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04-02-2013, 07:33 AM
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to DET: Couturier

to PHI: Smith +

i know detroit needs to add here, but how much? is it emmerton or nyquist/tatar? only posting because of rumours that couturier is on the block. i'd never want my team to trade him ...

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04-02-2013, 07:46 AM
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to DET: Couturier

to PHI: Smith +

i know detroit needs to add here, but how much? is it emmerton or nyquist/tatar? only posting because of rumours that couturier is on the block. i'd never want my team to trade him ...
Coots is only 20 years old, I am only trading him for a top pairing defender.

Although Homer is GM so I am expecting to trade him for Ryan Clowe here shortly.

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Lol no, Couturier is not going to be moved for Clowe so calm down about this.

About proposal: Maybe Petr Mrazek could be that +?

But I'd trade Couturier only for a stud and proven defenseman (or for Bobby Ryan ) who will be ready to become top 1st in Philly now (e.g. Kevin Shattenkirk) and although Smith is very talented he isn't that type of guy right now.

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04-02-2013, 08:36 AM
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Lol no, Couturier is not going to be moved for Clowe so calm down about this.

About proposal: Maybe Petr Mrazek could be that +?

But I'd trade Couturier only for a stud and proven defenseman (or for Bobby Ryan ) who will be ready to become top 1st in Philly now (e.g. Kevin Shattenkirk) and although Smith is very talented he isn't that type of guy right now.
This is the first time Mrazek has been brought up in a proposal where I thought about and actually said to myself "I'd be okay with this deal". I think this kind of deal (Smith+Mrazek) for Coutourier would address needs for both teams. We lack center depth, you guys need help on the blueline and add a blue chip goalie prospect. I'd be willing to go as far as throwing in Tatar+2nd for Briere as well?

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This is the first time Mrazek has been brought up in a proposal where I thought about and actually said to myself "I'd be okay with this deal". I think this kind of deal (Smith+Mrazek) for Coutourier would address needs for both teams. We lack center depth, you guys need help on the blueline and add a blue chip goalie prospect. I'd be willing to go as far as throwing in Tatar+2nd for Briere as well?
Tatar + 2nd for Briere? I would take it and run. But forget about Briere because he has concussion and is done for rest of the season.

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04-02-2013, 09:13 AM
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This is the first time Mrazek has been brought up in a proposal where I thought about and actually said to myself "I'd be okay with this deal". I think this kind of deal (Smith+Mrazek) for Coutourier would address needs for both teams. We lack center depth, you guys need help on the blueline and add a blue chip goalie prospect. I'd be willing to go as far as throwing in Tatar+2nd for Briere as well?
We lack top line center Depth. We have Z, Dats, Helm, Emmerton, Andersson, Sheahan, Jarnkrok, Ferraro.

I dont know much about Couturier, is he projected to be a 1C or 2C?

Would Smith+Nyquist/Tatar get it done? or add a 2nd Rd pick?

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04-02-2013, 09:17 AM
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It's amazing how overrated Couts is in Philly.

No team should bother trying to acquire him unless they are prepared to overpay...drastically

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NO for detroit

detroit needs
- a top under 30 pairing dman
- a top 4 forward also under 30

if neither can be accomplished then KH is 100% better off just hoarding picks and prospects

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It's amazing how overrated Couts is in Philly.

No team should bother trying to acquire him unless they are prepared to overpay...drastically
I am not sure what you are trying to say, but I think most Flyers fans see him as a 2C with 1b-type ceiling, so Patrice Bergeron like.

That isn't a absurd projection. Why should they trade him based on a significantly lower projection when he is only 20?

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04-02-2013, 09:26 AM
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NO for detroit

detroit needs
- a top under 30 pairing dman
- a top 4 forward also under 30

if neither can be accomplished then KH is 100% better off just hoarding picks and prospects
Couturier will be that in short order. I'd deal Smith+ in a heartbeat for him.

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04-02-2013, 09:50 AM
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NO for detroit

detroit needs
- a top under 30 pairing dman
- a top 4 forward also under 30

if neither can be accomplished then KH is 100% better off just hoarding picks and prospects
With Datsyuk and Z, age he seems to be a good successor for them. Then Jarnkrok and Sheahan C1/2 and C/3. You could move Z to the wing.

Franzen, Datsyuk, Flip or preferably FA Signing that can score
Z, Couturier Brunner
Tatar, Helm, Andersson
Abs, Emmerton, Miller/Tootoo

Sammy, Cleary, Eaves, Bert all out after this. Nyquist probably traded

Kronner - New Aquisiton
Kindl - Ericsson
Dekeyser - Cola/Lashoff/Quincey

White not resigned and Smith sent for Couturier


Good amount of youth and still have young guys coming up in Jarnkrok, Sheahan, Jurco, Oullet, Sproul.

I would still prefer a RH shooting goal scorer with some size though.

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Couturier will be that in short order. I'd deal Smith+ in a heartbeat for him.
i think SC is pretty solid and very well could be an even better NHL player I just dont think detroit needs to be trading for a guy like him as oppossed to an established NHL star

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04-02-2013, 09:54 AM
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We lack top line center Depth. We have Z, Dats, Helm, Emmerton, Andersson, Sheahan, Jarnkrok, Ferraro.

I dont know much about Couturier, is he projected to be a 1C or 2C?

Would Smith+Nyquist/Tatar get it done? or add a 2nd Rd pick?
All bolded C's have absolutely nothing on Coutourier. I'm very high on Jarnkrok, but Coutourier is an NHL center.

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04-02-2013, 09:56 AM
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All bolded C's have absolutely nothing on Coutourier. I'm very high on Jarnkrok, but Coutourier is an NHL center.
Fair enough and I'd be willing to trade for him just want to make sure what we are getting. Coutourier, Jarnkrok, Sheahan, Helm, Ferraro could be great center depth if we can put some goal scorers on the wing.

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What is smith's ceiling, realistically?

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04-02-2013, 10:11 AM
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Lol no, Couturier is not going to be moved for Clowe so calm down about this.

About proposal: Maybe Petr Mrazek could be that +?

But I'd trade Couturier only for a stud and proven defenseman (or for Bobby Ryan ) who will be ready to become top 1st in Philly now (e.g. Kevin Shattenkirk) and although Smith is very talented he isn't that type of guy right now.
No way Detroit's giving up Smith and Mrazek for Couturier.

Smith and something small might be fair value, but Smith and Mrazek is massive overpayment when you take the potential of all three parties involved.

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Couturier will be that in short order. I'd deal Smith+ in a heartbeat for him.
Why would the Wings want to deal Smith? Are their prospects on D that good? He seems like a pretty talented player, but I haven't really seen him play.

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Why would the Wings want to deal Smith? Are their prospects on D that good? He seems like a pretty talented player, but I haven't really seen him play.
Quite a few guys with high end potential, but none of them are NHL-Ready.

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What is smith's ceiling, realistically?
I've always though he'd be a bit of a meaner Kronwall. He's got Elite skating, physical play, good offensive instincts, a good shot and I'd say below average defensive play. I think his floor is a very good #4 (does that make him a #3 ), but if he could learn the defensive side of the to the point that it becomes slightly above average, even average he could be a #2 or if everything works out he could be a #1 dman in the 15-25 spot overall.

Philly like Detroit had an aging core, except it was on the backend rather then forward, we also have a need for another top pairing dman. I'd have a hard time adding another big piece but I would be okay with it. Couturier is also having a very rough year so maybe a trade helps jump start them.

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Brendan smith in all honesty has not lived up to the hype that DRW fan's have been giving him for so many years.

I think Couturier will only be available for a clear cut 1st pairing dman.

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Brendan smith in all honesty has not lived up to the hype that DRW fan's have been giving him for so many years.

I think Couturier will only be available for a clear cut 1st pairing dman.
Shocker. Just over 20 games this season and he "Hasn't lived up to the hype."

You mean people were expecting it to click immediately.

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Shocker. Just over 20 games this season and he "Hasn't lived up to the hype."

You mean people were expecting it to click immediately.
Just like Jakub Kindl. He got his game going on the 3rd NHL year. Could Holmgren be that patient?

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Shocker. Just over 20 games this season and he "Hasn't lived up to the hype."

You mean people were expecting it to click immediately.
Couturier is 4 years younger... Smith would either have to be a much better player now, or have higher potential. I am not sure he's the right fit.

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to DET: Couturier

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i know detroit needs to add here, but how much? is it emmerton or nyquist/tatar? only posting because of rumours that couturier is on the block. i'd never want my team to trade him ...
Anyone who watched Detroit lately would know Brendan Smith is not in Couturier's league value-wise. As far as the other pieces you mention - they haven't exactly proven themselves much at the NHL level, which Couturier has so far. Right now Detroit's newer roster players look a lot like the NY Islanders in 1987, minus Lafontaine and Flatley. I don't see a lot of good things ahead for Detroit the next few years.

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Anyone who watched Detroit lately would know Brendan Smith is not in Couturier's league value-wise. As far as the other pieces you mention - they haven't exactly proven themselves much at the NHL level, which Couturier has so far. Right now Detroit's newer roster players look a lot like the NY Islanders in 1987, minus Lafontaine and Flatley. I don't see a lot of good things ahead for Detroit the next few years.
Alright buddy. Obviously Couturier > Smith right now, I love Couturier but the whole future comment is pretty off-base.

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