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03-31-2013, 12:32 PM
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2nd and a 5th?
I'm thinking a first.

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We’ve been wondering where this all is going to go and for the first time, Regier gave us a glimpse, “We indicated to him that we’re going to look towards next season and really look at building this team not just to make it into the playoffs, but to go deep into the playoffs and no one’s quite sure of the timeline

That probably doesn't bode well for Vanek sticking around.

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That probably doesn't bode well for Vanek sticking around.
How do you deduce that? Just curious

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Vanek said he's not interested in staying for an extended rebuild.

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Any player, Vanek said, wants to know the direction his team is heading. Clearly, the 29-year-old doesn’t want to experience a long rebuilding process.

“I’m sure nobody likes to call their team a rebuilding team,” Vanek said. “But if that’s the phase, if it’s one year, that’s OK. But if it’s a two-, three-year plan, you would probably look in the other direction. It’s a long ways away.”

He added: “Rebuild is not a bad word. It’s just which direction you choose to go.”
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Wow. Thanks. I missed that quote entirely.

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If they still don't know how long the process is gonna be it might be hard to convince someone to stay when they don't want a long one.

Also, if we trade Poms and/or Miller, it's gonna look more like the longer kind of rebuild

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Wow. Thanks. I missed that quote entirely.

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I think he's the key in all of this.
If he leaves, the others will probably either choose to leave or find themselves traded.

Without him, the team really has no elite scorer and doesn't currently have one in the pipeline (even if they did, they would be unlikely to produce at a useful enough level for a few years), which means if they want to win, it's unlikely they will here.

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Do we trade vanek because he may walk? If we can get him signed I'd rather keep him. I still have 2014 as my goal season to make the playoffs

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I think he's the key in all of this.
If he leaves, the others will probably either choose to leave or find themselves traded.

Without him, the team really has no elite scorer and doesn't currently have one in the pipeline (even if they did, they would be unlikely to produce at a useful enough level for a few years), which means if they want to win, it's unlikely they will here.
If they don't have him signed by the end of July, they'll start shopping him I think. He's too good of a player to let walk for free, there's no way they can risk it

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I'd trade all 3.

You could have 3 additional firsts in the next few years, a couple more extra picks, 3-4 new prospects, 1-2 younger roster players.

Obviously that's best case scenario. But a kings random of young potential, and cap space to keep RFA's and sign a couple FA's

Draft well, and hopefully 50% of the stuff you aquite pans out.

Make a move for a higher pick And draft a stud.

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I think he's the key in all of this.
If he leaves, the others will probably either choose to leave or find themselves traded.

Without him, the team really has no elite scorer and doesn't currently have one in the pipeline (even if they did, they would be unlikely to produce at a useful enough level for a few years), which means if they want to win, it's unlikely they will here.
Armia?

I wouldn't mind extending Vanek. Really, he's the only legitimate goal scoring threat we have. You're spot on there. But if he isn't committed to the team, id try to get a nice package of assets.

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That said... Of the 3 I could live with Vanek retiring a Sabre

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Do we trade vanek because he may walk? If we can get him signed I'd rather keep him. I still have 2014 as my goal season to make the playoffs
If they tell him behind closed doors that this is more than a one year rebuild and he's says he's unlikely to re-sign, then yes.

As many have said, there's too much risk in losing him for nothing.

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If they don't have him signed by the end of July, they'll start shopping him I think. He's too good of a player to let walk for free, there's no way they can risk it
I expect that will probably happen if they do decide/realize this isn't a one year thing too, and the market should be there, what with the dearth of scorers in FA this year.

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I'd trade all 3.

You could have 3 additional firsts in the next few years, a couple more extra picks, 3-4 new prospects, 1-2 younger roster players.

Obviously that's best case scenario. But a kings random of young potential, and cap space to keep RFA's and sign a couple FA's

Draft well, and hopefully 50% of the stuff you aquite pans out.

Make a move for a higher pick And draft a stud.
Some may not like it, but I would too.
If they don't have any truly elite talent for a few years, so be it.

I'd be looking for picks and prospects, but also veteran players that can mentor.
Even if they suck on the ice, we need some veteran influences.
The veterans could also be supplemented via free agency, a la Florida a few years ago.

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Armia?
Elite skill is there, but he's too inconsistent to be considered a surefire option right now.
He could end up being anything from a first liner if he figures it out, a Stafford type if he doesn't, or nothing at all.

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If they tell him behind closed doors that this is more than a one year rebuild and he's says he's unlikely to re-sign, then yes.

As many have said, there's too much risk in losing him for nothing.

I expect that will probably happen if they do decide/realize this isn't a one year thing too, and the market should be there, what with the dearth of scorers in FA this year.

Some may not like it, but I would too.
If they don't have any truly elite talent for a few years, so be it.

I'd be looking for picks and prospects, but also veteran players that can mentor.
Even if they suck on the ice, we need some veteran influences.
The veterans could also be supplemented via free agency, a la Florida a few years ago.

Elite skill is there, but he's too inconsistent to be considered a surefire option right now.
He could end up being anything from a first liner if he figures it out, a Stafford type if he doesn't, or nothing at all.
I just meant to point to him as a prospect with elite goalscoring potential. I'm not sure that, even if he were to hit his max or his peak, that he'd ever be as natural of a threat to score as Vanek.

Not many are.

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Vanek's p good

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These Pominville offers on the trade board have me drooling. My goodness.

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Bryz just punched his ticket out of Philly by ducking out of the way of a puck.

I'd say shop Miller to Philly for Giroux and a 1st this offseason. They'll be desperate for a competent goal tender.

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I'd say shop Miller to Philly for Giroux and a 1st this offseason. They'll be desperate for a competent goal tender.


They're not gonna trade Giroux.

Maaaaybe you could get Couturier+ but there's is a 100% chance they will not trade Giroux for Miller.

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They're not gonna trade Giroux.

Maaaaybe you could get Couturier+ but there's is a 100% chance they will not trade Giroux for Miller.
I'm dreaming big, but Flyers haven't had a good goaltender in forever.

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Bryz just punched his ticket out of Philly by ducking out of the way of a puck.

I'd say shop Miller to Philly for Giroux and a 1st this offseason. They'll be desperate for a competent goal tender.
Dd you mean miller and a 1st and giroux?

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Dd you mean miller and a 1st and giroux?
Well, my point is, make them overpay in some manner for Miller.

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Bryz just punched his ticket out of Philly by ducking out of the way of a puck.

I'd say shop Miller to Philly for Giroux and a 1st this offseason. They'll be desperate for a competent goal tender.
You're serious? That's ****ing ridiculous. Sure, maybe the Flyers are interested in Miller but they aren't trading their best skater AND a first for a 1-year goalie. Rethink it.

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They're not gonna trade Giroux.

Maaaaybe you could get Couturier+ but there's is a 100% chance they will not trade Giroux for Miller.
There isn't enough .

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Miller and Vanek are gone.

We are in for a proper tanking for this and next season... And a full rebuild through the draft.

A)no way either has any interest in signing here

B) We don't need them.


Sorry so everyone clutching and grabbing at the past, and the "scary good" days... That era is dead and buried.

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Miller and Vanek are gone.

We are in for a proper tanking for this and next season... And a full rebuild through the draft.

A)no way either has any interest in signing here

B) We don't need them.


Sorry so everyone clutching and grabbing at the past, and the "scary good" days... That era is dead and buried.
The big question is how movable will the Vanek and Miller contracts be this summer with the cap coming down?

That could be a hurdle to moving them before the season and the Sabres may need to wait until the deadline to move them.

It will be interesting to see what happens.

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