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04-02-2013, 03:09 PM
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It's great that you went to game. I saw the game on TV. Yeah, I know people say "oh it's easier to follow the play when you're there live", but I see plenty of things just fine on TV, especially with DVR. Boyle is playing a lot better as of late. He made two blunders in the first period last night, but was better the rest of the way. He's forechecking and getting into the play unlike in the beginning of the year, where he was a complete passenger.

I'd prefer Boyle as my 4th line C - but, in a third line role, with good players, it's not the end of the world. Boyle has been playing with a multitude of random bodies switching in and out of the lineup, unlike last year, where he was pretty much with Prust/Fedotenko/Dubinsky the entire season. Clowe/Hagelin is an upgrade on all 3 of those players.

Regarding Nystrom - he's an upgrade to the bottom-6 that shouldn't cost much. He's tough and can provide a spark offensively. Prust-lite. I would love to acquire him. Especially if it meant dumping Bland Pyatt.
Personally, I think it's easier to watch a game on TV. I had season tickets growing up (for about 15 years) so I've been to upwards of like 500 NHL games. There's nothing like being at a game, but you catch a lot more on TV.

As for the fans at the game, the majority of them are either A) morons or B) drunk off their *****. So i'm going to ignore the scouting report Bardof heard from "a bunch of guys in his section," and stick to my evaluation of a player based on following hockey since i've been born.

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so....jeff halpern
More sandpaper but not as good in the dot.

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The thing I can not stress enough is that if the Rangers are serious about getting harder to play against, they can't just get Clowe. They need to revamp the way they play. One player will help but he will need help.
Get Torres and Glencross as well! I have Glencross will cost too much.

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so....jeff halpern
Jeff Halpern is so much more. Did you know he's currently on a scoring streak?

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More sandpaper but not as good in the dot.
who would you compare him to sandpaper wise. not gonna lie, never even noticed this guy in the games i've seen him play.

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Who would they be ahead of? Hagelin is ahead of them right now. And I think you have Zucc ahead of them also just because of who he plays with.

Hagelin-Stepan-Nash
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For this season, I agree. I meant moving forward after this year. I don't think Gaborik will be around.

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Because most of the teams getting better are real contenders getting rentals and we're not even close to being a few rentals away from a cup. I'd rather hold on to the picks and prospects.
The dumb trades are the ones for pure rentals. If you trade for a guy who you feel will be around for a while, what is the difference between trading for him now or in the off-season? Glencross would be like that. Clowe wants an extension. Similar idea.

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I highly doubt Boyle is getting traded. Yea he's struggling to put up numbers, but he's solid in so many other areas (PK, faceoffs, shotblocking, etc.) and he's a very key guy in the locker room. Tortorella has said all year that the losses of middle of the lineup guys like Dubinsky, Anisimov and Prust has had more of an impact on this team than he anticipated. Trading Boyle would only add to that. It would go against everything Torts has said all season. It's more likely that Sather tries to re-coup the weakening of depth by adding somebody like Clowe. And frankly, I think that's the way to go if we get a good deal (something along the lines of Christian Thomas and a 3rd). Nothing drastic. The last thing we need is more wholesale changes. It's been a weird season with lots of underperforming players. The thing is, the two main underperformers (Gaborik and Richards) are also guys who have proven in the past that they're capable of stepping up hardcore. So I say we ride what we got, hope some guys get hot (ala the Kings last year) and re-assess in the offseason.

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With the rangers on an off day and having Pittsburgh lined up for the next two games, you'd think today would be the day to make a deal. They could use gritty guys like Clowe and Glencross for the pittsburgh matchup tomorrow.

I'd trade Asham and Pyatt for roster space.

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More sandpaper but not as good in the dot.
Pretty much this.

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Get Torres and Glencross as well! I have Glencross will cost too much.
I know many people think Glencross will cost a lot but I don't. Teams are shying away from guys with years left on their deals.

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who would you compare him to sandpaper wise. not gonna lie, never even noticed this guy in the games i've seen him play.
Tyler Kennedy-ish

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who would you compare him to sandpaper wise. not gonna lie, never even noticed this guy in the games i've seen him play.
As I said in a prior post, he can be Prust-lite. Not quite as good a skater, not quite as good a passer, but he's pesky, willing to drop the gloves, is a good teammate, and is gritty. An easy upgrade on Pyatt.

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Clowe, Glencross, Ott, Torres.

Maybe Nystrom. Change the dynamic of the bottom 6. Toughness that can play.

If it doesn't happen due to price I get it. But make the calls.

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For this season, I agree. I meant moving forward after this year. I don't think Gaborik will be around.


The dumb trades are the ones for pure rentals. If you trade for a guy who you feel will be around for a while, what is the difference between trading for him now or in the off-season? Glencross would be like that. Clowe wants an extension. Similar idea.
I don't know though. I don't think Clowe is a second line player anymore. And I don't think Glencross is anymore than a 3rd line player tops. That is not a bad thing because that means you have great depth.

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Jeff Halpern is so much more. Did you know he's currently on a scoring streak?
I don't know whether it was the team as a whole, or just him, but in the games vs Montreal he seemed to move much faster and playing with much more heart than any time he was with the Rangers.

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With the rangers on an off day and having Pittsburgh lined up for the next two games, you'd think today would be the day to make a deal. They could use gritty guys like Clowe and Glencross for the pittsburgh matchup tomorrow.

I'd trade Asham and Pyatt for roster space.
They need gritty guys for more than just Pittsburgh.

I would also hang on to Asham. Good 4th line guy but he can't do it all himself.

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so....jeff halpern
Who scored MTL's game winning goal last night, btw. Jus' sayin'.

But no, not Jeff Halpern. Nystrom uses his body, is gritty, and willing to fight. Closer to Prust.

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I don't believe the Rangers are looking at both Clowe + extension AND Glencross, it's one or the other.

As to defensive depth available. I would like to get McBain or Savard. McBain has NHL experience but Savard with the better skillset.

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Clowe, Glencross, Ott, Torres.

Maybe Nystrom. Change the dynamic of the bottom 6. Toughness that can play.

If it doesn't happen due to price I get it. But make the calls.
Exactly. They have been too easy to play against this year.

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I don't know though. I don't think Clowe is a second line player anymore. And I don't think Glencross is anymore than a 3rd line player tops. That is not a bad thing because that means you have great depth.
I think, when healthy, Clowe is easily a 2nd line player. Prust is a 3rd liner. Offensively, Clowe is way above Prust. Grittiness, toughness, boardwork are assets in the top-6. He doesn't need to have 60 points.

Hagelin is a great example. He is a great complimentary top-6 player.

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I don't believe the Rangers are looking at both Clowe + extension AND Glencross, it's one or the other.

As to defensive depth available. I would like to get McBain or Savard. McBain has NHL experience but Savard with the better skillset.
Getting both would make no sense and would be hell on our cap, unless Gaborik was being moved - which, at this point, is just a bad idea, IMO.

Coming out of the deadline with Clowe/Nystrom/McBain would be nice. Fill a couple of holes on the cheap.

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They need gritty guys for more than just Pittsburgh.

I would also hang on to Asham. Good 4th line guy but he can't do it all himself.
Gotta move some bodies. I have liked Asham's game. I just think he'd have more value than Powe and Pyatt.

It's probably not possible but the ideal moves would have us look like this:

Hagelin-Stepan-Nash
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Trade Pyatt
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Would love Nystrom here, hits a ton, PK's, drops em, and won't cost much. He's been solid on the PK with Fiddler all year, creates a good amount of shorthanded opportunities. If we're moving Boyle, Nystrom should be brought in for sure.

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I don't believe the Rangers are looking at both Clowe + extension AND Glencross, it's one or the other.

As to defensive depth available. I would like to get McBain or Savard. McBain has NHL experience but Savard with the better skillset.
I would be surprised if the Rangers DO NOT make more than 1 trade.

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Thanks guys. Nystrom sounds like a good 4th line option. Torts loves his vets down the stretch. Miller and Kreider won't see any ice time. Powe will see limited. Would love to add some veteran grit/effective bottom line guys at the right price.

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Glencross on the 4th line?

I don't see the point. That's NHL 13-ish. If Glencross is coming here, Clowe isn't.

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Getting both would make no sense and would be hell on our cap, unless Gaborik was being moved - which, at this point, is just a bad idea, IMO.

Coming out of the deadline with Clowe/Nystrom/McBain would be nice. Fill a couple of holes on the cheap.
I'd be very ok with that, granted none of the kids is involved.

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Pretty much this.



I know many people think Glencross will cost a lot but I don't. Teams are shying away from guys with years left on their deals.



Tyler Kennedy-ish
If he didn't cost that much I'd be game. If MZA can't stick in the line up for some reason:

Hagelin - Stepan - Nash
Gaborik - Richards - Callahan
Glencross - Miller - Clowe
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