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The 2013 NHL Entry Draft: Part II | [Avs Currently In: 29th overall]

View Poll Results: Besides the Big 3 who would you want the Avs to draft?
Barkov 58 44.62%
Erne 1 0.77%
Lindholm 23 17.69%
Monahan 6 4.62%
Nichushkin 16 12.31%
Nurse 9 6.92%
Pulock 2 1.54%
Ristolainen 3 2.31%
Shinkaruk 6 4.62%
Wennberg 2 1.54%
Zadorov 1 0.77%
OTHER 3 2.31%
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04-01-2013, 11:14 AM
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I'm not a real big fan of de la Rose. I get the effort, size, etc. parts of his game, I just see a very small chance that he develops into a top 6 player. I would take him with a 3rd, but a 2nd, with who is still on the board, seems incredibly risky.
He's not put up great numbers at any stage. I have a hard time seeing him project to a top six guy in the NHL. If you draft early second round, surely you want the guy to have a shot as a skill guy in the NHL?

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04-01-2013, 11:18 AM
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He's not put up great numbers at any stage. I have a hard time seeing him project to a top six guy in the NHL. If you draft early second round, surely you want the guy to have a shot as a skill guy in the NHL?
That is the way I look at it. 3rd on down I don't care about taking grinders or defensive specialists. First two rounds I would look only at top4/6 talent. Avs don't always think that way though. All you have to do is look at the Heard pick from last draft.

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If the Avs can get an extra 2nd at the deadline, I wouldn't mind taking one "safe" pick and one "swing for the fences" pick in that round.

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Not since they've moved to Colorado, the last big center who can be somewhat compared to Sasha this franchise had was Mats Sundin.

To expand my toughts on Sasha, he and Nichushkin look like man childs at times on the ice even though they're playing against grown men.
Well Gratton kinda qualifies but he was only here a few months.

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04-01-2013, 12:34 PM
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I might take Lindholm over Monahan at this point. His game is really growing on me. Very well-rounded.
Definitely Lindholm over Monahan, more upside, more dynamic, and very well rounded as well.

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Talked to an NHL Euro scout today: "If Nichushkin isn't selected either first or second overall, it's only because of the Russian factor."

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Well Gratton kinda qualifies but he was only here a few months.
Gratton kinda sucks comapred to Barkov.

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Talked to an NHL Euro scout today: "If Nichushkin isn't selected either first or second overall, it's only because of the Russian factor."
I'd say hes' the 3rd best player I watched play behind Jones and Barkov. If you guys have a chance to watch him play you should do it, he's a treat to watch.

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Going to see the two Gat v.s. Halifax games. I'm really excited to get an update on both players. Last I saw them both live, Mackinnon was bounds and leaps ahead of Drouin. I imagine I'll see a much closer competition this time around.

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If Nichushkin falls beyond 10 it is a travesty and only because he is a Russian (I would pick him 6th or 7th). That said, I think he gets picked around 15-20.

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Gratton kinda sucks comapred to Barkov.
Haha, well you were talking about if the Avs ever had any big centers.

I'd argue that Gratton was very good in his role here. The KGB line was one of the Avs best in history IMO. It was dominate when Granato decided to keep it together, and Gratton did an outstanding job shutting down Modano in that 1st round playoff series.

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If Nichushkin falls beyond 10 it is a travesty and only because he is a Russian (I would pick him 6th or 7th). That said, I think he gets picked around 15-20.
It isn't "because he is a Russian." It's because he has a Russian contract. The fear of him never coming to NA isn't baseless xenophobia. If he was in the chl, he'd be in the top 3 argument.

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Haha, well you were talking about if the Avs ever had any big centers.

I'd argue that Gratton was very good in his role here. The KGB line was one of the Avs best in history IMO. It was dominate when Granato decided to keep it together, and Gratton did an outstanding job shutting down Modano in that 1st round playoff series.
Honestly I forgot about him completely and yeah I think he did a good job against the Stars, it's just that he doesn't fit the same mold Sasha does.

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If Nichushkin falls beyond 10 it is a travesty and only because he is a Russian (I would pick him 6th or 7th). That said, I think he gets picked around 15-20.
I mean if he hadn't signed a 3 year deal in Russia I think he would definitely go top 5, regardless of nationality. I think teams and scouts will be afraid that him signing that deal might mean he'd prefer to stay in KHL more than past prospects. That said it comes down to his interviews - if he's interested in coming over after a couple years like Tarasenko did, he will for sure go top 10 IMO.

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If Nichushkin falls beyond 10 it is a travesty and only because he is a Russian (I would pick him 6th or 7th). That said, I think he gets picked around 15-20.
To me it makes sense, because even though I like him (had him in my top 4 since last winter) he JUST signed a contract extension. He didn't pull a Yakupov and come over to CHL, so it's one reason why he will fall.

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It isn't "because he is a Russian." It's because he has a Russian contract. The fear of him never coming to NA isn't baseless xenophobia. If he was in the chl, he'd be in the top 3 argument.
It is only 2 more years IIRC. Most picks 5+ spend at least that in juniors before coming to the NHL. Also KHL contracts are not worth the paper they are written on, they are broken constantly. For his talent, you can afford to wait a couple years.

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My big 3:

1. Drouin (too gifted offensively to pass.....futur LW of Duchene for10 years)
2. Jones(#1 defensman....big need for Avs....perfect fit with EJ)
3. Lindholm (perfect two way center....get rid of Stastny and this guy will play behind Duchene and O'Reilly for years to come)

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Barkov is going to be good one. What he did in FEL already is just amazing.

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My Philosophy: Best player available...always

My big 3:

1. Drouin (too gifted offensively to pass.....futur LW of Duchene for10 years)
2. Jones(#1 defensman....big need for Avs....perfect fit with EJ)
3. Lindholm (perfect two way center....get rid of Stastny and this guy will play behind Duchene and O'Reilly for years to come)
3 great centers don't work. At some point they will be unsatisfied by playing time. Like Penguins.

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3 great centers don't work. At some point they will be unsatisfied by playing time. Like Penguins.
Well it did get them the Cup. And they got great return.

Lindholm could work at wing too though he's a natural C.

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It is only 2 more years IIRC. Most picks 5+ spend at least that in juniors before coming to the NHL. Also KHL contracts are not worth the paper they are written on, they are broken constantly. For his talent, you can afford to wait a couple years.
Yes, but they're also playing in the organization (or chl) where the team has at least some control over them. You really never know what is going on in the khl.

Don't get me wrong. If we had a top three and, say, a number 13 overall pick, I'd be happy if they used that #13 on nichuskin. He is worth the risk there. If we use our top 3, I'll be livid. We can't make that big of a gamble with a jones/McKinnon/drouin still on the table.

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Yes, but they're also playing in the organization (or chl) where the team has at least some control over them. You really never know what is going on in the khl.

Don't get me wrong. If we had a top three and, say, a number 13 overall pick, I'd be happy if they used that #13 on nichuskin. He is worth the risk there. If we use our top 3, I'll be livid. We can't make that big of a gamble with a jones/McKinnon/drouin still on the table.
No reason to take the risk on Nichushkin ahead of Jones, Drouin, Mac, Barkov, and Lindholm. You could possibly put Monahan in that category as well. I would draft Nichushkin 6/7 on up... especially so if you had another 1st round pick.

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no it's because of that damn contract he just signed. Radulov and others have made some scouts skiddish about drafting guys who don't seem to burn to play in the NHL.

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no it's because of that damn contract he just signed. Radulov and others have made some scouts skiddish about drafting guys who don't seem to burn to play in the NHL.
Radulov will be an Av next season after Roy takes over.

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Radulov will be an Av next season after Roy takes over.
I really can't say that I would disagree too much with the move either. When Rads is motivated (like he hopefully would be with Roy) he is a top 20 talent. Isn't he a still a RFA this summer?

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It is only 2 more years IIRC. Most picks 5+ spend at least that in juniors before coming to the NHL. Also KHL contracts are not worth the paper they are written on, they are broken constantly. For his talent, you can afford to wait a couple years.
He will be able to earn significantly more money in the three years after his current contract in the KHL compared to a NHL ELC.

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