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04-01-2013, 05:45 PM
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It means we had two lower-end scoring line centers. They also fed off a hot powerplay, of which they were the least integral pieces.

You are also failing to take into account all the centers who didn't play a full schedule who would have easily surpassed Legwand and Fisher had they played a full season: Lecavalier, Koivu, Crosby, Staal, etc.

We had mediocre scoring centers last year, which is about the best we'e ever had and could hope for with these guys.

This year they're at the bottom of the pack. 60th in the league. Likely worst top 2 centers in the league.
Thanks for once again illustrating if Legwand or Fisher do well ... it's nothing except "but .... " "but .... " "but ...."



It's always everything looked at in a vacuum until the result is Legwand sucks.

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Thanks for once again illustrating if Legwand or Fisher do well ... it's nothing except "but .... " "but .... " "but ...."



It's always everything looked at in a vacuum until the result is Legwand sucks.
Yes, Legwand scored over 50 point for the 2nd time in career last year-- a career where he spent the vast majority of the time on a scoring line.

If you want bow down to him for it, be my guest. Radek Bonk did more in his career.

Outside the vacum, here in the real NHL, it's very mediocre.

And this year, he just not good at all-- 60th is terrible. I'm also sick of his nonchalant effort. Time to move on if we ever hope to improve as a team.

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Yes, Legwand scored over 50 point for the 2nd time in career last year-- a career where he spent the vast majority of the time on a scoring line.

If you want bow down to him for it, be my guest. Radek Bonk did more in his career.

Outside the vacum, here in the real NHL, it's very mediocre.

And this year, he just not good at all-- 60th is terrible. I'm also sick of his nonchalant effort. Time to move on if we ever hope to improve as a team.
The only time he is mediocre is when compared to the second forward drafted in any given year ... where he was the median for 1990-2011 (I haven't re-run the numbers since then). The second year of his contract put him on the trendline for cap/performance.

I've yet to see anyone seriously call him a superstar .... but he is a consistent 2nd line center.

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Wrong Sigmund. All is comes down to is wanting to win.
Hon, that has jack **** to do with wanting Legwand removed. Perhaps in some wild off fantasyland, there is a place where someway, somehow, G-d and dulzhok only know but somehow, damnit, Legwand and winning cannot and will not ever be possible together. But here in reality, Legwand can be a successful player on a successful team despite not being a #1C.

No, hon. I'm not joining the fantasy. You're either lying to us or you're lying to yourself when you claim otherwise, but the real motivation is hatred of Legwand, and it's transparently obvious for all to see.

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Me personally, I'm a Legwand fan. He didn't live up to being a #2 overall, but hey he's still a solid player, a good guy, and the original Predator.

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Hells Bells. Guess who wore a letter. AND scored a goal that sparked a third period comeback that earned the Preds an OT point!

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Hells Bells. Guess who wore a letter. AND scored a goal that sparked a third period comeback that earned the Preds an OT point!

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Hon, that has jack **** to do with wanting Legwand removed. Perhaps in some wild off fantasyland, there is a place where someway, somehow, G-d and dulzhok only know but somehow, damnit, Legwand and winning cannot and will not ever be possible together. But here in reality, Legwand can be a successful player on a successful team despite not being a #1C.

No, hon. I'm not joining the fantasy. You're either lying to us or you're lying to yourself when you claim otherwise, but the real motivation is hatred of Legwand, and it's transparently obvious for all to see.
Hon???, despite your rants and raves, Legwand is still a mediocre hockey player. I don't care what you and the other 4-5 Legwand-propaganda-generators try to bully around.

On his good years (2 out of 14), he's a step above mediocre, like last year. On his bad years, he's well below mediocre. 2 yrs in 14 he's scored more than 50 points. Worse than Radek Bonk.

Either way, having him on a scoring line is not a way to take a step forward offensively. And he's only getting older.

As for his goal, whoopee. Typical Legwand flukey bounce goal. The next best thing to the Legwand Empty Neter.

Mediocre Talent, Mediocre player, mediocre effort, mediocre everything. Unfortunately he does define Predator hockey in some regards.


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As for his goal, whoopee. Typical Legwand flukey bounce goal. The next best thing to the Legwand Empty Neter.
When Legwand doesn't score he's mediocre with a nonchalant attitude.

When Legwand does score there's always an extenuating circumstance.

You can't have it both ways.




If he really had such a lackadaisical attitude he would have skated right past Crawford and that uncovered puck. Instead he poked at it and got that flukey goal that got us back in the game. The one that, during his intermission interview, coach Horacek said was exactly what we would need to get us some confidence and right back in the game.




You don't have to like every player on the team and not one person is saying he doesn't have his flaws, but just because one person asked a harmless question about Legwand, doesn't mean you have to run in here and make sure that everyone knows just how much you can't stand him. All this was was a simple question about why the guy that was our first draft pick and been here the longest doesn't wear a letter. Nine posts later and it turned into how much of a horrible person he is. I don't know if you've noticed, but you're not the only person in here that doesn't like him or want him traded, but yet you're the only person that others take issue. You can call it "propaganda" all you want, but no one is bullying anyone. No one is saying you have to like him at all, we're just tired of hearing the same crap about him from you every single time.

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Hmmmm, and the reason he gets empty netters is because it's a close game and Trotz, the coach, trusts him on the ice to get it done defensively. That's why he gets empty netters, protecting a lead for his team.

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65 career games against the Blackhawks, 57 points - pretty good for a guy who's best is mediocre 2 of 14 seasons.

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You can call it "propaganda" all you want, but no one is bullying anyone. No one is saying you have to like him at all
Actually, the only reason I got involved is more Legwand progroganda was being spewed around. "He's turned down a letter on numerous occasions".

Beyond manufacturing things like the above, it amazes me that people still see Legwand is a good scoringline center option. Really he doesn't belong there in a world in which we have some semblance of an offense.

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Actually, the only reason I got involved is more Legwand progroganda was being spewed around. "He's turned down a letter on numerous occasions".
Quite so. How dare anyone ever say anything positive or constructive about Legwand. Harrumph, harrumph!

Such assertions are just as ephemeral and unsupported as your accusations, hon.

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Quite so. How dare anyone ever say anything positive or constructive about Legwand. Harrumph, harrumph!

Such assertions are just as ephemeral and unsupported as your accusations, hon.
Find a link where it says he's turned down on a letter "on multiple occasions". Until then, it's more Legwand propaganda.

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Find a link where it says he's turned down on a letter "on multiple occasions". Until then, it's more Legwand propaganda.
May have been said by Trotz in a radio interview. But I would stake my life on it. I know it is 100% for a fact what I have read and/or heard through reputable media. Whether you want to believe it or not doesn't really matter.

And that fact still doesn't change the legitimacy of Legwand as a good option for a #2C and eventually transitioning to a #3C as his career winds down. Legwand is not the primary problem on this team, nor is he really a problem at all, his role is pretty well set and he plays it fine. It's the #1C spot that needs attention, Mike Fisher isn't the answer to that yet he doesn't take nearly the flak that Legwand does.

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May have been said by Trotz in a radio interview. But I would stake my life on it. I know it is 100% for a fact what I have read and/or heard through reputable media. Whether you want to believe it or not doesn't really matter.
So you don't have a link. Thanks. I have it on very good word that he's never been considered for a permeant letter, and not because he's "shy". I know the Legwand surrogate mother club won't believe it, but I don't really care. The only proof we have is that he doesn't have a letter. Greg Johnson was "shy" too.

As for Legwand being a good #2C, as always, we'll have to agree to disagree. And it is a major problem that we are playing guys him like him in permanent scoring line roles.

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Dulzs has been consistent with his Legwand bashing.

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Dulzs has been consistent with his Legwand bashing.
Actually in his contract year, I was quick to praise him that he was playing with a lot more passion-- going into dirty areas even though often times he wound up on his ***. But then his contract came he turned into a perimeter player again. He took games off; he coasted with more frequency. That's the thing that bugs me with him, and certainly not a leadership quality.

Also, in the playoffs when he decides to play with passion again, he is much more effective. And I've been quick to point that out.

In terms of limited offensive abilities, can't really blame him for that. That's more a Poile problem-- he's been complacent to give Legwand (and others) all this scoringline time with mediocre results. He's sat back and done virtually nothing to improve the team's offensive ability. And ultimately, it's why Suter and Weber wanted out.

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Actually, the only reason I got involved is more Legwand progroganda was being spewed around. "He's turned down a letter on numerous occasions".

Beyond manufacturing things like the above, it amazes me that people still see Legwand is a good scoringline center option. Really he doesn't belong there in a world in which we have some semblance of an offense.
The only reason you got involved in a discussion about why Legwand has never wore a letter is because you saw what you considered to be propaganda? Well, I think I see where the problem lies now. You're not in this thread for the discussion, but for the battle.

Though I don't think you really needed to admit to it for it to have been obvious.

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Dulzs has been consistent with his Legwand bashing.
That's all fine and well, but this isn't a "Bash Legwand" thread. There is an actual question being asked, and discussion can be had.

We don't have to like Legwand or have a favorable theory about why he has never had a letter in order to constructively participate, but hijacking the thread to have the same ol' conversation we've been having for... oh I don't know... over a decade now? That isn't going to fly.

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FWIW, this was said by Legwand regarding how he hasn't had a permanent letter even though he has been here longer than anyone.

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Others who played fewer games in a Nashville jersey have endearingly been referred to as “Mr. Predator” by fans.

Legwand said he thinks about those things at times but they don’t gnaw at him.

“If something needs to be said in the room,” he said, “I think you can shut the doors and say something.”

Said Trotz: “Who gets a letter is the guys who drive the team, the guys who drive the group. It doesn’t have to be the best player or the player who has been here the longest. It’s the player you feel can help drive the team.”
http://www.tennessean.com/article/20...ill-determined

Doesn't seem like he is overly eager to have a letter, and doesn't need one to lead in the locker room anyway.

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FWIW, this was said by Legwand regarding how he hasn't had a permanent letter even though he has been here longer than anyone.



http://www.tennessean.com/article/20...ill-determined

Doesn't seem like he is overly eager to have a letter, and doesn't need one to lead in the locker room anyway.
And obviously Trotz isn't eager to give him one. He gave it to Fisher instead who'd be here 30 games or so.

But thank you for clearing up the "Legwand has turned down a letter numerous times" comment. That's the only reason for me to get involved. I don't like mis-information, and it relates to this thread.

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Oh I didn't clear it up. I just don't have time to dig any further than that. I remember hearing he had declined a permanent letter before, too. The context has escaped me, though.

I would say Legwand's attitude is he will wear one if it helps the team, but he doesn't necessarily think having a letter all season is best for him or the team. Trotz must agree; after all, one of the major characteristics that must be found in a leader is the desire to lead. If someone doesn't have that they aren't going to be effective.

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Hey, he wore a letter last night and potted a goal and an assist helping us get a point. 'Nuff said.

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Hey, he wore a letter last night and potted a goal and an assist helping us get a point. 'Nuff said.
If looking at one game is enough for you, OK.

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Oh I didn't clear it up. I just don't have time to dig any further than that.
I'd say that Legwand saying he thinks about not having a letter at times, but it doesn't gnaw at him is a pretty good indication that he has not "turned down a letter multiple times".

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