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[VAN/DAL] Canucks acquire C Derek Roy for D Kevin Connauton, 2nd Round Draft Pick

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Sedin-Sedin-Burrows
Kassian-Kesler-Roy
Hansen-Schroeder-Raymond

Is a good top 9.

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This is such a steal that not one of the other 28 GMs thought to offer a 2nd and a prospect better than KCon....come on.

The reason we got him cheap is because nobody - not even his current team - thought he was worth even that much.

Anyway, I've said my piece, nothing to add until three months from now when people will be complaining up a storm about him.

 
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All the big trades being made the day before the deadline is going to make for a woeful "special" day for TSN and Sportsnet tomorrow.

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How is this a hockey trade Mr. Gillis? Not that I'm against the trade, but I can't see this being more than a pure rental situation.
Dump Booth, re-sign Roy. I doubt this is a rental.

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Oh, I see. So we're giving away picks for aging players who are showing signs of being over the hill, but we think we can resurrect their careers.
Derek Roy is 29 and right in his prime. Small players are notorious for having long careers and Roy has been a durable guy throughout his career.

No signs whatsoever of being 'over the hill'. You don't know who this player is...

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Roy is a 2nd line playmaking center.
He isn't a mediocre bottom 6 player. Considering what other players have been traded for recently, it's a good price.
Roy = Smolinski

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This is such a steal that not one of the other 28 GMs thought to offer a 2nd and a prospect better than KCon....come on.
Repeat, Regehr got two 2nd round picks. A package greater than what the Canucks gave up.

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Yeah, and Gaustad is barely that.



I could definitely see the team dump Booth in order to keep Roy. They have some depth on the wings in their prospects but nothing beyond Schroeder on the immediate horizon.
Definitely makes more sense to spend that money down the middle.

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I don't see how this is a great trade. We're again giving away 2nds for marginally productive players. This is a classic Nonis type trade that he ended up getting roasted for.
He is a pretty solid upgrade on Schroeder - almost as fast but outside of one year on an awful Sabres team, he was a PPG player. If w resign him, then it works out pretty nicely for us.

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I would guess that the odds of a 2nd round pick returning a player as good as Roy are probably as low as 5%?
That's absolutely right, Proto. I completely agree. And, you're a smart guy, I can see that from your postings.

Smart enough to ask..."with a pedigree like that, why so cheap?"

 
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I can't believe how any canuck fan can be unhappy about this deal.

Even if its a pure rental.

I mean, how many times did I see a proposal of a 2nd for Marcel Goc?

2nd/Connauton for Roy is a steal.

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Smart enough to ask..."with a pedigree like that, why so cheap?"
Because Joe Nieuwendyk is one of the worst traders in the league (and GMs too), that's why. This is a guy that gave up Neal + Niskanen for Goligoski.

He probably thinks Connauton is a great prospect just like he thought Goligoski was a future star PMD.

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Definitely makes more sense to spend that money down the middle.
Who are they going to pass to?

Higgins? Hansen?

Sorry, you take these guys who get 70 points playing with star 1st line players and put them with tweeners, you get 50 point guys.

This guy wants $6m/yr.

That is ludicrous.

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Maybe Dallas is really high on Connauton?

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Because Joe Nieuwendyk is one of the worst traders in the league (and GMs too), that's why. This is a guy that gave up Neal + Niskanen for Goligoski.
But you have to ask yourself "why would he be willing to trade Neal..."

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Excellent trade for Vancouver, exactly what I was hoping for (an offensive C rather than a defensive type). Can't complain about the price either, given what Roy can bring to this team. Connauton wasn't tracking well and the 2nd is acceptable to give up, esp. if we can resign him in the summer. I'm the furthest thing from a Gillis fanboy - IMO his trading has been mediocre at best - but I'll give the man credit for this pickup. It may not pan out - no trade is a guarantee - but a) it is exactly what this team needs right now b) he's young enough to retain for the future, and c) you really can't argue about the price.

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5% is probably generous.
Yeah, I'm not sure. I'd say there's probably 1-2 guys drafted in the 2nd each year that end up being really good players, but that's just me spitballing off the top of my head. Sounds about right though.

I know it's about 25% for a guy who plays 200-400 games.

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I can't believe how any canuck fan can be unhappy about this deal.

Even if its a pure rental.

I mean, how many times did I see a proposal of a 2nd for Marcel Goc?

2nd/Connauton for Roy is a steal.
I'm unhappy they are going for it.

Not unhappy at the acquisition cost, but disappointed we're renting players.

Hoping we can find another 2nd somehow.

Also sick of watching our entire roster turn away from hits, and this move does nothing to change that.


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At least shows Gillis' draft picks are starting to have value. 2009 picks are starting to help the big club.

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But you have to ask yourself "why would he be willing to trade Neal..."
Neal is a scrub, heard he did nothing after leaving Dallas


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Because Joe Nieuwendyk is one of the worst traders in the league (and GMs too), that's why.
Sorry, that doesn't explain it. Everybody knew Roy was available. Joe doesn't have to be a good trader, he only needs to be smart enough to answer a phone and be able to compare (eg) two 2nds vs one 2nd.

Your explanation effectively requires every GM in the league (other than Gillis) to be a moron.

I don't care what the game or business is - I am *always* suspicious of any deal that seems too good to be true. And I agree with most of you - based on pedigree etc Roy "should be" a valuable acquisition. So I have to ask myself...what do I not know that caused this guy to go for so cheap?

I would actually be happier if we had to pay as high as a 1st for him, because then I at least know others also saw he had value.

But only a 2nd? That's worrisome.

 
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That's absolutely right, Proto. I completely agree. And, you're a smart guy, I can see that from your postings.

Smart enough to ask..."with a pedigree like that, why so cheap?"
Because NHL GM's overvalue size and Roy isn't that big. They're probably also concerned about his recent surgeries. But those are really the kind of things that GM's tend to overvalue when making trades, so I think this is an absolute steal.

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Sorry, that doesn't explain it. Everybody knew Roy was available. Joe doesn't have to be a good trader, he only needs to be smart enough to answer a phone and be able to compare (eg) two 2nds vs one 2nd.

Your explanation effectively requires every GM in the league (other than Gillis) to be a moron.
No, it just requires Joe to think that Connauton is a great prospect. Having watched Stars a decent amount this year (including recently against the Kings), Roy was the guy that made his line go.

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Who are they going to pass to?

Higgins? Hansen?

Sorry, you take these guys who get 70 points playing with star 1st line players and put them with tweeners, you get 50 point guys.

This guy wants $6m/yr.

That is ludicrous.
Playing with Roy would make Hansen and Higgins llegit threats offensively, if the aren't already.

Paying Roy 5m+ to play 3rd line centre offers more value than paying Ballard 4.2m to play on the 3rd pair or Booth 4m+ to grind it out on the wall.

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