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04-01-2013, 09:56 PM
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I mean I looked at his stats and they do not look really impressive. Then again I don't watch him play but I mean 10 pts 30 games from someone who is suppose to be a top 6 PWF seems like a bit of a let down.
Well the thing is, he had like 2 points in his first 18 games or so playing on the 4th line with guys like Belanger. He got moved up to Gagner's line as a reward for his fantastic defensive play this season and suddenly he's shown some offensive spark. Paajarvi will likely never be the ppg player people were expecting after his post-draft year, but with some more development, he can realistically put up 15-20 goals/40-50 points as a second liner, maybe even 60-70 points in a good year if he has to spot for an injury in the top line.

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Edmonton and Philly make bad trading partners. Both need D more than anything.
Agreed, although the Oilers could use some size up front (obviously we're not getting a guy like Simmonds unless we give up something nice of our own) and Philly could use some goaltending (Khabi is still a solid backup who can steal a game once in a while unlike Boucher/Leighton).

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04-01-2013, 10:25 PM
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As a Flyer fan, the original proposal is not bad as I really like Yaks but we badly need a young stud d man.....and I doubt you guys are going to be giving up Schultz.

Both teams have lots of nice young talent but I do not think we make great trading partners.....I think if the Flyers trade with anyone, it will be a team like the Coyotes!

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04-01-2013, 10:42 PM
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Value goes something like this

Yak
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Paajarvi

Why do we do this?
More like this

Yakupov






Simmonds

Coutourier


Pajaarvi

I'd give Yak and a 2nd. No to Pajaarvi.

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04-01-2013, 10:43 PM
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Yakupov will probably end up being the best player of the group, but I'd rather have the Flyers pair.
This.

I wouldn't trade Yakupov for Simmonds or Couterier alone, but together I would, even though MPS is playing MUCH better this year. Really happy with his play.

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04-01-2013, 10:55 PM
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More like this

Yakupov






Simmonds

Coutourier


Pajaarvi

I'd give Yak and a 2nd. No to Pajaarvi.
LOLOLOLOLOL.

I would say its more like

Yak

Simmonds/Couts








MPS.


That trade would be brutal for Philly, add a 2nd and its pretty even IMO.

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04-01-2013, 11:13 PM
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LOLOLOLOLOL.

I would say its more like

Yak

Simmonds/Couts








MPS.


That trade would be brutal for Philly, add a 2nd and its pretty even IMO.
You`re really underrating Pajaarvi.

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04-01-2013, 11:21 PM
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To Edmonton:
Couturier
Simmonds

To Philly:
Yakupov
Paajarvi

Give or take a couple picks.
Thoughts?
I say good deal for the Flyers. I take it.

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04-02-2013, 12:18 AM
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I mean I looked at his stats and they do not look really impressive. Then again I don't watch him play but I mean 10 pts 30 games from someone who is suppose to be a top 6 PWF seems like a bit of a let down.
And I suppose that Couturier's 2-7-9 in 33 games is a lot better than Paajarvi's 7-3-10 in 30? And don't try and tell me Couturier is better defensively

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04-02-2013, 12:19 AM
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You`re really underrating Pajaarvi.
You are really under rating Simmonds who is currently scoring better than Hemsky, RNH, Yak, etc.

He is probably playing at MPS upside.

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04-02-2013, 12:32 AM
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And I suppose that Couturier's 2-7-9 in 33 games is a lot better than Paajarvi's 7-3-10 in 30? And don't try and tell me Couturier is better defensively
LOL.

Couturier has the 15th lowest offensive zone start % out of all NHL forwards with at least 20 games played (33%).

All while playing some of the toughest minutes on the team (will probably be the toughest now that Talbot is out).

And yes, Couturier is better defensively. It's not even close.

tl;dr

Couturier >>>>>>>>> MPS

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04-02-2013, 12:37 AM
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LOL.



Couturier >>>>>>>>> MPS
seems legit. Have you even seen Paajarvi play? Honestly 95% of eastern fans don't even watch western conference games, let alone Oilers games, so ofcourse your going to get crap like this.

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04-02-2013, 12:38 AM
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OG deal is pretty even... But neither team does it IMO. Both teams need D and would be trading one of both of their respective best young chips that could be used to get a good young defenseman. Doesn't make sense for either side.

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LOL.

Couturier has the 15th lowest offensive zone start % out of all NHL forwards with at least 20 games played (33%).


All while playing some of the toughest minutes on the team (will probably be the toughest now that Talbot is out).

And yes, Couturier is better defensively. It's not even close.

tl;dr

Couturier >>>>>>>>> MPS
With his offensive stats can see why , Reason why he dropped so fast in draft and he was not drafted as a defensive player and this season he has regressed from that as well. Big no from Oilers would rather have fast powerforward in PRV than slow footed center who is ok on defensive but useless on offence

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04-02-2013, 01:39 AM
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I would not trade Yakupov for Couturier.

I would not trade Pääjärvi for Simmonds.

So... no from Oilers.

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04-02-2013, 01:42 AM
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i like the 'idea' of this trade, giving edmonton more of the types of players they need but still keeping to the young rebuilding core idea.

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04-02-2013, 05:58 AM
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Never. Brutal, horrible trade for Flyers. I don't really want moody russian player, without defense like Yakupov and Paajarvi who's I think nothing more than 3rd liner. This would be horrible for Flyers. The price for both Simmonds and Couturier is so high as you probably can't even imagine.

Sean Couturier is more talented and more effective for the team than Yakupov ever will be, face it.

Wayne Simmonds is excellent young, gritty, power forward for 2nd line and power play. He's also talented with good hands. I exactly know why Edmonton fans wants him but he is not going moved. He will stay in Philly.

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04-02-2013, 06:02 AM
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Is it possible thats Yakupov, Couturier, Simmonds, and PRV are all being underrated in this thread?

Value is probably close, but it isn't a deal that the flyers would likely be interested in. It seems to fit the oilers needs, but to philly's

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Never. Brutal, horrible trade for Flyers. I don't really want moody russian player, without defense like Yakupov and Paajarvi who's I think nothing more than 3rd liner. This would be horrible for Flyers. The price for both Simmonds and Couturier is so high as you probably can't even imagine.

Sean Couturier is more talented and more effective for the team than Yakupov ever will be, face it.

Wayne Simmonds is excellent young, gritty, power forward for 2nd line and power play. He's also talented with good hands. I exactly know why Edmonton fans wants him but he is not going moved. He will stay in Philly.
More talented? Have you ever even watched Yakupov or Paajarvi play?

Paajarvi has made major improvements after a slow start and is finally using his speed and size to drive the net. That being said simmonds holds more value as Paajarvi's offense is still a question mark.

However, to say Couturier is more skilled and will be more effective than Yakupov will ever be is laughable. Yaks already put up much better rookie numbers and is much more likely to become an offensive superstar than Couturier. Not to say Couturier won't be a solid 60+point guy with a great defensive game but he doesn't have the offensive upside that Yakupov does.

Would say no to this deal from an Oiler perspective because you don't give up on first overall picks with stamkos like potential (no I'm not saying he will ever reach stamkos level, but its entirely possible that he will be a ppg 40 goal scorer someday).

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More talented? Have you ever even watched Yakupov or Paajarvi play?

Paajarvi has made major improvements after a slow start and is finally using his speed and size to drive the net. That being said simmonds holds more value as Paajarvi's offense is still a question mark.

However, to say Couturier is more skilled and will be more effective than Yakupov will ever be is laughable. Yaks already put up much better rookie numbers and is much more likely to become an offensive superstar than Couturier. Not to say Couturier won't be a solid 60+point guy with a great defensive game but he doesn't have the offensive upside that Yakupov does.

Would say no to this deal from an Oiler perspective because you don't give up on first overall picks with stamkos like potential (no I'm not saying he will ever reach stamkos level, but its entirely possible that he will be a ppg 40 goal scorer someday).
I said more talented not more skilled that's are two different things for me. Yakupov is very skilled player but Couturier is more talented and with his defensive play will be more effective for every team than Yakupov. Honestly, I think Yakupov won't become a superstar caliber player in Edmonton and he is not close to Stamkos potential. He is better offensive player than Couturier no doubt here but in overall Couturier is just better than him.

And it is just like that: Simmonds >>> Paajarvi.

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Never. Brutal, horrible trade for Flyers. I don't really want moody russian player, without defense like Yakupov and Paajarvi who's I think nothing more than 3rd liner. This would be horrible for Flyers. The price for both Simmonds and Couturier is so high as you probably can't even imagine.

Sean Couturier is more talented and more effective for the team than Yakupov ever will be, face it.

Wayne Simmonds is excellent young, gritty, power forward for 2nd line and power play. He's also talented with good hands. I exactly know why Edmonton fans wants him but he is not going moved. He will stay in Philly.
Couturier more talented than Yakupov? Whatever makes you feel better.

You don't have to worry about this trade, Oilers will not do it.

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Couturier more talented than Yakupov? Whatever makes you feel better.

You don't have to worry about this trade, Oilers will not do it.
Why should I be worry about random proposal by a fan? This is not any kind of rumours or speculation by reporters so whatever. To be honest, Oilers would be dumb to not do this. It is more like Flyers would never do this.

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Why should I be worry about random proposal by a fan? This is not any kind of rumours or speculation by reporters so whatever. To be honest, Oilers would be dumb to not do this. It is more like Flyers would never do this.
To be honest, Oilers would be dumb to take that kind of an offer. I am so happy that there will not be such a trade.

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No way Philly does this

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LOLOLOLOLOL.

I would say its more like

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MPS.


That trade would be brutal for Philly, add a 2nd and its pretty even IMO.
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Never. Brutal, horrible trade for Flyers. I don't really want moody russian player, without defense like Yakupov and Paajarvi who's I think nothing more than 3rd liner. This would be horrible for Flyers. The price for both Simmonds and Couturier is so high as you probably can't even imagine.

Sean Couturier is more talented and more effective for the team than Yakupov ever will be, face it.

Wayne Simmonds is excellent young, gritty, power forward for 2nd line and power play. He's also talented with good hands. I exactly know why Edmonton fans wants him but he is not going moved. He will stay in Philly.
Him and his whopping 9 points? Face it, he will never be the offensive juggernaut like you guys hyped him up to be last year

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