isn't a shutdown center but he is a fantastic two-way center. Oftentime he is the hardest backchecker on the team. Furthermore, injuries haven't been a factor for Grabovski since a broken wrist in 09/10.

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04-01-2013, 12:31 PM
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We're not eating Richards contract. Grabo might have fell out of favour with some leaf fans, but most of us know what he's capable of.
Finally a sensible response from a leaf fan. Grabo is being used as a 3rd line centre, he was our best player for the majority of the past 3 seasons. Leaf fans are all about "what have you done for me lately" im sure if given the chance he can outperform bozak who is a legit 3rd line centre.

Kadri
Grabovski
Bozak
Maclement

Seems fine to me without a 7mil guy about to retire

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04-01-2013, 12:52 PM
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We're not eating Richards contract. Grabo might have fell out of favour with some leaf fans, but most of us know what he's capable of.
Oh the irony...

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Oh the irony...
No leaf fans wants to eat Luongo's deal either? 5 years at 5.5 is a lot more palatable than Richards deal.

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Exactly why they would be dumb to do it. Cap recapture. Richards retiring early would mean hell on the Rangers' cap.

They're better off amnestying him.
An amnesty buyout is what I was implying, actually. Worst case scenario, you use it on Grabovski which would be much cheaper.

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An amnesty buyout is what I was implying, actually. Worst case scenario, you use it on Grabovski which would be much cheaper.
But then Richards' retiring is on our cap....

The Rangers don't care about the money. They payed Redden $6.5M per to play in the AHL.

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04-01-2013, 01:23 PM
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Um... real question. Have you *ever* seen Grabovski play?

Leafs flat-out do not want Richards, but:

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Assets: Is a creative playmaker and offensive forward. Has vastly improved the way in which he uses space and his linemates. Displays a feisty disposition, excellent skating skills, and a solid work ethic on most nights.
Grabovski can pass well, but he is more of a shooter than a playmaker. He is a two-way forward and is currently in the most intense checking role in the league. You are right that he is feisty, an excellent skater, and has a great work ethic, but this year, he has actually been using his linemates less, because he has been given defensive forwards and whatever top-9 players aren't clicking.

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Flaws: Lacks ideal size and defensive acumen. Overhandles the puck on occasion, and can fall into backchecking funks, opting for the easy way out from time to time. Injuries and a lack of discipline can also be factors here.
May lack size, but he doesn't show it. He is very good defensively, and at backchecking. I've never seen him just "give up" on a backcheck. As of a couple weeks ago, he faced the 4th toughest opposition of any player in the league. His linemate was 1st.

Injuries and discipline have not been problems at all for Grabovski...

Seriously, no offense, but did you try to get everything wrong?

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